Uneventable Me (I, Roleplayer)

[Parallo]

Or if you feel that the stats you have compliment the character you want to have already you could read.

[Juranian]

I don't understand these kinds of topics continue to repeat in every so called rp game, i noticed this alot in ps as well, i am new here, not having been here for more then a couple of days, i do have enough rp experience, i am by far an expert lol, i am a ok rper in my own eyes, but... the i roleplayer thing... I came to this game, apart from all others because it said, its for rp... RP GAME, mechanics and rp, its great for the most part, the guild im in, promotes inviting people who understand how to rp, and give those who don't know how a chance to learn as well, even if it is only for a specific race, I don't understand those who only grind in game, i don't find they have any business here... im talking about those who outright refuse to rp and speak oocly constantly, who's only motive to play ps is the game part.

From newbie point of view: Pro's: Rper's i've seen are nice, but not all so welcoming, some are, but takes a while to even become                 involved in anything, game shows so much promise, but those who make the promise of alot of rp if you read the side, well... so far i feel i've been kinda lied to =\. but again... newbie point of view, wich may scare others of my kind away

Con's: Rp shoulden't just be encouraged, i find it should be forced to some degree... im sorry if that offends some who think they should have people who don't rp in a rp game but... yeah, if you rid yourself of those only here for the mechanics system, some of you beleive you would lose a player base... you woulden't, the player base would simply shift more towards the roleplayer's side, wich... as i was led to beleive is suppose to be our main player base, or at least gaming rper, if people want to play a game for mechanics, tons of ohters games for that, but having a game where you need to rp, would seriously increase the fan base, being hte only actualy 3d game, with  low enough stats, and high enough variance so any rper with a ok computer could play ( P.S. I understand there are alot of newbies who don't know how to rp, those are great when they look and learn, but... some just want to hack and slash.. and interupt others while doing so...) I do expect alot of flaming or getting this post deleted or w\e since it was kind of off topic, but newbies vues are important to!

I, Roleplaying PS newbie

[Parallo]

I agree. RP is already enforced to an extent I believe. People will be told to speak OOCly not in main or only in brackets or at least it was like that a while ago. I haven't come across much stupidity recently save for plain bad and disruptive attempts at RP.

[Mythryndel]

I don't understand why we keep having to hash this out. PS is a GAME with an RP focus. RP is encouraged, and to a certain extent required when interacting with others. However, it would be nice if there were a little less disdain for people playing the game and not just sitting around chatting the entire time they are in-game. Nobody lied to anyone. The main website is not promoting false advertising. This is a game, not a chat client. Please add your character to the landscape, bring a little more flavor to the game. However, the mechanics are there to be used too.

[Velh Krome]

I agree, less desdain. And to be consequent in this approach, as well make guilds focusing on oocish grinding or merely on finding exploits officially accepted. Frequently RPers get reminded and poked to accept players not giving a heck on RPing, and the same time though the same people scoff guild ideas focusing on anything but RPing and setting. Is it only me to see a conflict there?
It makes no sense to say on one hand "PS is there for everyone", and on the other hand mock people who create guilds not fitting the setting.

I wont get tired of it: Give Planeshift a defintion more precise than "Do whatever suits you (and keep ooc off main)!", and so much trouble would be gone. To have 2 threads nudging each RPers or non-RPers is something I can only wonder.

(And now I only wait for any offtopic smartass saying..)

[Parallo]

There is a false dichotomy here. The very fact that you view the mechanics as anything other than a tool for advancing RP is a bad sign.

[Velh Krome]

Of course I listed these 3(!) extremes picked from a continuous spectrum - dont be so picky but instead try reading between the lines for once.
Either you got what I tried to say, or ask for details. Or spare me your (false) implications.

