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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2006, 12:43:14 am »
Well, I agree with you now zorbels, but I know as a fact that if I was in moons position, I would have done the same, and then some. Oh well, the sad truth.
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #76 on: October 26, 2006, 12:57:25 am »
Nice one zorb...

I don't know if you got it in the analysis... since you went so deep I'll feel free to say that you can't respond IC'ly to those tells as he didn't initiate a whisper or something in the main first.

Oh yeah... another thing... to the evil characters... they think that the good characters are evil because they spoil what the evil guys think is right to do.

Was what i had and I agree pretty much...
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2006, 02:01:06 am »
I fear my example was brief and concentrated. The actual events I have had to use this in were much longer, and there was much more ooc explaining why the behavior they were trying to impart was not realistic to the situation, and ruining other people's fun. Most of the time, someone else would warn them first that they were being disruptive to realistic 'rules' of roleplaying. Some even went with the "This guy is insane" tactic (as said by Zanz) before I did anything. I am fair to new players who don't understand how to roleplay yet, and have guided many to become better. I use the /tell responses as a gauge to what kind of player is behind the character. If they respond politely, even asking for advice, as some of them have, their mistakes are glazed over. If the response is rude, then I know I am dealing with a troll. No mercy, no quarter. It is a waste of my time to try to incorperated their 'roleplaying' into mine. It has nothing to do with having a 'bad day'. If I am having a bad day, I don't go ingame. Nor do I allow someone who is not interested in adding to other's fun in any way make my day go bad.

Look at it this way, if it had been real. In less than five minutes, Boon would have had the entire tavern in an uproar, both IC and OOC. Cue the lame fight scene.... You have all seen it happen before. Even ignoring him would not have worked, because not everyone would have been able to hold their tongue to him. One person responding to continued, rude, and poor RP validates it, and drags in all other players.

There is an actual event this is loosely based on in the tavern (but not anything like what I wrote). The player was beginning to upset other players as well as their characters. Any /tells where met rudely, as we did not have the power to stop him. No power? I used this 'little  boy' tactic, and the players shifted from starting to be pissed off, to being amused. The characters settled down as they saw it was just a boy shoing off to his elders. That is a positive in my book. Not only that, the offending player DID settle down and sat there for a while just listening to others as they continued to play their characters. The entire time, I gave him pointers on how to RP if he wanted to put down his wooden swords. He then started taking part in the RP. Was his character still rude? Of course. But it was now being played in a manner that did not upset other players, even if it did upset their characters.

Just as in real life, some people can be guided, while others need to be stomped. That is life. Roleplaying is virtual life.

Now that I have stated my side, please tell me how it would have been 'best' to deal with my fictional situation. Remember, thought, that the player in question is not one of those that likes to listen to reason, and -likes- to get other players upset. AKA: troll.

If a few trolls have to be smacked down for the greater good, so be it. I am here to roleplay and serve, not to baby-sit ‘n00bs’ (not to be confused with ‘newbies‘, who I welcome with open arms).

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2006, 02:25:54 am »
Ah, yes. One thing I think we're forgetting here is that, in my understanding, this is an example, not an exact log of what took place. Perhaps when reading it, it would be wise to take into account what we know of Moon and use that to judge what really might have taken place. There seems to be a bad habit lately of taking everything that's posted in these forums at face value, without actually trying to understand what the person is saying, just picking at the words. I'm not saying Zorbels is trying to do this, but it's something I've been noticing.
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2006, 02:35:03 am »
Just to pick on Zorbels a bit, what about that time I walked into the tavern and I was expected to believe that the entire second floor had been destroyed?
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2006, 02:37:22 am »
Just to pick on Zorbels a bit, what about that time I walked into the tavern and I was expected to believe that the entire second floor had been destroyed?
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2006, 02:56:15 am »
Didn't you hear phinehas? Panzerfausts and tanks were implemented a while ago. So naturaly, the yliakum liberation front, and the hydlaa socialist party had a huge war over the tavern. Very bloody. Shoulda been there.
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2006, 02:59:46 am »
And nobody told me? I feel so left out!

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2006, 03:34:27 am »
Just to pick on Zorbels a bit, what about that time I walked into the tavern and I was expected to believe that the entire second floor had been destroyed?

I remember that, and it wasn't too long ago either...magically the tavern was repaired in less than a day after that happened.

My own/similar-to dictionary definitions

Roleplay - To act as another person; live through another's point of view

Pretend - An act where things are treated as something else. ex. The box is a pirate ship.

