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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2004, 10:11:11 am »
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But it is important to realize that the \"community\" is definitely a fluid, changing thing.  Holding on to the past because of its familiarity, and criticizing the present because of its lack of familiarity is not a recipe for satisfaction on a forum or in life.


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« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2004, 11:54:33 am »
I am not a prolific writer, therefore I will try to keep this short.  I have been reading posts on this forum now for several months and according to all definitions i?m a newbie. Furthermore, this will be my first post on this forum!! None the less, I felt compelled to add my two cents worth.
Nostalgia is a great thing but there is no future in it. Being an oldie is good but only if you use it to add depth and character to the community. Having newbies is important? without them there would be no oldies? and they may/will add more depth and character to the community. It is the interaction between members, whether new or old, that make a community. Both the members and the community are ?living? things that evolve and are ever changing. I think an important job the oldies can/should take upon themselves is to see that the evolution takes on a positive (which can mean a lot of different thing to different people) directions by guiding and setting example.  
At last, I would like to say that not all oldies appear to me to be so beneficial to the community and not all newbies so detrimental. In fact I think that even a few of the oldies actually like having some of us newbies around.

Well I wasn?t too successful in keeping this short but at least I got that of my chest.
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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2004, 12:01:45 pm »
Well, my opinion on all this:

I bet even at the old days there were talks about older days. I can see it in the game I\'m creating with some guys. We\'re now two years down in development -- around beta -- and I was part of it since a year and a half. Well, I am not considered an oldbie, because there were people part of the development for 3 months longer. Anyway for the newbies were just all oldbies, cos they only joined 3 months ago, and a year seems so long.

This is quite the same in PS. The members who are here for over a year are considered equally an oldbie by the newbies as the players of old who have more than two years behind their account.

And don\'t forget that while talking bout the old days, you\'re talking about your own newbie times. I think everyone looks back at those times with nostalgy. So much to explore, such a future ahead. When I joined the game in august I simply loved it and played it countless hours. Recently I\'m picking up again with regular visits, this time not as an exploring newbie, but to help newer members around, give them the experience you had. I might in no way be an oldbie with my six months, but I think I come close to being one, and I think the real definition of an oldbie would be someone who can answer most experiences around PS with: \"been there, done that\".

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Saz: Heh dad, nice reasoning, it is indeed true that the current oldbies have never been newbies, because there were too few oldbies.

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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2004, 12:19:55 pm »
Time in cyberspace has this whole mysterious offset from reality, it really doesn\'t make much sense.  None of you are old, because this project is not old; unless you count it\'s origins sometime last millenium, which I don\'t think any of you were there.  Given the scope of the project, which extends an unforseen number of years into the future, nobody should be even considered a veteran of this for at least a few more years.  Think of it like a professional sports scale of time for how long you\'ve been there.  This is just an infant league, so everyone is still a rookie.
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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2004, 01:07:44 pm »
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But i do have one thing to say about crystal blue. Really its going to HAVE to be a dissapointment. After 2 months tops its going to feel like molecular blue. Theres no way around it. Then nearing the next release (whatever-blue) people will ask the same questions all over again (when is the due date?, when is this feature going to be implemented?, how do I crouch?) and some of us are going to be sitting in our chairs thinking \"I remember when that was asked before crystal blue and even molecular blue\".

No, no, no Whemy! (You don\'t mind if I disagree with your opinion for a moment here do you? ;)) CB will not be a disappointment by any stretch of the imagination.
It is true that the same questions will get asked and that nearing the next release we will have a repeat of the situation we have now - it happens for each release, for a time there is lots of interesting discussion on the new version and many new people, which eventually gives way to us constantly asking when we are going to get a new version. It\'s just the nature of people to naturally want more I guess. But that stage is thankfully a long way off.

But placing a maximum 2 month life on CB is naive. You underestimate the impact of CB and what it will bring, as I\'m sure you would have underestimated the change from AB to MB. I can still log in to Molecular Blue and have a great time while I\'m there, after nearly a year of playing, surely that is testament to what we have here. Not bad for a tech demo now is it :P

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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2004, 02:31:59 pm »
Wow! This thread is good reading for motivation.

All I can think of this is.. Why?     :D  Can anyone explain to me what the hell ppl were doing here even before AB?
There most have been something special that pulled you guys into it.

sorry for posting here without being a oldbie (1 year only), but I got to know.
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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2004, 03:34:42 pm »
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All I can think of this is.. Why?  Can anyone explain to me what the hell ppl were doing here even before AB?


We came here that early on because we saw the potential of PS.  We knew from that point that it was going to ba fun game.  And once we started interacting we had enough fun on the forums alone that it brought us back day after day.

Venge, I don\'t think that the mods have gotten any worse.  There\'s just more people now and there are less mods.  It\'s too much for just Moogie to handle and you are rarely around.  But as much as I give you guys a hard time I appreciate what you guys are doing.  If I didn\'t, I wouldn\'t have stuck around this long.

