Author Topic: Poll finds 40% of Canadian teens view USA as 'evil'  (Read 9005 times)

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« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2004, 09:11:53 pm »
OMG don\'t bring Rush Limbaugh into this!! He has nothing to do with this entire conversation.  I respect Rush as one of the most perceptive commentators around right now, but he has absolutely NOTHING to do with the conversation.  By bringing his admittedly volitile name into this conversation, you\'ve further polarized your audience and caused many to completely stop listening to you (if they already hadn\'t).  Rush  Limbaugh has little to say about this subject except that the US was a big player in the war.

Note: I\'ve been following this thread for some time with some measure of amusement.  With this tactical blunder and unfortunate use of a controversial name that I happen to respect, I had to step forward and say something.

Edit: Limbaugh\'s name seems to have been edited out of the previous comment while I was typing this.  Please fogive, eh?

Edit2: Cryha, I\'m a pretty hard-core conservative too, but what you\'re doing is not helping your cause at all.  Fanaticism and hypocracy don\'t mix well.  A reasoned discussion would be nice.
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« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2004, 09:17:42 pm »
Rush Limbaugh has just as balanced a perspective as the \"liberal media\".  It\'s all people with very strong , almost \"traditional\" viewpoints either way whether you\'re a Democrat or a Republican.

What Americans see as the actions of their government (whether they agree or disagree) other people in other nations will inevitably relate that to the people as a whole.  I know I can create a negative stereotype of an American in my mind, and in some ways it matches how their government is percieved by the liberal media.

But anyone who thinks that this stereotype represents \"the typical American\" misses out on several hundred million unique people, each with their own strenghts, weaknesses, opinions, beliefs...  In Canada it\'s very easy to say that we \"hate\" America, but I don\'t think very many of us know what that means, and if we did, we\'d probably say it a lot less.
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« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2004, 09:23:53 pm »
I have to admit that I\'m an American, but I really don\'t think of myself as such.  I think of myself as a person in a world of people, separate from the governing systems over them.  I think I can honestly say that there isn\'t any nationality I feel any dislike or superiority towards.  That doesn\'t mean I don\'t make Canada jokes... They\'re kinda like Iowa jokes, only imported. ;)

dfryer: You are the cool voice of reason in this conversation.  Thank you for that.

Edit: Just to say, I think governments in general stink.  I think they should just keep out of my life as much as possible.  About the only use I have for the government is public protection from invasion and defense of very very  basic rights.
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« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2004, 11:06:57 pm »
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No I don\'t have to go away and I will not go away because this is a free country.


Erm..... World Wide Web....

Cryha, could you please seperate your posts into smaller paragraphs?  It would ease the strain on our eyes :).

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« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2004, 11:11:15 pm »
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OMG don\'t bring Rush Limbaugh into this!!
Cyrandir said this, i dont know Rush Limbaugh, im assuming you guys (Namely Cryha) are wrapped up in Americanism. Well Im a laid back kinda person and dont care, i also give people fair chances, which is why i treat people the same.
Anyways, why i dont care for this anymore is strictly because I am Canadian and don\'t give a rat\'s ass!

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« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2004, 12:24:30 am »
Please allow me to point out that the survey was done on \"teens\".  That is to say, people of ages between and including 13-19.  These are a particulary uninformed and problematic group, with failures to properly perceive reality, and the effects that come with it.  They proclaim themselves anarchists without knowing the meaning of the word, or thinking about its effects.  Also note that 60% of those surveyed did not view the USA as \'evil\'.

Remember, don\'t judge people by their governments.  We have a very vocal group of Democrats here who lost by a thread last time, and they certainly didn\'t want to go to Iraq, etc...

Bah, why can\'t we return to the days of economic conservatives who were social moderates?
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« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2004, 12:59:05 am »
Hm, \"economically conservative\" and \"socially moderate\" are very loaded terms IMO, i.e. they represent not just the principles of conservativism/moderation, but the associated policies and ideas of groups who support them.  

With regards to judging people by their government, in many cases (especially, but not limited to authoritarian regimes) the actions of the government are contrary to the wishes and/or interests of the people.  On the other hand, government does not exist in a vacuum, so there has to be *some* group of people (however small) who are instrumental in making those decisions.  Some are very aware of the implications; others make decisions based on the truth as they know it.  Can we condemn people who in all honesty believe they are acting in the best interests of the people they are responsible for?  What about people who think that things aren\'t right but do nothing except confer among like-minded people and agree that \"things could be done better\"?  The only people who I can really label as \"bad\" are people who knowingly acted in their own self interest to the detriment of others.  

I think we all sometimes make decisions that fit us into that last category.

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They proclaim themselves anarchists without knowing the meaning of the word


They meaning all teens? :P  It could be said that much of the population is \"uninformed and problematic\", or you could categorize older people as \"self satisfied and inflexible\".  In many cases, you wouldn\'t be right about the majority of the people you\'re categorizing.  Still, young people in general have a tendency towards making decisions and changing opinions very rapidly, and that probably leads to the knee-jerk \"hatred\" of America.
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« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2004, 01:43:10 am »
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 No the US was the direct force that caused the winning of the war you know why? Because the US had more money, more men, more arms, and better weapons. Who created the B-17? Who created the B-29? Who created the P-52? Who lost more men than any other country and probably more than all countries combined?


I don\'t want to disregard what US did in WW2, but this is complete bullshit. The main battle was on eastern front between Germany and Soviet union. Did US loose several millions of people ? I don\'t really think so.

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« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2004, 01:54:42 am »
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 No the US was the direct force that caused the winning of the war you know why? Because the US had more money, more men, more arms, and better weapons. Who created the B-17? Who created the B-29? Who created the P-52? Who lost more men than any other country and probably more than all countries combined?


I don\'t want to disregard what US did in WW2, but this is complete bullshit. The main battle was on eastern front between Germany and Soviet union. Did US loose several millions of people ? I don\'t really think so.


Absolutely. The Soviets lost (last I heard) nearly 20 million people in the war - more civilians than soldiers. The battles in the eastern front (especially the battle in Stalingrad and the massive tank/artillery battle at Kursk) literally decimated the German ranks and broke the heavy Panzer divisions.

BTW, here\'s one of many many references you posters can use to back up your claims regarding the Second World War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2
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« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2004, 11:55:25 am »
Cool site Kbilik.

And I believe Monketh is describing the majority ;)

Oh and go Tangerine W00T
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« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2004, 02:58:08 am »
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They proclaim themselves anarchists without knowing the meaning of the word

True.
But i question whether the majority of the population know the meaning?
People say it is Anti-Christ...
WRONG!! It\'s anti-government just ask the very united punk scene.
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« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2004, 03:44:16 am »
To the former part of your post:
We never said it was \"Anti-christ\".  We\'re not idiots.

To the latter part: I won\'t even respond to that.  You\'re?...
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« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2004, 02:09:13 am »
Nobody here did but I believe he is saying that others do :).  And maybe your not an idiot but....there are those that are, they usualy call themselves gods :P
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« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2004, 04:53:35 am »
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teens also represent tomorrows country so if 40% think the usa is \"evil\" well than i guess we wont be best friends with the states for some time.... not that we are now, where just a dumping ground and a military test site... and free lumber.... and a home for that 1 mile titon sub that has nuclear weapons that tipped my boat up the coast and i learnt that the canadian goverment ignores because they cant exactly do anything about it.....


Half_Pint comes from vancouver too?> lets meet somewhere and go beat up some usa tourists shall we?


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« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2004, 04:32:07 pm »
...that wasn\'t stupidity, that was funny :P
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