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Granted or negated Wishes / Trading items P2P.
« on: January 06, 2002, 05:07:55 pm »
There must be a way of trading items between players, WITHOUT having the need of dropping money and items.
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Wish list / Experience for roleplay
« on: January 06, 2002, 05:04:31 pm »
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LyssiahStormWhisperer
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 04:52 GMT
This is the first of many wishes I hope to present to the GM\'s of this proposed game.
Far too many rpg\'s require killing as the one source of \"leveling up\" a character, outside of skills.
I wish this game grant experience based on roleplay. No, not the kind that an NPC gives a quest then you bring certain items
and the quest is complete.
I do understand this will require the watchful eye of the GM team to maintain characters to be on the lookout for roleplayers and
the ability to grant experience based on how much effort is put into roleplaying a character. However, even in the D&D guides,
DM\'s are given the ability to award experience based on more than hack and slash through a given quest. Sometimes, if a
character thinks through as task without bloodshed, he/she may find other ways of solving it. After all, we are not all barbarians.
I am envisioning a daily romp through the land by a GM character at random spots and random times. Perhaps a drunken man in
the corner of a tavern, or a muttering old crone in a library. Depending on who interacts with him/her, they can be granted
experience points, even for at least trying. Heck, even have the GM watch a certain area on the map and for each show of
roleplay, grant a blanket amount of experience in a given area, such as a church.
This won\'t impose on a GM\'s time. It will also enhance the use of roleplay, since one can never know if the person is being
watched.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 31-10-2001 10:13 GMT
Great idea! It could also be combined with my idea of implementing characters in-game that played a certain role in history. An
old man sitting in the corner of a tavern could actually be a high level wizard that has battled against a rage of trolls long before
the game actually started. This will mean that the PC hasn\'t been in this battle for real, but roleplays like he has. He could even
have a mayor role in an old book in the library.
GM\'s could play such characters, divide xp and maintain some order in the game too. (as for they are of extremely high level,
they can easily dispose of PKers and players that disbehave themselves.)
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 01-11-2001 03:53 GMT
I personally like the idea, and it is my personal preference. I would love to be a player of that nature, as when I roleplay, I *really*
roleplay. I agree with you that players that roleplay in nother manner than just hack and slash should be able to be rewarded as
well.
ParaSite
Guest
posted 04-11-2001 22:58 GMT
In Baldurs Gate, you get XP for completing quests, no matter how u complete it. The amount of XP gained is much more then u
get for plain killing. Most XP is gained when u solve a quest and everybody involved is happy
Shadow
Guest
posted 02-01-2001 00:34 GMT
*Bump*
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-01-2001 14:03 GMT
This is very interesting... Would GMs have the ability to reward people with XP in game? That would be great.
stickman
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 04:34 GMT
i dont think that would really work
favoratism would come into affect!
say lil me is from some weirdo time-zone that no GM is... how am i suppose to get XP from roleplaying? Also, who\'s to say who
gets how much experience from roleplaying... say im trying really hard killing monsters 24/7 trying to lvl up... then some guy
comes along who barely plays and barely roleplays just happens to run into a GM and gets exp for it? How could u judge who is
doing more work if it is done on a random basis?
one guy could be pooring his heart out trying to roleplay and another joe smoe could just get lucky.
one thing i dont understand is why u would want to do exp like this anyway. i could simply be roleplaying saying im some great
warrior whos neva been defeated. but its all just talk. whereas the person who actualy is lvling up is really living the tale u just
told. roleplaying takes like 2 seconds to BS something, DOing what u say is another matter..
the way u guys are looking at it is that roleplaying is like the opposite of lvling up. But thats not true, lvling up is just progressing
in the game. Its not like people who lvl up dont roleplay. there is always room for both. I dont see why some person who talks all
day long should get any exp when they could be lvling up and STILL roleplaying. Its not like u cant do both.
Bigfoot
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 06:06 GMT
PlaneScape Torment is a perfect example of this... there are many situations where a player gains EXp from verbal quests, and
none lethal means. not to mention the odd situation where you can talk your way out of a potentialy hostile situation and gain far
more EXp from the peacefull outcome than from going in swords swinging (Althopugh that is to compensate for loseing the
chance of recieving a magical weapon or item).
The main thing is to make them random, diverse and none exploitable.
Shadow
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 14:59 GMT
What we are talking about here is to try to make powergaming a less rewarding thing than roleplaying.
To use dialog options as more rewarding than killing sprees is a very good idea and also much more fun.
