Dark empire discussion

[lordraleigh]

It's not contradiction! It's Doublespeak, the manifestation of a skill called doublethink!

The Dark Empire goal is world domination glory!

Goldstein is a great comrade traitor!

We are in war with Eastasia  Eurasia!

[ThomPhoenix]

It's not a contradiction.  Something can be called X without actually being X.

Uhuh, if you say so. I prefer people to just say what they mean, or else things get confusing very quickly.
I don't expect you to understand.

[zanzibar]

It's not a contradiction.  Something can be called X without actually being X.

Uhuh, if you say so. I prefer people to just say what they mean, or else things get confusing very quickly.
I don't expect you to understand.

You're telling me that never in your life have you heard something described as something it isn't?  Give me some credit here.

[lordraleigh]

I know a lot of these ones @zanzi

But usually they are used to disguise goals to make they seem positive and good or less obvious( euphemisms and rhethoric ).

   Liberation of Iraq
   Cultural Revolution
   The Purges of Soviet Union
 
Among many others

[Natrina]

[hmm, sorry, dunno what happened here, please delete this post someone]

[Sangwa]

You did say it was not the Empire's goal to conquer the world.

To begin, world domination is a rumour.  A false one at that.

So you contradict:

Our objective is quite simple. It has been called world domination before.

I said it has been called world domination before. Some of us may consider it rumour nowdays though.

It's not contradiction! It's Doublespeak, the manifestation of a skill called doublethink!

The Dark Empire goal is world domination glory!

Goldstein is a great comrade traitor!

We are in war with Eastasia  Eurasia!

The examples you've placed after DE are actually contradictions as well. World Domination can be compatible with Glory. You can't have a great commarade and traitor at the same time and Eastasia isn't Eurasia.
Anyways, I've told you already the guide line we hold currently. It is: "we'll dominate what we are able to." This can mean a lot of things, depending on our capacity. And our recent activity has proven us to be benefitial for both towns and their people.

Also, if you check our history of disagreements, you'll check that we've been only against guilds that were either unrespectful or harmful towards the general wellbeing. I'd say it's safe policy to group those who unreasonably oppose and attempt to undermine our success without provocation to be part of the category above mentioned.

[lordraleigh]

I guess I should have made a reference to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

Doublespeak is language deliberately constructed to disguise or distort its actual meaning, often resulting in a communication bypass. Such language is often associated with governmental, military, and corporate institutions and its deliberate use by these is what distinguishes it from other euphemisms. Doublespeak may be in the form of bald euphemisms ("downsizing" for "firing of many employees") or deliberately ambiguous phrases ("wet work" for "assassination", "take out" for "destroy").

Or "glory" for "world domination"

[zanzibar]

Isn't anyone else bugged by the fact that these are all questions and worries that SHOULD be thought of as IN CHARACTER?  This thread shouldn't even exist.

[lordraleigh]

Isn't anyone else bugged by the fact that these are all questions and worries that SHOULD be thought of as IN CHARACTER?  This thread shouldn't even exist.

* lordraleigh locks the thread with an invisible lock, but it does not work properly.

* lordraleigh suddenly sees a thread disappearing misteriously from the guild forums , and can't(or perhaps is not willing to) post on it anymore.

[Sangwa]

Oh, that's right. These conversations are more amusing character to character, since that's the only place while they hold any worth.

^^

This thread has allowed me to respond to some relevant questions... Maybe someone else has doubts about something else in the Dark Empire?

I'd ask all of you to be as kind as to check psdarkempire.webhop.org and offer your opinion on anything. There might still be some doubts about some aspects regarding the Dark Empire. That's the reason why this thread has been created after all.

[zanzibar]

Oh, true Sangwa.  When I tried having similar conversations with the Dragon Council in character and in game, I ended up getting banned!  My bad.  When will I learn to distinguish between IC and OOC?

I guess never.

[lordraleigh]

Oh, true Sangwa.  When I tried having similar conversations with the Dragon Council in character and in game, I ended up getting banned!  My bad.  When will I learn to distinguish between IC and OOC?

I guess never.

Must have been a real challenge to talk about Dragons IC. 

[zanzibar]

Must have been a real challenge to talk about Dragons IC. 

Funny enough, Dragons never came up.

[Garile]

Must have been a real challenge to talk about Dragons IC. 

So you feel that when we ask about the goals of the Dragon Council IC nonetheless we should try to talk about dragons? Judging a book by it's cover much?

[lordraleigh]

All right. I will make a guild named "Gangrel Hobbits of Cania Punk Gang" then. Don't judge it by its name OK?

*Added to @Natrina: I was referring to the "Dragon Council" as I already got bored from this Dark Empire discussion.