Maybe doesn't make sense the way I defined it, but basically pretending is acting as though something that hasn't happened has, or just pretending a box is a pirate ship or something. You pretend that the tavern roof is gone, but yet we can walk up there and dance around. PRETEND IS NOT ROLEPLAY PEOPLE. IF YOU WANT TO ROLEPLAY THEN...GET A DEV TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THE ROOF OFF THE TAVERN, OR DON'T TRY TO PRETEND IT'S GONE OR ROLEPLAY SOMETHING THAT MAKES SUCH A CHANGE ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

Sorry for the caps, but people need to see it. I'm tired of pretenders, it ruins everything about roleplay.
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2006, 03:47:35 am »
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Just to pick on Zorbels a bit, what about that time I walked into the tavern and I was expected to believe that the entire second floor had been destroyed?

Tsk, tsk Zanzibar you are really good at twisting words, or perhaps you are just forgetful. I told you that either you could roleplay with us or just not join us at all. I didn't expect you to believe anything, nor would I ever try to push any sort of belief on anyone. Please get your facts straight, it was a hole in the roof of kada's tavern. There was never a missing second floor. Others involved in that roleplay can be witness to that.

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I remember that, and it wasn't too long ago either...magically the tavern was repaired in less than a day after that happened.

You weren't there and you certainly weren't part of the roleplay. :/ The only way you would have known anything about it is through word of mouth. Not only that but this happen like seven months ago. Yeah, great memory. No, magically the tavern was not fixed in a day. Actually I don't believe I ever roleplayed out the tavern getting fixed at all. I only roleplayed out having to pay a huge amount to the tavern owners to get it fixed.

Oh and suno GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! *sighs* There wasn't a whole missing second floor, it wasn't fixed in a day if at all (unless someone else from that roleplay had roleplayed it being fixed, something of which I knew nothing about) and if you were apart of the roleplay you would know that.

So back on topic ......  

As for my post, I took what Moon had posted and I responded to it. I am not picking on Moon by any means, nor am I taking anything he said the wrong way or out of context. I simply posted my thoughts on what information he provided me. That being said, I do know UnderTheMoon enough to know he is a good roleplayer but that doesn't mean he is mistake free. What he put in the first post was what he felt, whether he left out piece's here and there. More importantly new comers are reading that post. I want them to know that with the example moon provided, that is something I am not in agreement with. Change the facts and I may change my opinion and response, but as it stands my opinion remains the same as long as the first post stays the same. After all that is what I was responding to. Not the facts that I obviously cannot know.

{edit] Sorry moon I had to read through crap to finally get to your last post.

Simply put, if the guy was being a jerk and not respecting you, well then move on or log out. I would avoid conflict as it never seems to help matters with those sorts of people. Some just love to be annoying and unfortantly we can't change it. As you can see some fine examples in this thread.  :)  I just want to add that I think it is great you were able to teach him some of your skills. Turning a negitive into a positive isn't easy so congratulation's.

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #85 on: October 26, 2006, 04:39:51 am »
a little side note I'd like to throw out for thought.

There's a reason why the saying "assumptions are the mother of all [insert profanity here]" is the way it is.

When people start to assume things about what the poster truelly meant, that's when problems really arise.  So going off of the original post I'd say I agree with zorbels' opinion. 

As for my post, I took what Moon had posted and I responded to it. I am not picking on Moon by any means, nor am I taking anything he said the wrong way or out of context. I simply posted my thoughts on what information he provided me. That being said, I do know UnderTheMoon enough to know he is a good roleplayer but that doesn't mean he is mistake free. What he put in the first post was what he felt, whether he left out piece's here and there. More importantly new comers are reading that post. I want them to know that with the example moon provided, that is something I am not in agreement with. Change the facts and I may change my opinion and response, but as it stands my opinion remains the same as long as the first post stays the same. After all that is what I was responding to. Not the facts that I obviously cannot know.
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As for my opinion on our youngy with his wooden swords, I tend to believe that this type of thinking is dependant on the situation.  It certaintly isn't a good idea to follow this line of thinking every time, nor is something that can't ever be used. 

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2006, 05:01:43 am »
So you'd rather assume that what he wrote is exactly what happened, even though he stated it was an example?

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2006, 05:47:32 am »
Eh. No worries. I am not about to change my ways.

*tosses strawberries at Zorbels*

Never fear, I took no insult from your comments, and should have been more clear in my example.

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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2006, 07:59:16 am »
* zorbels catches the tossed strawberries with a smile and offers Moon some chocolate milk

Moon, I would hope you know I respect your opinions and thoughts after some discussions I have had with you in the past. Even if we don't always agree. If I miss took anything then I apologize, though I don't regret my post. It took time to write it, and helped me better understand my out look on plainshift. :D I guess I have you to thank for that.

I do however, have this feeling like I don't have a clear picture on what you are trying to get across and I am glad you take no offence because I was not meaning to insult you. If you find the words to have your point come across more clearly to me I would love to discuss it with you some time. Maybe I could stop by for a drink at the tavern. Is Hyuken up for a game of dice?   
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Re: Little-boy-with-wooden-swords
« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2006, 08:05:25 am »
Drinking milk supports the veal industry.
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