How fun is it to walk around and kill everything in sight.
stickman
Guest
posted 04-01-2001 07:51 GMT
its accually really fun...
i see what u 2 are saying about picking non violent options, thats fine, but thats what i kinda call quests where they are set up or
whatever that isn\'t roleplaying...
the thing i dont like is people giving other people EXP.
LyssiahStormWhisperer
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 04:52 GMT
This is the first of many wishes I hope to present to the GM\'s of this proposed game.
Far too many rpg\'s require killing as the one source of \"leveling up\" a character, outside of skills.
I wish this game grant experience based on roleplay. No, not the kind that an NPC gives a quest then you bring certain items
and the quest is complete.
I do understand this will require the watchful eye of the GM team to maintain characters to be on the lookout for roleplayers and
the ability to grant experience based on how much effort is put into roleplaying a character. However, even in the D&D guides,
DM\'s are given the ability to award experience based on more than hack and slash through a given quest. Sometimes, if a
character thinks through as task without bloodshed, he/she may find other ways of solving it. After all, we are not all barbarians.
I am envisioning a daily romp through the land by a GM character at random spots and random times. Perhaps a drunken man in
the corner of a tavern, or a muttering old crone in a library. Depending on who interacts with him/her, they can be granted
experience points, even for at least trying. Heck, even have the GM watch a certain area on the map and for each show of
roleplay, grant a blanket amount of experience in a given area, such as a church.
This won\'t impose on a GM\'s time. It will also enhance the use of roleplay, since one can never know if the person is being
watched.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 31-10-2001 10:13 GMT
Great idea! It could also be combined with my idea of implementing characters in-game that played a certain role in history. An
old man sitting in the corner of a tavern could actually be a high level wizard that has battled against a rage of trolls long before
the game actually started. This will mean that the PC hasn\'t been in this battle for real, but roleplays like he has. He could even
have a mayor role in an old book in the library.
GM\'s could play such characters, divide xp and maintain some order in the game too. (as for they are of extremely high level,
they can easily dispose of PKers and players that disbehave themselves.)
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 01-11-2001 03:53 GMT
I personally like the idea, and it is my personal preference. I would love to be a player of that nature, as when I roleplay, I *really*
roleplay. I agree with you that players that roleplay in nother manner than just hack and slash should be able to be rewarded as
well.
ParaSite
Guest
posted 04-11-2001 22:58 GMT
In Baldurs Gate, you get XP for completing quests, no matter how u complete it. The amount of XP gained is much more then u
get for plain killing. Most XP is gained when u solve a quest and everybody involved is happy
Shadow
Guest
posted 02-01-2001 00:34 GMT
*Bump*
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-01-2001 14:03 GMT
This is very interesting... Would GMs have the ability to reward people with XP in game? That would be great.
stickman
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 04:34 GMT
i dont think that would really work
favoratism would come into affect!
say lil me is from some weirdo time-zone that no GM is... how am i suppose to get XP from roleplaying? Also, who\'s to say who
gets how much experience from roleplaying... say im trying really hard killing monsters 24/7 trying to lvl up... then some guy
comes along who barely plays and barely roleplays just happens to run into a GM and gets exp for it? How could u judge who is
doing more work if it is done on a random basis?
one guy could be pooring his heart out trying to roleplay and another joe smoe could just get lucky.
one thing i dont understand is why u would want to do exp like this anyway. i could simply be roleplaying saying im some great
warrior whos neva been defeated. but its all just talk. whereas the person who actualy is lvling up is really living the tale u just
told. roleplaying takes like 2 seconds to BS something, DOing what u say is another matter..
the way u guys are looking at it is that roleplaying is like the opposite of lvling up. But thats not true, lvling up is just progressing
in the game. Its not like people who lvl up dont roleplay. there is always room for both. I dont see why some person who talks all
day long should get any exp when they could be lvling up and STILL roleplaying. Its not like u cant do both.
Bigfoot
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 06:06 GMT
PlaneScape Torment is a perfect example of this... there are many situations where a player gains EXp from verbal quests, and
none lethal means. not to mention the odd situation where you can talk your way out of a potentialy hostile situation and gain far
more EXp from the peacefull outcome than from going in swords swinging (Althopugh that is to compensate for loseing the
chance of recieving a magical weapon or item).
The main thing is to make them random, diverse and none exploitable.
Shadow
Guest
posted 03-01-2001 14:59 GMT
What we are talking about here is to try to make powergaming a less rewarding thing than roleplaying.
