A Diaboli walks into a temple and...

[Nikodemus]

If there is no faith to begin with, there is nothing to give up, so the "except" distinction either isn't necessary at all or an addition of "except Diaboli, who never followed a god to begin with" would make more sense.

There is possibility that a writer wanted to keep it short. While showing  that other races had other gods and gave up their faith in them, diaboli were stubborn because of some reason and did not want to learn worshiping any god. Like in: 'Everyone were learning (new) religion except Diaboli.

The point is there is nothing what way make you 100% certain Diaboli believe in any god. Simple as that. Accept it or be ignorant like you were, while telling me to scroll up. It is you who may be misunderstanding.

I'm sorry for making points about your english skills, but people don't make mistakes without a reason

[Idoru]

* Idoru applauds witchking

I liked your post and agree with all your points, especially the last bits

[Narure]

i have a fun story, obviously jibberish but well...

The Diaboli lived in a good land once, a beautiful land with flourishing wild life and amazing views. All of this was down to their god, Gradnes. However this god insisted on sacrifces to be made, the most beautiful of all the diaboli had to be offered up to him every season.
   Drenad was a happy Diaboli, his life was good, all his many friends where in exelent health, he was royalty, next to become ruler of the land and to top it all off he was engaged to marry the second most beautiful woman in the whole of the land. However, he had been sheltered from the darker side of his god by his father and his father had failed to see the imense beauty in his sons wife to be. As you can assume, two seasons passed and so her time came, and so Drenad found out. However he could not accept it, he loved her more than anything else, everything became pointless without her. So he killed his father... became king, and as king had the right to over rule any law. This had never been a problem in the past as all the Diaboli had got on well, but now he refused to see to the gods wishes. Gradnes was anything but ammused, but as Drenad was king, the people where obliged to go along with him, fight his cause, and so came the fall of the Diaboli. Gradnes punished them, and he punished them harshly. His love for their beauty would not let his kill them all or disfigure them, but out of jealousy he cursed them so they could never worship another god, another god could never truly see their full beauty and if they even attempted it they would be severly weakend. and he destroyed their lands, he made great volcanoes rise from the ground, the rivers run red and a great cloud so they would never see the sky again. The diaboli, distrught with anger, mostly at themselves, where too ashamed to ever speak of how any of this came about again.

I love stories 

[LARAGORN]

The point is there is nothing what way make you 100% certain Diaboli believe in any god. Simple as that. Accept it or be ignorant like you were, while telling me to scroll up. It is you who may be misunderstanding.

I'm sorry for making points about your english skills, but people don't make mistakes without a reason

And what is your reason ?

[Nikodemus]

Of what?

If you are going to discuss something about me, better do it with me, not in thread of someone else? (i thought you will feel better if i i post a bit more than 2 words, it is trying to gues what you are going to start.

[Parallo]

Well, what about atheist, atheist is a religion as well,

I hope that thats a joke.

Well anyway... I'd like to ask some questions. Are the settings accepted as historical fact? If they were there would not be atheists as we are led to believe by character creation in Yliakum but Deists. An atheist in Yliakum in this case would be like a person in RL not believing that world war two happened.

[Idoru]

An atheist in Yliakum in this case would be like a person in RL not believing that world war two happened.

I only mention this because its pretty close to what you just mentioned.

An athiest in Yliaokum is also like someone who doesnt believe that the holocaust happened. These people do exist. If they didnt there wouldnt be laws against it in several EU countries. If a Diaboli doesnt believe in Talad or Laanx (but to me it doesnt seem like disbelief, its more like disregard) then that is what they think.

[ThomPhoenix]

Well, what about atheist, atheist is a religion as well,

I hope that thats a joke.

I don't think that's a joke.
However ridiculous it may sound, I have seen some works myself in which atheism is classified as a religion because "atheists can't prove a god doesn't exist, so it's a belief". I don't classify atheism as a religion myself though, as it's confusing and silly.

But on-topic again.

Diaboli don't like religion in any form, so it's obvious to me that they don't have a god.

[Parallo]

Atheism is the lack of a religion. Noone is a full atheist. In Richard Dawkins book, the God Delusion, he outlines the seven degrees of belief. It ranges from absoultly know that someting exists(A large proportion of our population when speaking of god.) to the same degree of not believing which is populated by very few if any. Anyone that believes with all their heart that there is no god is as delusional as one that believe there is.

