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Illysia

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« Reply #630 on: October 01, 2013, 09:04:02 am »
Who knows... maybe one will find our DNA and bring us back from the dead just for shits and giggles.  ;D

And then promptly regret it. ;)

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« Reply #631 on: October 01, 2013, 09:50:26 am »
The Antikythera mechanism was an "astrological calculator".

The Baghdad Battery is more mysterious, but considering what it does, it isn't enough to postulate that past civilizations were as advanced as we are now.

It's likely that there were many inventions like these that have been lost to time. But due to a lack of communication, not many of these inventions would have a large enough impact to advance society to our level. The rarity of educated persons would have limited their use, as well.

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« Reply #632 on: October 01, 2013, 10:50:16 pm »
I was bored, so I decided to restore this photo of my old doggie. How'd I do?

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« Reply #633 on: October 01, 2013, 10:59:09 pm »
Well that's just it, we don't know exactly how far people developed tech, or how far around people were able to communicate. We have some concept of more recent cultures like Greeks, Romans and Egyptians but we have more intact records for them. There were cultures farther back that did some pretty amazing stuff and too much is lost for us to know how they did it. There is even a chance that they weren't as isolated from each other as people later were. Before the batteries and the mechanism there was no reason to believe that any of those cultures had advanced that far and finding those things doesn't mean we found the most advanced technology they had. If someone finds a telegraph machine a million years from now, that doesn't mean cell phones never existed.

But even in more recent times people often don't know how far people of other cultures got. I imagine most people have no idea who Zheng He is and the fact that he almost blew Christopher Columbus out the water for making it to the Americas... Petty emperor squashed that expedition though. :/ But he did make it as far as Africa on another expedition. What people know about the advances and achievements of people they have no connection to is typically very spotty.

But, yes, we have fabulous technology; yet, in many ways it is not allowed to affect society nearly as dramatically as it should. Yes we have the internet and can communicate around the world, but most people just use that to post cat pictures or argue with people in the comments section. That's not going to prove intelligence in the future if it even survives. Yes, we have advances in medical technology, but cures got blocked in favor of letting people stay sick so they have to pay for treatment. So when they examine the bones they are going to find a lot of people who could have been healthy but instead were diseased. True we can travel around the world, but that doesn't necessarily make people embrace and adopt elements other cultures any better. Which for all intents and purposes will make cultures look far more isolated than they were. A million years from now, the fact that you could Skype around the world could easily be lost with no trace of the infrastructure supporting it or the videos. Records and evidence can get lost at any point and the same thing could have already happened many times.

But I just have a hard time believing we invented being inquisitive and solving problems through advancements in knowledge within the last several centuries. If it occurred to us, chances are someone before us probably say something similar and had a similar idea whether they fully pulled it off or not.

I was bored, so I decided to restore this photo of my old doggie. How'd I do?

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« Reply #634 on: October 01, 2013, 11:18:53 pm »

The fact that technology would follow a bumpy path is no surprise. In the case of your machine thing there, it sounds like it was a nifty invention that just didn't take off. Perhaps there wasn't enough demand for it or someone to market it... *shrugs . I would call this a short lived spike - one of many.

To see where the trend is going, you need to step way back and ignore the little ripples, spikes and fluctuations and focus on the long term pattern. If you look at how things improved in the last 5 years, you might say that the word fell on its ass in many ways. Step back and look at the last 100 years, and you see a clear improvement.

What is deceptive about this is that you can't really predict where we will go based on the past. You can say that its likely that we'lll continue on our upward path, but we really don't know for sure.



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« Reply #635 on: October 01, 2013, 11:20:17 pm »
While you can't predict the future, human natures does present challenges that tend to be consistent. But sometimes it's overcome.

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« Reply #636 on: October 02, 2013, 01:24:50 am »
There is no evidence that past civilizations were more advanced than us. There is evidence, however, that they were not.

To be honest, Illysia, it sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about. Your agenda is seeping through. Your modern cynicism, lack of appreciation for our recent advances, and willful ignorance is a plague to humanity. And it's not a new thing. This type of cynicism has been around since our beginning.

People are oblivious to all of the amazing things around them. Ignoring temporal continuity, I would not be able to exist even fifty years ago.

We would be advancing much quicker if people would stop entertaining ideas as fantasies and start thinking of them as possible realities.
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« Reply #637 on: October 02, 2013, 01:37:18 am »
I think we have a couple of key things going for us.

1. We are physically different than we were a million or so years ago. In the event of a knowledge wipe, I think we could rebuild what is lost a good bit faster than a primitive gorilla-like human would have.

2. Say there was some terrible cataclysmic event that wiped our ability to power our computers and things got so ugly that our language and ability to read was lost. We would still have structures standing and an abundance of processed materials. We wouldn't be discovering Fire, Bronze and Iron all over again. We would see these things and be at minimum that much closer to knowing that they exist. We could learn from what already exists and attempt to reverse engineer it - which I think would go a lot faster than the discovery process.

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« Reply #638 on: October 02, 2013, 01:48:41 am »
possible realities?  you've seen the intenet right?  you sure you want those things becoming possible.  not to hate on any particular deviate group that make the internet their home, but are you sure you care to bring second life to real life?

a whole new meaning to a guy saying "shake that tail, gurl"

also, i like to refer to my buddy carl sagan and the subject of the future.  http://youtu.be/K1NqBEWS8DA
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« Reply #639 on: October 02, 2013, 03:52:47 am »

Inventing a way to get along with each other and live comfortably would be nice.

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« Reply #640 on: October 02, 2013, 04:01:32 am »
Yes, we have advances in medical technology, but cures got blocked in favor of letting people stay sick so they have to pay for treatment.

Out of curiosity, is there a particular case that you know of where this happened?

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« Reply #641 on: October 02, 2013, 04:37:41 am »

Inventing a way to get along with each other and live comfortably would be nice.

Done.  Next problem you need solved?

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« Reply #642 on: October 02, 2013, 04:39:49 am »
A warm place to shit?

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« Reply #643 on: October 02, 2013, 04:47:49 am »


inb4



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« Reply #644 on: October 02, 2013, 04:52:08 am »
See it ain't all kittehs, its bronides too!