To use dialog options as more rewarding than killing sprees is a very good idea and also much more fun.
How fun is it to walk around and kill everything in sight.
stickman
Guest
posted 04-01-2001 07:51 GMT
its accually really fun...
i see what u 2 are saying about picking non violent options, thats fine, but thats what i kinda call quests where they are set up or
whatever that isn\'t roleplaying...
the thing i dont like is people giving other people EXP.
243
Wish list / In game use of voice- bards
« on: January 06, 2002, 05:03:35 pm »
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Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 23-10-2001 11:43 GMT
I know, in game use of a voice-system requires a lot of bandwith, but it might be restricted to certain characters. This characters
could be BARDS. I think it would be sweet if bards could give shows at inns and at market places. They could make more
rediculous moves when getting a higher level, and combine the moves in their own way. They could tell stories (which they can
read in the library) and jokes. You might have the idea that nobody will stay in an inn and listen to a bard, but when he is good
enough, he can get audience (also by posting the hours of his show at public plaza). After the show a bard could ask for money
from his public. Bards could only communicate by voice with other bards, because nobody else is capable of talking in game
(other players can only hear them and say things back by typing). Because of their high charisma, and their ability to shout
quick commands to their partymembers, bards can be excellent leaders.
Bards have bad fighting skills, and do not (or hardly) get better at it when getting a higher level.
Thekkur
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 24-10-2001 11:39 GMT
bump
Hory
Guest
posted 24-10-2001 16:49 GMT
i don\'t agree to the voice thing... they could simply type jokes and who likes them would give money to them, and depending on
the level, they would have more commands available
Buechler
Guest
posted 25-10-2001 04:08 GMT
I agree with Hory that would take up an unnessecary amount of time and bandwidth. Remember that this is a free game and that
the developers don\'t have unlimited bandwidth.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 25-10-2001 00:33 GMT
That\'s true, but it would only be bards who would have the option to communicate by voice. Because of the fact that they cannot
fight very well I think there will not be many people who will play one, so they are not that bandwith consuming. It wouldn\'t be a
matter of just typing jokes, (not very likely that you get money from players then)
you would be able to prepare a show, with music, tricks (the special abilities a bard can learn over time) and jokes. That would
be something you could post an announcement for on the public plaza. It would take some time programming the bard, but you
get something for it. (entertainment by fellow players, something that you don\'t see in other RPG\'s.)
Thekkur
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 29-10-2001 13:00 GMT
There\'s a workaround to this.
We can use direct communication between players. If someone want to talk also with voice to other players he can establish a
direct connection. This will be not the same as hearing anyone talking in a street, but will solve the bandwidth problem.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 29-10-2001 17:46 GMT
It will also eliminate the fun of listening to a bard
Thekkur
LyssiahStormWhisperer
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 05:02 GMT
What a great suggestion, I must say.
How about this to help workaround the bandwith problem (Under the assumption, of course, that this game will already have
certain sound effects anyway):
1. Bards will have the option of learning instruments/songs.
2. Depending on the mastery of skill at each level, a certain song/instrument can be heard server-wide or area-wide. These
songs/instrument sounds are already programmed into the game, in the same way as a magic spell is programmed, with the
addition of a wav/midi file. After all, some games provide their sound effects via a short wav/midi as it is.
3. Since the sound/song is already in the game, it won\'t drain the bandwith, won\'t require direct connection, will have the players
in an area \"hear\" the bard\'s entertainment, and enhance roleplayability of that proposed character.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 09:42 GMT
When you reach a certain level you should also be able to compose your own songs...
whitti
Guest
posted 02-11-2001 05:27 GMT
neat LyssiahStormWhisperer that is a wonderful idea! I think that staff (other than me) should check this out. Catalyst...maybe
this would require sending in a file to admin and he/she inserting it into the game via the next patch. Although I think Catalyst
your Idea is 2 complicated.
Whitti WTB PR member
ParaSite
Guest
posted 04-11-2001 22:39 GMT
In Half-Life (a fps) they\'ve introduced voice chat lately. I dunno how they do it, but it takes hardly any bandwith. maybe...
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 05-11-2001 01:23 GMT
That\'s true, but 32 players chatting is a lot much less than 1000 players chatting... And it\'s no fun being a bard when everybody
ca talk. That\'s why I thin that only enabling bards to chat is manageble.
Thekkur
ifritnet
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 20:42 GMT
Yeah, but it\'s not fair...