Back to PS and away from RL... Are the settings Historic fact?

[Bartholin]

An atheist in Yliakum in this case would be like a person in RL not believing that world war two happened.

I only mention this because its pretty close to what you just mentioned.

An athiest in Yliaokum is also like someone who doesnt believe that the holocaust happened. These people do exist. If they didnt there wouldnt be laws against it in several EU countries. If a Diaboli doesnt believe in Talad or Laanx (but to me it doesnt seem like disbelief, its more like disregard) then that is what they think.

WTF?? your both stretching your opions WAY to much..

okay.. i play the game as if im in real life.. and so far.. INGAME.. i havnt come on ANY signs of a holy presence.. so then i MUST infact be one of those RARE ppl that are STUPID.. well.. not stupid.. but ignorant enough to beleave the WWII never happend NOR the holacast.. RIGHT? WRONG! you cant say that.. unless both game gods make a visist to the plaza every week.. you can not expect a player playing a char. to play the char as if it belaved in a god JUST because..

my chars religion is athiest (and yes.. athiest is a religion.. just like "the force" but not stupid like it  ) why is my char athiest? he just doesnt beleave that a god made is race.. and no god could be around.. since he never seen a god.. not even an "angle?" (what would they be called? j/w) so..

saying that EVERYONE.. or.. rather that 99.9999999% of the game players have made a char that beleaves in a god.. is just b/s

[Nikodemus]

while in RL there may be 3 gropus of peole:
1% who know there is a god, but don't worship him
50% who know and worship
49% who don't believe and thus don't worship.
In Yliakum the situation would be different:
49% who know there is a god, but don't worship him
50% who know and worship
1% who don't believe and thus don't worship.

In Yliakum you just can't deny the facts some gods are around. Their presense, past and continued activity can't be denied, just like magic and the glyphs.

[Bartholin]

In Yliakum you just can't deny the facts some gods are around. Their presense, past and continued activity can't be denied, just like magic and the glyphs.

explain... explain to my char who has had his family killed off by a nation's army that a god has shown him any activity? specialy with magic and that such out in life..

[Nikodemus]

err, are you by any chance making similiarities to a god of mercifulness? I gues it would count for the god of christians, but Laanx? She won't care about some mere peasant whos whole family was killed in some random way. Why should she? And you know, we don't have magic in RL, no innatural/not explainable things. So in Yliakum, it is not only easier to believe in something you won't see and you will more likely believe people who tell you what the god did for them once, as they have proofs.

[witchking]

Aww, Idoru, thanks for your compliments! 

Datruth, thanks as well, and you're welcome.

Neither do I, but it is a possibility in the PS universe.

Why is it a possibility in PS universe? Based on what specifically?

People say they're allergic to electricity, showing many symphtomes ti allergy when they're for example in the presence of a cell phone.

People say a lot of things, and showing symptoms to allergy does not equal an allergy. Here's an official answer by James Heffley Ph.D. to the question of "Is it possible to be allergic to electricity?":

In the sense that physicians define allergy, which is acknowledged to be a narrow definition, you really cannot be allergic to electricity. A true allergy must involve the reaction of a specific molecule with Immunoglobin E to release histamine. However, if you broaden the definition to include words such as idiosyncratic response or hypersensitivity, which can make you feel just as bad, it appears there are people who are "allergic" to electricity.

The answer goes on for quite a bit with more explanation, so if you like, you can read it here:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase/Issue/column?oid=oid%3A116532

Hence, in a medical sense, you cannot be allergic to electricity. And even if you could be, electricity is a physical phenomenon - not a religion. So, I'm not sure how that example would even help.

When people say that they are "allergic" to religion, it is not in a biological sense. "Allergic" in this case simply means a dislike or a disbelief. Now, why should they physically and biologically suffer from anything related to any religion just because they don't believe in it or don't support it? I haven't seen any atheists in real-life burst into flames or suffer any damage after being sprayed with holy water.

How could Diaboli physically or even psychologically suffer from a "power of belief" or religion, if they didn't believe in it in the first place? Why should it affect them in any severely damaging way at all?

