Whining.

[Karyuu]

Chaz, are you packing your bags yet or what? You seem to have stopped making useful contributions on the board.

[Coneitic]

STOP

omg why do you guys have to be communist??? seriously if this gets erased it'll just prove my point. why do you control what the testers speak about on a forum? this is the testers place to speak their mind about the game.....

i dont understand.

if its not offensive. if its not vulgar.. then why stop the voice of the testers? why show something that proves others points that the devs/moderators could careless about its testers. so you guys decide who and when u want to listen to something? if somethings a little off topic its deleted? thats like people sitting at work talking with their boss about ideas and the boss shuts down anything that doesnt have to do with how the conversation was brought up.

dont you testers believe that 99% of what we post, wheter it be rude, nice, helpful, flaming, whining can only help the devs as to see what its testers expierience and feel from the game?

whining is apart of everygame, and whether it is constructive and well written, or just an out of the blue whine. its still information the devs can use. i dont get how of all the things in the Ps world, you choose to delete, move, change, whatever in the only spot us testers have a freedom of speach of the game they are testing. its unfair completely.

[chazarus]

SO you don't like my jokes your saying ?

[Nurahk]

To put it blantantly.

There are three groups.

Those who care about the Devs.

Those who are just here to play.

And those who don't care about the Devs.

You will all go on, probably stating that you are in the second category.  Some of you will get enraged, those are the one who fall in the third.  Many of you will bring up points that really don't matter, that's the third.  Then there are some who will say that the Devs don't care about them, that's the third.  There are those who will say I'm being harsh, that's the second or the first.

Nobody is going to openly admit that they are part of the third but, the large majority of the posters lately are of that category.  They see the Devs as "The people who gave me this game so they should make it the way I want."  I'm going to get flamed, people are going to start to dislike me, call me a sycophant, I couldn't care less.  I have my reasons to defend the Devs, they are people and most of you are abusing them.

Parallo and Emerald are the two people I put in the second.  There are a few others, but most fall into either the first or the third.  Have fun figuring out which one you are and then fooling yourself into thinking you are the second.

[Karyuu]

People here can't seem to discuss these subjects without freaking out.

[neko kyouran]

If you don't have something constructive to bring to the argument, don't post.

Karyuu told me to back off on moderating.  I did that for awhile.

Now I will not.

[Vengeance]

Other devs are free to respond however they wish (if they wish) to this, but I will make one more effort to throw my $.02 in here...

a) The devs do "care" what people think about the game in general, which is why we put so much time into it.

b) The devs "do not care" about what people think of certain aspects of the game, because on these points we have a collective Vision(tm) about the type of game we are trying to make.  This includes the big topic of PvP, which is so large that we made it its own subforum. :-)

c) Helpful complaints almost never come in the form of "I want X instead of 'not-X'," because "not-X" was a choice made by the team, almost always discussed in advance and agreed to.  Especially if something was X before and has been recently changed to "not-X".

d) Bug reports like "It is supposed to do X, but it doesn't work and does 'not-X' instead" are very helpful and appreciated, even if we mostly feel snowed under by bug reports.

e) Complaints that "Feature X sucks" are, believe it or not, just fine too.  Mostly they are redundant because we know they suck, but if you follow that with "If feature X allowed double-clicking, it wouldn't suck as much", that is a lot better and a perfect way for players to influence how the game is developed.  Feature X must be non-core to point "b" above, however.  "Glyphs suck" is not a useful complaint.  "Glyphs are too complicated to keep straight without a notebook that reminds me which is used where" is a better complaint.

f) Believe it or not, on the dev team I care more about "popularity" and what the fans think than most of the team.  The debates about "b" and the discussions of changes in "c" usually involve me wanting things to be easier, more like WoW, more popular--and Talad wanting to stay true to the Vision(tm) of what he wants.  I'm a lightning rod for many people because I respond here and on irc to the players--when 95% of the devs do not--not because I am willfully trying to ignore the players.

I don't know if this will help or sink in or not.  I'm aware that 99% of the people on this forum love PS and appreciate the work that I and the rest of the team do, but it seems like an uphill battle to convince the last 1% to relax and be constructive.  Thanks.

- Vengeance