Little-boy-with-wooden-swords

[Garile]

Examples are examples. If they haven't realy happened I think it is safe to say the person might have left parts out to not make the example overly complicated and longwinded and boring.

If therefor you feel in this example Moon is acting to fast I think it's best to asume it was phrased this way in light of the examples clearness and if you are really wondering you can always ask to make sure.

Asuming the worst however seems a bit strange with someone with Moons reputation.

[zorbels]

Asuming the worst however seems a bit strange with someone with Moons reputation.

I am not exactly clear on who you are speaking to about assumption, but on the off chance it is me ... there wasn't any assumptions on my part. I know moon to be a person who puts thought into his posts and I took what he posted for face value. I answered a post by moon in depth and came to later find out there was more to the story. So if in fact moon didn't handle it in the way it was posted, then that to me is wonderful news because indeed the behavior in the post didn't match up to Moons reputation.

[Phinehas]

Ok ok, this isn't getting anywhere. Zorbels is just getting defensive, and even if we convince her that one should do more than take words at face value, it's not going to achieve squat, so drop it!

[zanzibar]

Ok ok, this isn't getting anywhere. Zorbels is just getting defensive, and even if we convince her that one should do more than take words at face value, it's not going to achieve squat, so drop it!

I don't think you're being at all fair here.  She isn't getting "defensive", and there are plenty of people who agree with her, and taking words at face value has little to do with the conversation.

[Phinehas]

I'm not saying she's getting defensive in the sense that she's losing control, I'm saying that she's not going to say, "Perhaps you're right," and let it drop, she's going to keep defending her post to the end, even if perhaps a week or two down the road she comes to think that maybe there was more to it. Simply psychology. Anyway, I'm not saying she's doing anything wrong, I'm just calling on those who believe that there's more to words than face value to, for once, set a good example by dropping this useless argument which is, as you so aptly pointed out, not doing any good for the overall discussion.

[zanzibar]

I'm not saying she's getting defensive in the sense that she's losing control, I'm saying that she's not going to say, "Perhaps you're right," and let it drop, she's going to keep defending her post to the end, even if perhaps a week or two down the road she comes to think that maybe there was more to it. Simply psychology. Anyway, I'm not saying she's doing anything wrong, I'm just calling on those who believe that there's more to words than face value to, for once, set a good example by dropping this useless argument which is, as you so aptly pointed out, not doing any good for the overall discussion.

Your arguments are so freaking weak that I can't even form a proper response.

[zorbels]

Whoa, I am not getting defensive  and I am certainly not defending my post. Who do I have to justify it to exactly? I didn't attack Moon in anyway and I certainly don't understand why people are acting like I did. No one is right or wrong here. It is two different opinions. Some agree with Moon and others agree with my post. Moon has clearly told me I don't have the full story and I am accepting that and willing when I get a chance with him to have him tell me more about the situation he encountered. What more is there to say? 

 
 

[Under the moon]

Her post was right. I was unclear. Now I am. Now don't make me give the two of you a little wooden sword, and little wooden wand with a pretty star on top.

[Peacer]

Her post was right. I was unclear. Now I am. Now don't make me give the two of you a little wooden sword, and little wooden wand with a pretty star on top.

Faeries weeeeee

* Peacer steals the wooden sword and the wodden wand then becomes a godmodder and chases Underthemoom "MUAHAHAHAHAAAAA SLAY THE UBELIEVER"

ok i'm done being tired...

maybe we should get back to topic and discuss the wodden boy with swords technique instead of zorbels and her post, which doesn't really seem to go anywhere than the "I am right and you are wrong" discussion.

[Hadfael]

maybe we should get back to topic and discuss the wodden boy with swords technique instead of zorbels and her post, which doesn't really seem to go anywhere than the "I am right and you are wrong" discussion.

You are right. But how is the "wooden swords" technique supposed to change from a "I am right and you are wrong" discussion anyway?
Who is right? the boy with the wooden sword pretending to be powerful or the guy with empty hands pretending to be older?
none
The swords are not of wood so the "old" is wrong.
With his swords he won't chop any heads so the "boy" is wrong.

