An example of when Planeshift can suck.

[drah]

Staying in one spot only for a mob to respawn under your feet is something done out of OOC knowledge of spawning.  If someone comes and grabs a kill off you before you have chance to attack... well.. it's irritating... but it's "competitive hunting" (not KS'ing according to PS rules.)

Although Zanzibar and I have often disagreed on a load of different subjects, I'm on his side on this one, at least the false-accusations-of-KSing part.

GMs have previously stated, even here on the forums, that taking a mob someone else is spawn-camping on... is NOT KSing unless they've actually started to attack and/or already inflicted damage. --- I only know one way to really KS (as opposed to competitively hunting) and that requires the use of a spell.

If Zanzibar (or anyone else) repeatedly hounds you and uses melee just to attack quicker and therefore keep getting the mobs off you, especially if they're following you around to do it... then I think it's fair for your character (IC) to get upset over the lost loot, etc. and to challenge if they feel the need.

But for one competitive challenge over a single mob on one day... kicking up a fuss... silly.

[joshua6021]

Try selling a handcrafted weapon of good quality abd having some do the same thing to. One of my messages read stop tring to drink the blood of newbees. I was selling a 300/300 daggwer for 1K? Don't ask me

[Kaerli]

Valorius, you are DEAD WRONG about KSing.  If someone decides to go after a monster that appears not to be under attack, that's their decision.  If you raise a stink about it OOC, you are being not only an embarrassment to everything proper RP is about, but you are being very very rude.  Monster spawns are public property, so it would be just like someone trying to say they owned a city park.

[emeraldfool]

noob: haha i see you have no recpect for others:)

Hm, I'm surprised the noob hit on that in the 5 seconds he was talking to you
'Course I wouldn't be surprised if Zanzibar left out a few interesting tidbits


Anyway, I say if you think someone's AFK, poke them, or say [are you afk <person>?]. If they don't respond, you can take the kill and use the excuse that they didn't respond.

Personally, I see spawn-camping as rather ridiculous and selfish, but in a world where there's more players than nearby monsters it's a sacrifice we have to make.

[Idoru]

Spawn camping, IMO, is just really a means to an end, your not RPing in any way when you are spawn camping, you are simply trying to power level your character (which while distasteful to many members here, is often required to create the character you want to play.)

Id have to say im totally on Zanzibars side here, its isnt KSing unless you are exploiting a bug in the games mechanics to steal the ownership of a mob AFTER the 1st player has hit. This has been talked about over and over again in these forums. If the player who felt she was wrong has now left the communinty over one small act of (what in the most extreme would be called) impoliteness, then so be it, I doubt that will impact greatly on the community as a whole.


[EDIT]

PS, its really why some players can suck, not so much why PS can suck.

[lordraleigh]

It should not lead to in character duels, I agree.  But the whole spawn system is terribly OOC that sure, it can lead to OOC duels.

99,99%(if not 100%) of the MMO(RP?)Gs have spawnable mobs that are the main source of "levelling up" for all characters.

If there's something Planeshift really can make a difference is in that, by creating an alternate method of developing COMBAT SKILLS(job skills shouldn't be improved by killing rogues to get PPs, neither PPs should exist at all as they're ridiculously OOC). Perhaps some quests could involve storming gang hideouts, etc, with non-spawnable enemies that are positioned in different ways and offering different challenges, making it more interesting than camping to wait another rogue to spawn. I hope the current way of developing a characters is as alpha as the current combat system and will be fully overhauled in the coming soon(tm) future.