Dwinney
Guest
posted 03-12-2001 05:29 GMT
It IS fair, after all bards have lousy fighting skills.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 23-10-2001 11:43 GMT
I know, in game use of a voice-system requires a lot of bandwith, but it might be restricted to certain characters. This characters
could be BARDS. I think it would be sweet if bards could give shows at inns and at market places. They could make more
rediculous moves when getting a higher level, and combine the moves in their own way. They could tell stories (which they can
read in the library) and jokes. You might have the idea that nobody will stay in an inn and listen to a bard, but when he is good
enough, he can get audience (also by posting the hours of his show at public plaza). After the show a bard could ask for money
from his public. Bards could only communicate by voice with other bards, because nobody else is capable of talking in game
(other players can only hear them and say things back by typing). Because of their high charisma, and their ability to shout
quick commands to their partymembers, bards can be excellent leaders.
Bards have bad fighting skills, and do not (or hardly) get better at it when getting a higher level.
Thekkur
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 24-10-2001 11:39 GMT
bump
Hory
Guest
posted 24-10-2001 16:49 GMT
i don\'t agree to the voice thing... they could simply type jokes and who likes them would give money to them, and depending on
the level, they would have more commands available
Buechler
Guest
posted 25-10-2001 04:08 GMT
I agree with Hory that would take up an unnessecary amount of time and bandwidth. Remember that this is a free game and that
the developers don\'t have unlimited bandwidth.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 25-10-2001 00:33 GMT
That\'s true, but it would only be bards who would have the option to communicate by voice. Because of the fact that they cannot
fight very well I think there will not be many people who will play one, so they are not that bandwith consuming. It wouldn\'t be a
matter of just typing jokes, (not very likely that you get money from players then)
you would be able to prepare a show, with music, tricks (the special abilities a bard can learn over time) and jokes. That would
be something you could post an announcement for on the public plaza. It would take some time programming the bard, but you
get something for it. (entertainment by fellow players, something that you don\'t see in other RPG\'s.)
Thekkur
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 29-10-2001 13:00 GMT
There\'s a workaround to this.
We can use direct communication between players. If someone want to talk also with voice to other players he can establish a
direct connection. This will be not the same as hearing anyone talking in a street, but will solve the bandwidth problem.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 29-10-2001 17:46 GMT
It will also eliminate the fun of listening to a bard
Thekkur
LyssiahStormWhisperer
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 05:02 GMT
What a great suggestion, I must say.
How about this to help workaround the bandwith problem (Under the assumption, of course, that this game will already have
certain sound effects anyway):
1. Bards will have the option of learning instruments/songs.
2. Depending on the mastery of skill at each level, a certain song/instrument can be heard server-wide or area-wide. These
songs/instrument sounds are already programmed into the game, in the same way as a magic spell is programmed, with the
addition of a wav/midi file. After all, some games provide their sound effects via a short wav/midi as it is.
3. Since the sound/song is already in the game, it won\'t drain the bandwith, won\'t require direct connection, will have the players
in an area \"hear\" the bard\'s entertainment, and enhance roleplayability of that proposed character.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 31-10-2001 09:42 GMT
When you reach a certain level you should also be able to compose your own songs...
whitti
Guest
posted 02-11-2001 05:27 GMT
neat LyssiahStormWhisperer that is a wonderful idea! I think that staff (other than me) should check this out. Catalyst...maybe
this would require sending in a file to admin and he/she inserting it into the game via the next patch. Although I think Catalyst
your Idea is 2 complicated.
Whitti WTB PR member
ParaSite
Guest
posted 04-11-2001 22:39 GMT
In Half-Life (a fps) they\'ve introduced voice chat lately. I dunno how they do it, but it takes hardly any bandwith. maybe...
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 05-11-2001 01:23 GMT
That\'s true, but 32 players chatting is a lot much less than 1000 players chatting... And it\'s no fun being a bard when everybody
ca talk. That\'s why I thin that only enabling bards to chat is manageble.
Thekkur
ifritnet
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 20:42 GMT
Yeah, but it\'s not fair...
Dwinney
Guest
posted 03-12-2001 05:29 GMT
It IS fair, after all bards have lousy fighting skills.
244
Wish list / Simple government system
« on: January 06, 2002, 05:01:43 pm »
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Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 02:46 GMT
MAybe an option for a government system is that hero\'s (players with a level higher than 25) could make himself eligible for a
function of major. Players inhabiting the city (by means of having a house there) could at their homes select the name of the hero
they want to rule the city. Each hero that runs for election could write a text in the public place and post personal messages in
which he explains why he would be a good major.