So, my question on religion vs biology still stands.

We can not explain everything

Where - in game or in real-life? You cannot explain everything in real-life because you did not create everything in real-life and nor should you have to explain. However, when you create a story, you can certainly explain at least something as major as a race's background, their god and religion, their possibilities and limitations etc.

i have a fun story, obviously jibberish but well...

The Diaboli lived in a good land once, a beautiful land with flourishing wild life and amazing views. All of this was down to their god, Gradnes. However this god insisted on sacrifces to be made, the most beautiful of all the diaboli had to be offered up to him every season.
   Drenad was a happy Diaboli, his life was good, all his many friends where in exelent health, he was royalty, next to become ruler of the land and to top it all off he was engaged to marry the second most beautiful woman in the whole of the land. However, he had been sheltered from the darker side of his god by his father and his father had failed to see the imense beauty in his sons wife to be. As you can assume, two seasons passed and so her time came, and so Drenad found out. However he could not accept it, he loved her more than anything else, everything became pointless without her. So he killed his father... became king, and as king had the right to over rule any law. This had never been a problem in the past as all the Diaboli had got on well, but now he refused to see to the gods wishes. Gradnes was anything but ammused, but as Drenad was king, the people where obliged to go along with him, fight his cause, and so came the fall of the Diaboli.

Wait a minute, didn't you just say that sacrifices have never been a problem in the past "as all the Diaboli had got on well"? You didn't say that they lived in misery and were suffering due to the sacrifices demanded by Gradnes. Why would the whole race and nation suddenly take a new ruler's word, who has not even earned the trust of his people yet, over their god? You mean to tell me that they were afraid of their ruler more than their god? That they were more obliged to follow an inexperienced leader's wish than a god's wish? Unless they hated the sacrifices in the first place and waited for a leader to start some kind of a "mutiny", this doesn't sound believable at all.

Gradnes punished them, and he punished them harshly. His love for their beauty would not let his kill them all or disfigure them, but out of jealousy he cursed them so they could never worship another god, another god could never truly see their full beauty and if they even attempted it they would be severly weakend. and he destroyed their lands, he made great volcanoes rise from the ground, the rivers run red and a great cloud so they would never see the sky again. The diaboli, distrught with anger, mostly at themselves, where too ashamed to ever speak of how any of this came about again.

Gradnes punished the foolish leader, and he punished him harshly, as an example to all those who would ever dare to defy the god's wishes. A powerful demon emerged from the skies and carried Drenad to a great volcano, where his wretched body was consumed by the merciless lava.

I like stories too but seriously, for an evil god like Gradnes, it would make much more sense to punish Drenad rather than the whole race. Remove the leader and you remove the resistance. Besides, if he is a jealous god, he'd most likely try to prevent Diaboli from worshiping another god but not Gradnes rather than giving them up completely. And while they do worship him, he'd offer them all the protection they needed "for while his punishments are severe, his rewards are equally as great". Cursing them from any god, including Gradnes, would imply that there is no god more powerful than Gradnes because no god could lift that curse, and if he was such a jealous and most powerful god, he'd probably try to conquer all other gods and their respective races, including Yliakum, which I'm sure he was aware of once Diaboli traveled through a portal (he's jealous, remember?). And do you really see even a shred of anything to base this theory on in the PS history?

Anyway, it's just one person's story, which is closer to a major stretch and speculation rather than a reasonable explanation, and it's certainly not part of PS history. C'mon, you already knew that.

Besides, if we are to believe that evil, hateful and jealous gods are capable of putting such curses on the races, why didn't Laanx, who couldn't convert Klyros, do the same thing to them? I'm sure someone is going to say that Laanx is "too weak" to put such a curse on a race or that "Talad would protect them".

Thanks.

[Parallo]

explain... explain to my char who has had his family killed off by a nation's army that a god has shown him any activity? specialy with magic and that such out in life..

First, a nation?

Second there is no alternative account of how things came to be. Unless your character is incapable of thought he would have found out through his upbringing or his own research that the gods are responcible for our creation and our own presence here. I challenge you to give an IC reason to refute the gods.

Edited to add: Get a dictonary and look up atheism.