[Radiant Memphis]

     I had something similar happen to me the other day. Only I was the one being kill stolen from as well as a couple others training with me. One person was running around and killing everything in the area when it was obvious that people where training (not that it seems to matter). Normally I wouldn't have been bothered of it (as first come first serve happens) if the person was not taking the kill after I had already initiated attack. Seems they waited until I was changing stances or used whatever means they had to accomplish this. So, what I did instead of freaking out on them; I asked politely that they stop. That didn't work so, I stopped training and began speaking and warning other char. that came around of the problem that may happen with them in a IC way (something about a rouge thief stealing from the working warrior or something) and moved on to do something else. It's used to be rare anyhow that I would train much as I would rather explore and RP. Although, sometimes it's nice to change things up and sometimes to do certain things in this game training is required i.e. quest both NPC and Char. ran ones. Regardless the end result was that I moved on after attempting to talk it out in civil manner with the person I had a problem with.
    Now on the other hand I have been in the situation where Zanzibar was in the arena as well. Where someone was just standing there with a NPC and not attacking. I waited about ten seconds, and in that time someone else had already came along and killed said NPC. So, when it re-spawned (about twenty seconds later maybe?) I killed it a couple times until I noticed the other person standing there was back from whatever they where doing and moved on to something else. Note, on average I will send a tell to anyone in this situation to see if they mind sharing (I know they don't own it to share in the first place) as a polite gesture to see what's going on with said person in regards to standing there.
     In the end, when all is said and done. It's not worth getting your armor in a bunch over.

[bilbous]

Why isn't this in the complaint department with all the other useless whining amongst the useful criticisms?
As for the gist of the thread it appears there is more than enough blame to go for all the participants.

[zanzibar]

Stop trying to sound better and above spawn stealing.  If you want to train, and somebody just comes and steals your spawn, you wouldn't be happy.

If someone goes for the mob I want, that's fine.

[Vengeance]

Bilbous,

This isn't really complaining about the game, but a discussion of what is KSing and what is not, which seems like a valid topic for General.  Is it whiny?  Yeah, a bit. :-)

- Venge

[zanzibar]

Why do you want to kick out all the ones using the duel system here?

See the thread Parallo linked to.  The post links to other threads as well.

There is a certain kind of person in PS that is ruining the game.  They call themselves "duelers" who are basically an infection in the community.  They're hurting roleplay, they're bothering and harassing other players, and they're just plain acting like trash.  Their agenda is to turn Planeshift into their own version of Counterstrike, using the gestures of roleplay to hide the nature of their actions.

[Rongar Elani]

Why do you want to kick out all the ones using the duel system here?

See the thread Parallo linked to.  The post links to other threads as well.

There is a certain kind of person in PS that is ruining the game.  They call themselves "duelers" who are basically an infection in the community.  They're hurting roleplay, they're bothering and harassing other players, and they're just plain acting like trash.  Their agenda is to turn Planeshift into their own version of Counterstrike, using the gestures of roleplay to hide the nature of their actions.

And your agenda seems to be, turning Planeshift into your own version of a chat room. If all you want to do is hanging around somewhere and talk/RP, why dont you consider playing a browser game with a nice IRC-channel? 

Planeshift gives you more options than just RP, RP is only one, and another one is dueling. With only RP, you can take away stats and skills too, cause hey, i can roleplay my meeting with an Ulber, actually, why not taking out mobs as well? But this is not what I want, I like to RP and you can ask several people here or ingame, to confirm this, but if it would be my favorite way of spending my time, I would certainly look for a chat room or i would get my chain armor out of the wardrobe and meet some likeminded people on a medieval festival. So, Zanzibar, if you dont like the game in its current status with the ability to duel, leave, or stop whining. 

[zanzibar]

Rongar Elani, the problem is that some people are putting dueling on a pedestal and they're creating a culture that is attracting trashy players to Planeshift who are ruining the game for others.

[Parallo]

Why don't you refute the content rather than the footnote?

[Rongar Elani]

What i wanted to say with it, is that there will ALWAYS be OOC duels here in PS and even though you are right, that RP should be involved in every duel, it will never gonna happen to be. I was not picking on you, with quoting you, I did, because you should know better, that OOC is part of the game, when suggesting other people to download an IRC client, to RP only.