After a major has been chosen he will get a salary and will have some control of the city, by choosing from variable options.
(amount of city guards, hight of taxes etc.)
This system would be very basic but would add a simple hierarchy to cities.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 10:07 GMT
And then when there\'s a corrupt mayor you could lead a revolution against him
Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 10:58 GMT
ofcourse, but that\'s entirely up to the players.
Thekkur
Gion
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 12:20 GMT
And they could organise some big partys in the arena :-)
Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 16:08 GMT
...hire hero players to battle eachother in teh arena, and thus win the crowd for you!
Thekkur
TheDaiv
Guest
posted 22-10-2001 12:52 GMT
I like your ideas Thekkur... straight out monster killing gives you Adventure, Your idea of Mayors adds a nice Political structure to
the game, the Prof give you an economic edge... add it all up, you have a Socio-economic Adventure game... we need to add a
marriage system I think. The you have the Romantic Socio-Economic Adventure game, and PlaneShift can post adds in
GamePro, Dragon, Chic, The WallStreet Journel, and Time... also if they make ir so you can decorate your house, Martha
Stewart Living!!!! What an all purpose game!
Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 02:46 GMT
MAybe an option for a government system is that hero\'s (players with a level higher than 25) could make himself eligible for a
function of major. Players inhabiting the city (by means of having a house there) could at their homes select the name of the hero
they want to rule the city. Each hero that runs for election could write a text in the public place and post personal messages in
which he explains why he would be a good major.
After a major has been chosen he will get a salary and will have some control of the city, by choosing from variable options.
(amount of city guards, hight of taxes etc.)
This system would be very basic but would add a simple hierarchy to cities.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 10:07 GMT
And then when there\'s a corrupt mayor you could lead a revolution against him
Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 10:58 GMT
ofcourse, but that\'s entirely up to the players.
Thekkur
Gion
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 12:20 GMT
And they could organise some big partys in the arena :-)
Thekkur
Guest
posted 21-10-2001 16:08 GMT
...hire hero players to battle eachother in teh arena, and thus win the crowd for you!
Thekkur
TheDaiv
Guest
posted 22-10-2001 12:52 GMT
I like your ideas Thekkur... straight out monster killing gives you Adventure, Your idea of Mayors adds a nice Political structure to
the game, the Prof give you an economic edge... add it all up, you have a Socio-economic Adventure game... we need to add a
marriage system I think. The you have the Romantic Socio-Economic Adventure game, and PlaneShift can post adds in
GamePro, Dragon, Chic, The WallStreet Journel, and Time... also if they make ir so you can decorate your house, Martha
Stewart Living!!!! What an all purpose game!
245
Wish list / Housing really important
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:57:41 pm »
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Thekkur
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 01:45 GMT
Housing has already been the subject of many topics, but I have to add something to that.
I think Housing is really important, because it is a major ability to distinct this game from others. In other MMORPG\'s, you start
the game, log-in, and spawn at the point in-game where you quitted. Everybody walks criss-cross around, and due to the large
amount of players it isn\'t very likely that you\'ll meet someone again that you\'ve been talking to.
The owning of a house could change this though. Every player has his neighbours, his homeground, and it is thus likely that
he/she meets this neighbours at markets nearby and whilest walking in the quarter he lives in. And that every time you spawn at
your house! Thus you could also venture forth together when you meet eachother at a market. Simply said: you\'ll make in-game
friends (and thus party members) a lot much easier than in other MMORPG\'s. Another special feature you can add to make
housing even more realistic is the option to post messages, or mail. This way you could sent a message to a companion\'s
house, which this companion will read as soon as he returns to his home, either by re-spawning or by just returning to it.
Then I have an idea to take away the stupid spawning-where-I-quitted-the-game element: when you quit whilest resting in an inn,
or whilest staying in another house, you will respawn in that particular place next time you log in. When you quit while you\'re
somewhere else,in the middle of a dungeon for example, or die, you respawn in your own house next time you log in.
I should say: state what you think of this idea and it might become reality.
Thekkur
Vex
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 05:14 GMT
I think it\'s an excellent idea and I like the mail feature. Maybe we could have a doorbell and people could come to your house and
chat on your sofa you bought to decorate your house.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 15-10-2001 05:22 GMT
I personally have planned for something similar as well. I like your way of thinking Thekkur. :-)
whitti
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 18:02 GMT
Nice Going...although it would be annoying to like have to go eat then come back to find your char was back at its house after
being in a dungeon earning xp, you should have a sleep otion and you could only log out while sleeping and when you log in
again your char wakes up but to prevent thousands of bodies then there could be sleeping chambers and stuff which are guarded
by guards whostop monsters from coming in.
