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Nikodemus

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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2007, 05:57:51 pm »
No, Parallo is lying to you ;P

But seriously, if i were you, i wouldn't care and just sell these swods. It is pre-alpha. We test stuff and when this bug will be fixed, maybe devs will delete all weapons over 300 quality, as they did once with weapons over 10dmg and we all will live happy again.

EDIT: i suppose there are few factors which decide of the final quality of the weapon and thats why it is hard to find a proper equation and code it. But there is one general pattern: the higher the quality, the harder it is to make and the curve is getting closer and closer to an Asymptote
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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2007, 06:52:52 pm »
My goodness! Give the people a break! Its a pre-alpha! Is the only reason you play to make weapons and sell them so that your virtual money counter will go up?

The same logic could be applied to why 400/400 weapons should be sold and used. It's only pre-alpha; there's no actual use for duel points yet; why does it matter if weapons are stronger than they should be? Is the only reason you (one) play is to duel?

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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2007, 07:04:28 pm »
Is the only reason you (one) play is to duel?
Weapons are not only for dueling.



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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2007, 01:09:50 am »
The disparaging comments about the alpha state aside, it does raise an interesting point, as to what the purpose of the limits are, or what the correct limit should be. The way crafting was before, it was possible to craft a 1000/50 weapon by working your blade a silly number of times. When a rule was made that 300/50 was the limit, the explanations I heard (right or wrong, this was from other players, not GMs ) were either that 1) it was exploiting a bug to make anything more or 2) It was using too much of the server's resources to create. Either sounded like plausible explanations, so no problem there.

But now, things are different...as has been stated, one can make a 300+ weapon without doing anything particularly special. It can, in fact, be difficult to stay _under_ 300. It is very frustrating to walk to the NPC and sell your weapon for 40 tria,  when so much time has gone into making stock and mining. So, I wonder why have such limits at all, when they seem arbitrary now?

I'm trusting that soonTM updates will address these concerns, so probably tis a moot point in the grand scheme of things...but I do appreciate Jonandtice's frustration.
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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2007, 12:09:35 am »
question is, will i get banned/punished if i make sell or use a 307/307 sword? will they call me a "cheater"?

i tried to stay low, i even managed to get to a 220/220 sword kit lying on the table -- which was not easy, i had to sharpen a Brittle blade (q already well over 340) in order to get such a drop --  that jumped over 300 only at the very final step. And i'm at level 0 sword making, i can only imagine what happens at level 10...  ::|

someone (well that's me) mined 80 ores in order to get that sword done. should i just throw it away (or sell for 160 trias)?
can i use just as long as it's 306/307, repair it and repeat till it's 300/300? Will a GM hit my hands with a stick for "using" that +300 sword that way?

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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2007, 12:38:32 am »
I made 27 daggers all over quality and that's 140 steel stock and 1400 ores, It took a LONG time to do and yes after a discussion with a GM I sold them to Harnquist, why? Because 300 is the limit and it wouldn't look good having 27 daggers at 640/640 quality in my inventory.

If it's only 307 then I can't see why repairing to 300 would be the problem but you'd still have to use it to reduce quality so who knows... ::|

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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2007, 01:08:42 am »
Well i made about 15... the last ones were attempts (more or less successful) to make them low... then some math and some happy stacking provided me with 10 300/301 daggers. that's no cheating on current quality and about 0.3% "cheating" on max quality (will anyone ever try to repair them up to 301/301? most likely he'll get a 300/300 dagger, if not worse).

I'll put them for sale, after i spent soooo much time trying to keep quality low :(

BTW, getting the y right in x/y is much harder. You need to make at least one of quality y/y (exactly). Then you can play with stacks. The x, being the average, is somehow easier to trim.

But i still have some 345/301 daggers in my inv, waiting for a 255/255 dagger to be made in the (near?) future. And i'm not a dagger user (skill = 0) so I hope they don't get mistaken as if they were for my use.

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Re: I Wish 1000/1000 weapons didn't exist
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2007, 03:43:29 am »
After losing 2 Short swords I spent hours making because of it, I decided to stop crafting until this damnable bug is fixed. Waited months to see crafting back in this new version, now I will wait even more to see it become workable. By the way, making a short sword of 2 pounds with more than 200 pounds of ores is simply absurd!
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