Whemy, shut up.

As I\'ve said before we don\'t hate the newer players.  I mean without them PS wouldn\'t be here.  We just hate the newer players that are immature, which there are a lot of.  Players like Davis and Levski and sit here and have an intelligent conversation with the older players.  So I respect them for that.[/COLOR]

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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2004, 05:01:27 pm »
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But i do have one thing to say about crystal blue. Really its going to HAVE to be a dissapointment. After 2 months tops its going to feel like molecular blue.


I definitely disagree with that.  CB might not even be the full game yet, but you can\'t rate a work-in-progress like PS like you would a normal game.  For one thing, I think the community definitely makes up for the game being in its early stages.  For another, just like you guys said, CB will bring in flood of morons, but it will also bring in a flood of nice, interesting people.

Imho, us newbies or midbies or whatever also see the potential of the game.  I mean, there is a point where you say enough crystal hunting.  But its the idea of the game and the community that makes us stick around.  Not to mention the older players who usually spice things up a bit for us.

Edit:  Niber, I\'ve only been here for two months ;).
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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2004, 05:50:56 pm »
Note :  this post is too long, you should just skip it ;)

Well, I\'ve been reading this thread and found it really interesting. It starts as a nostalgic reminder about the old times back to AB (a normal thing), then we see some ?oldbies? discussing about how much things have change since that time, and finally I read some discussions about who can call himself an oldbie, and who can not. This is where it disturbs me a bit. I?ve been playing this game since April, so now I?m about 10 months old, and I?ve been ingame regularly since then. I think you might consider me a ?midbie? (people like to classify each other, probably to feel like a part of a sub-community, though to me it appears more like setting up pointless barriers between them, but anyway). According to this thread, I consider that I could not be ranked as a newbie, but not as an oldbie either. It probably gives me a more objective opinion, so I thought this post was worth writing.

It is certain that as time passes, the number of newbies increases, and the ?quality? is not always the same as it used to be. This might be because when you guys started, you had been looking for such a game a long time, whereas now most people just find it randomly and decide to give it a try. So maybe these newcomers are less? hmmm? ?serious? (not all of them, of course). But there is nothing we can do to change that. As old players, most of you left the game (I mean that you are not ingame) for different, and understandable, reasons; and now, you may feel like the game is being ruled by newcomers who do not know you or even remember that you were here long before. You have known funny times in AB that will not come back, but it doesn?t mean that the new generation is spoiling these times. It has bring several news ideas, and if the fun now is different, it is still fun. How many of you guys have ever enjoyed a tavern or temple party, a climbing on the temple or in the cage, a game of hide&seek, and so on? This players have bring things to the game, with or without you, so I doubt that they consider themselves not as respectable as you are.

By calling yourselves oldbies, I feel like you are in fact trying to tell the other players that they must have respect and consideration for you, which I understand. However, you can not ask others to consider you as a reference and an elder just because you were there as the beginning of the game. Consideration is not something you can claim, it is something that you earn, you know that already. Also, being an old timer must not be a comfortable title you can rely on, it implies responsibilities, too : you have to transmit the game\'s values if you don\'t want them to get lost. Newcomers have consideration for those who helped them when they started the game, those who showed them how and why they liked this game so much, those who, in a way, are a part of the ?soul? of the game, regardless how long they have been playing. These players were taught by older players, and now they know that it is their role to pass on what they have learned, and to adapt it, because it is sometimes necessary. All of us have seen people being asked to watch their language at least once, for example. If no one had told them to, things would already be different.

Ow my post is so long, I am sorry ;). The point of what I have written is that you should not watch the newcomers coming and look down on them, for they would feel depreciated; but rather welcome them and show them how it is. It is hard, yes, but it is surely worth the pain. If the newcomers feel that they are excluded, they will form their own community, which could be better or worse, who can tell, but it would create tensions. Having a single united community is surely better : when someone come with bad intentions (cheating, insulting?) and see that everyone condemn his actions, he will not stay, most of the time (it is probably more complicated than that, but this is a good start). In such a community no one would need to say that he is an oldbie for others to respect him, they would already know him by reputation or, better, personally.

Now if an old timer feels like his name was forgotten and can not come back in the game, he must not consider it as definitive. The forum is a good way to keep up with the community, and when they will eventually come back, they will meet again old friends, and new ones. We all have an embittered grandfather who always complain how the youths have no respect for their elders, you wouldn\'t want to become something similar, now would you ;)?

p.s. My ingame character is Mayia, but it won\'t send me the registration mail on the first adress I gave :(

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« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2004, 06:26:49 pm »
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people like to classify each other, probably to feel like a part of a sub-community, though to me it appears more like setting up pointless barriers between them, but anyway


That is a good point, it totally skipped my mind.  But I think that the reason that it was invented (all the classifications) was precisely that there were too many people.  Everyone is still a member of the PS community, but there are now different groups of friends.  Its like we are all one big family, but everyone has their own favorite siblings, while you communicate with everyone.