This anti-godmodder panacea is only a pretender vs pretender affair. It has little to do with RP.
Reminder: roleplay=to talk and act as your character would.
You character is the one you created and played in planeshift. Not a self made fantasy possessing the soul and body of a void character. Not all character are actors.

Reading "you were not part of the roleplay" in this thread shows that it's not about ingame actions.

When the player plays a role...it's called roleplaying.
When the player plays a char playing the role of something he is not, you can call it godmodding, pretending or anything else but not roleplaying.

Planeshift being a RPG and not the scene where you play virtual actors pretending to see wooden swords when there is steel, why not move this thread to the wislist and ask for costumes, makeup and wooden swords to be implemented. Turn PS to a studio, ask devs to work on separate stages where each of you can form a company, offer a play to an audience for some Trias without being disturbed by the movie shot by another troup. This is another game.
Another option is to have your character to witness to whatever happens and to react accordingly being himself and not what you would like him to be.

[Garile]

OK is it just me or is Hadfael not making that much sence?

The topic here is the wooden swords method and if it's a good method to use on godmodding. I think there isn't really a discusion if this is a problem or not. The discusion should be if this is a solution or not.

That this is an OOC solution is obvious, but remember godmodding is an OOC problem. It's about players who take advantage of the fact there is no Dungeon Master telling them they can't do certain things.

In my eyes the solution given here is a tad extreme, but atleast it has humor. It might not be the most civil approach but sometimes civil talk isn't listened to. Zorbels made a very good point that it shouldn't be used as fast as in the example, but I think most people will know about where the line lies of when someone is really godmodding and you shouldn't do this unless the person in question really blunty crossed that line several times already.

I think those are my thoughts on the matter

[zog]

It all comes down to good RP ...cooperative RP, and who can and can't be taught. The trick is finding which side of the line the obnoxious bleep lies on, then responding accordingly.

[bilbous]

I, for one, vote for ending this unfortunately titled thread.

[Hadfael]

* Hadfael tries to make sense reformulating things.

There is no need for such methods.
And in computer controled world the dungeon master is the computer. A fool coming in the middle of your conversation is something that can happen. Your characters are not on a stage. They did not put "forbidden entrance" nor "stage door" signs. They must be ready to see foreigners passing by at any time.
If they are coming in the middle of the third-act of your play, improvise.
There is no ready made reciepe. As a player you have to adapt you plans to the events. As a character, whatever happens is reality.
What you consider "godmodder" as a player, exists for your character. He is free do think that the other is a fool living in a fantasy land, a night-time reveller, a feverish man. How your char decides to deal with such guys depends on him, his mood, ...A healer can try to cure him, a fighter to challenge him, etc.
Whatever the nuisance is, it's part of the world.
Blades are real, village fools are real, thieves, murderers, trips to the DR, Harnquist's predictable life.
Claiming that your RP is better than the one of others is contradictory if you don't accept the world as it is. This thread is about how to godmod when dealing with a godmodder.
Role play is to adapt to the situation. It's not following your self-made scenario. Get the difference between being IC and acting and you will make a huge step in the right direction.

[zorbels]

Reading "you were not part of the roleplay" in this thread shows that it's not about ingame actions.

  That was me. I was responding to Suno about his outrageous claim to know facts about a roleplay I had that he was not apart of. It was completely an OOC comment, and had nothing to to with Moons post. Hope that clears that up.

As for this thread. Moon and I have an understanding and there isn't much more to say on my part except this ..... I believe Moon is only trying to promote roleplaying and offering suggestions on ways to deal with the tards who come into game and create disruptions with no intent on roleplaying. Some of them are even alt's of long standing players. My thoughts on that are this, Moon is right. They can be a pain in the butt. It is hard to have these people get a clue and have some respect for a roleplay that might be taking place. It can be frustrating and ruin the moment trying to explain to them to back off.  Some of them seem to get off on the reactions of frustration and push for more.

My only defence to these sorts of players is to ignore them as best I can and possibly move my roleplay else where hoping that those I roleplay with will not get sucked into an argument with the disrupter. In some cases I have just roleplayed them to be crazy or drunk. If it gets super annoying or out of control that is when a GM is needed. Over all the saying stands that if you argue with an idiot then you start to sound like one. Showing them no attention seems to be the best salution for the time being though it can prove to be hard.