[Parallo]

It shouldn't be a continuous spectrum. The mechanics are there not simply for their own sake but to support RP by allowing a difference of ability so as to make the game not be a chat client. I use them to maximise my rp. I don't think there is any point to making them constantly increase without using them for anything except further increase. And it isn't a false implication, it is a false dichotomy because we aren't dealing with pure chat-like rp vs. pure mechanic grinding. We are dealing with playing the game in an IC way and using the mechanics to do so vs. not rping at all and having no consistant character vs. ignoring the mechanics.

(Contrary to how it may seem to anyone stumbling across this without knowing, yes, we are in fact all playing the same game.)

[Juranian]

I realise this is full well a game lol, but it is an rp game, If you don't like the idea of rp, and are only here for the game, then you should realy go find a game better suited to that, im not uptight about roleplay really, i'm not arguing about only using chat, without mechanics, mechanics are cool too, there there and we should use it as yes it is a game, but it is a game meant for roleplayers correct? Not full on gamers refusing rp. Its allright to go grinding sometimes as there is no other way to improve your strengths at this point really but, it shoulden't be all you do. There is a flaw with the mechanics and the rp, wich is that, The mechanics let you be a god if you grind enough... wich in rp.. well.. just not fun to rp withw... So, basicaly... the problem is, to those people who don't rp, or don't use the system, you should be doing both here, as this is a ROLEPLAYING---GAME, But do not make yourself out as a god just because you can own anyone in hydlaa.

[Velh Krome]

My question was, why do people for instance in the Guilds forums here occasionally rip apart attempts on certain guilds when they appear to be off setting, when the same time RP officially is only encouraged, by no means enforced or demanded. Theres no need to debate wether mechanics are to support roleplay. Theres as well no need to discuss if there are people who dont include RP in their game at all. What I tried to say is, give Planeshift a more clear definition about it is a "true" rpg, instead of some hybrid (which, again, is then fought about on the forums).

[Parallo]

If I recall correctly RP is enforced in the main tab. If you wish to interact with others using the main tab it must be IC and therefore rping while communicating is enforced to an extent.

As for what a "true" rpg is, a game in which one is constantly IC. What more can be said?

[Mythryndel]

wow... it is really getting deep in here. It really does seem like just about every thread on this forum devolves into a debate about RP vs PL vs balance. The more I have read, the more I think it boils down to RPers don't really like the PLers because they aren't willing to put the time/effort into training their stats, because they are too busy focusing on the TRUE intent of PS, which is the almighty RP. Therefore, they cannot be as good at different skills as the PLers, and therefore it isn't fair that people who don't even RP should be better than they are. Anyone having trouble following my logic? Sorry if I lost anyone...

The only thing i can say, is that just because you sit around a bait shop and talk about fishing all day, doesn't make you a fisherman. I think that some things in-game may require a bit more grinding that is ideal for a game to be fun/enjoyable, but I am enjoying improving my ability to craft swords, for example.

[Juranian]

Thats Acutlay realy true Mythryndel... this is basicaly what happens

Rper= They don't train, they say things about themselves, but because of the mechanics, they can't prove it, and although they do alot of work with the story, they can't back any of it up with the mechanics and so find it unfair that they should be considered weak

Player= They train all the time, and rp rarely, they use mostly the mechanics, but in terms of rp and story, they don't try much, and they find it unfair that they are considered any less of a Ps player because they do alot of grinding to be as strong as they get, and get upset when a rper says they are just as strong without being able to prove it

Simplest solution? Rpers= Grind to the point where you reach how strong your character is suppose to be, then no one can complain                                                           about you.
                       Players= Stop grinding a bit, being insanely strong, just to prove your better then others is not cool, and is not possible in the setting, no one here is a god, even if your stats say you are, try to make yourself realistic eh?

Meaning= Everyone just become what your suppose to be ingame, then no one can complain 

(Sorry for the grammer hehe, was spur of the moment due to passion for PS)

[Hrothbert]

Well put Juranian

[Parallo]

Exactly what I was trying to say. Make your stats compliment the character you want to have.