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You have known funny times in AB that will not come back, but it doesn?t mean that the new generation is spoiling these times. It has bring several news ideas, and if the fun now is different, it is still fun. How many of you guys have ever enjoyed a tavern or temple party, a climbing on the temple or in the cage, a game of hide&seek, and so on? This players have bring things to the game, with or without you, so I doubt that they consider themselves not as respectable as you are.


Another good point, something else that I took for granted but didnt check to see if they did it before.  Also, you forgot to mention the ingame weddings and families.  For instance Bora and Saz are married, and Phosphus is their son.  But I disagree with you on your last sentence.  I respect the older players not just because they have been here longer, but because they have stuck to the game.  They haven\'t gotten pissed of at the annoying players and just left the game.  They stuck to it, they made it more interesting, and they tried to add more flavor to it.  And they succeeded.  Look at Aendar\'s restarted guild, in example.  How many new players think through their guilds like that?  How many new players have the courage to only let one race in, considering that it may hamper their political aims and strengths?  It goes to show that without a certain type of player, PS would just be a bunch of babbling crystal hunters who only care about getting rich.

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By calling yourselves oldbies, I feel like you are in fact trying to tell the other players that they must have respect and consideration for you, which I understand........ Also, being an old timer must not be a comfortable title you can rely on, it implies responsibilities, too : you have to transmit the game\'s values if you don\'t want them to get lost.


I think that by calling themselves oldbies they are trying to form a tradition here in PS.  They are trying to influence newer players to become the type of player who gives spice to the game, as I mentioned earlier.  Also,  the oldies are in no way running from their responsibilities (that is how I understood your statement Mayia), in fact, they are thriving on them.  Aendar, Kada, and all the other ones do show new players the ways of PS, the newbies that are willing to listen, anyways.  Also, by making their guilds invite only, they create a new aspect of the game to strive for, not just crystal hunting.  And in the newer players road to become a part of one of these \'exclusive\' guilds, they become someone who is reliable, trustworthy, and fun to be around.
 

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All of us have seen people being asked to watch their language at least once, for example. If no one had told them to, things would already be different.


Exactly.

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Having a single united community is surely better : when someone come with bad intentions (cheating, insulting?) and see that everyone condemn his actions, he will not stay, most of the time (it is probably more complicated than that, but this is a good start). In such a community no one would need to say that he is an oldbie for others to respect him, they would already know him by reputation or, better, personally.


But everyone would respect the older players nonetheless, because they would be the ones that created this community, and the ones that help out the newer players.  But I do believe that one single united community is better than dozens of subcommunities.

Ok, sry everyone for posting a really long message after a really long message.....

I\'d just like to say one last thing.  Up until a few weeks ago, I had no clue that there were people as old as 2 years here.  When I did find that out, it just rocked my Planeshift world........ ;)
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« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2004, 09:18:07 pm »
\"The oldbies (us) joined to have fun. We joined because of the roleplaying aspect of a game that had to be in development for about a year before it even had the looks of a game.\" Yea, I am happy you finally saw that my queen.
 I have to say that until now I entered in PS only 2 - 3 times ... and is not only me who did that.
 And almost everything you\'ve all said is true (well except of the noobs), but think a little. I used to think like this, maybe forever I will have in my mind this com. split in 2 parts. And for me the ones I\'ve first met here will be oldbies, and the rest newbs. But this isn\'t right ... why we shouldn\'t have a single com. ? A united one?
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« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2004, 09:42:46 pm »
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And almost everything you\'ve all said is true (well except of the noobs), but think a little. I used to think like this, maybe forever I will have in my mind this com. split in 2 parts. And for me the ones I\'ve first met here will be oldbies, and the rest newbs. But this isn\'t right ... why we shouldn\'t have a single com. ? A united one?


Right...... so how have us newbies been wrong?  See that\'s one of the problems.  Oldbies dismissing a lot of the newbies just because of their status.

But, we are one single united community, it\'s just that not many people realize it, or want to realize it...
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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2004, 09:55:31 pm »
Windwalker pouts \" not fair you guys all left when just when i first came, would have been great to know more of you instead of only the few that i do know.... kada, golbez, annah, link  :P , and the rest of u know who you are.... i think....\"

The good old days of playing...

PS according to my join date on the forums im not that old but ive been watching you for .... ever scince i got my first computer....3 years ago.. i think    im getting old i cant remember
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« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2004, 11:16:30 pm »
Hmm 3 year oldies??  Now thats a feat!

But windwalker, don\'t complain, because I joined about 10 months after you! :(  At least Aendar and Kada are still here.  I\'ve seen Golbez around too, I think.
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« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2004, 11:25:04 pm »
A lot of the older people, like Golbez, hang around Kada\'s forums, you could go there...