Gion
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 19:27 GMT
I prever the spawning-where-I-quitted-the-game element.
Not everyone hase a verry good internet connection ( like me atm ). So sometimes i have a verry big lag. It would be nice te be at
the same place in the game as where i was after disconnected during a big lag.
greetzz
Gion.
Hory
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:15 GMT
well...... then the player could choose when he disconnects...... if he doesn\'t choose anything, then he will be placed in the same
place when he reconnects..... but he can choose something like \"go home and sleep (quit)\" and if he doesn\'t reconnect for 15
min, let\'s say, he will be placed in his house, if he reconnects sonner it will be where he was..... also... by staying home while
disconnected, he could get more money (work) and if he stays in the wilderness, he could gain exp.... the problem is..... how
can you stop a player from disconnecting in the face of danger...... so that he will be safe...?
Buechler
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:19 GMT
I don\'t like the idea of choosing \"GO Home\". If you were literally 3miles away from your home and a dwarf was killing you it
wouldn\'t be fair to automatically go to your house. I think one should log out where he is. But PS should make a mid range spell
where one can teleport to there house, but it costs lots of mana.
Buechler
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:23 GMT
Also to log out out I think you should have to sit for 30 seconds like Everquest. (This prevents logging out in face of danger)
You have 30 seconds to prepare your camp
You have 25 seconds to prepare your camp
etc. Then awhen it says you have 5 seconds to prepare your camp; and 5 seconds happen THEN Your character logs out.
Everquest had done this and I believe in order to insure fairness Planeshift should.
whitti
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 01:02 GMT
I mean in Runescape I think the 20 seconds after combat rule is fine although there is no 30 second to prepare camp rule I think
my previous post is pretty dumb though
Tanarus
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 01:55 GMT
Ahh! a fellow RS player.
It\'s ten seconds after combat in RS, and you can run until after the first 3 rounds of ocmbat
Thekkur
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 02:06 GMT
Hmmm... I hear many people complaining about spawning at home, and I guess there\'ll have to be alternatives. I think a feature
like returning to you home must be added to the game, because only than you can stimulate a true online spirit with cooperating
friends, battling parties and venturing together.
If there are many Inn\'s, and you have the possibility to stay at friend\'s houses, it will still happen that you\'re in the deepest part of
a dungeon when your connection suddenly failes. About that: **** happens. It won\'t happen too often.
About not wanting to return to your home after disconnecting (because you had to do something more important than playing PS
and didn\'t have time to find an inn); I would add the possibility to set up a shelter. Add a system in which you can pitch a tent (or
sleep on the ground) at shelter places, places that you can also find in dungeons and the wilderness, some sort of campsite.
You can only log out when quitting at shelterplaces (that are widely spread across the world, a lot more than Inn\'s) else you will
respawn in your house next time you log in. The shelterplaces still exterminate the stupid, and highly unrealistic
spawning-all-over-the-place-or-all-at-one-point principle.
You might also add a feature that you can only pitch a tent or use your bedroll at a shelterplace when you actually HAVE one of
these. (bought or found)
Thus;
-When someone attacks you and you quit, when just quitting, or when you get killed, you spawn at home with full health.
-When you quit when PAYING for an inn room, you spawn at the inn with the feature of total healing.
-When you quit when being at a friends or a guildhouse, you spawn there with a certain amount of healing per hour you are
offline.
-When you quit when being at a shelterplace you will spawn there, but you will have the same healthnumber as when you
quitted.(no healing when at a shelterplace)
The shelterplaces will also be a safebay for parties that are deep inside a dungeon and that want to venture forth later on. They
can just find a shelterplace together and spawn all there the next time they meet.
spawnplaces can be things like:
*small stone buildings inside large caves
*some sort of widely spread salvation army buildings in cities
*barns in villages
*rooms with beds inside dungeons
*a group of benches in a park (
)
*caves in the walls of the dungeons
*deserted houses
*ruins
you see, there are enough possible places that you can make shelterplaces of. There don\'t have to be too many of them, just
enough to be able to reach one within a few minutes of walking.
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 02:52 GMT
Yes but what about when someones getting pked or killed by a monster I still think someone should have to sit for 25 or 30 secs
to log out? Btw Thekker are you on the Planeshift team at all? Cause you seem knowlegde about lots of stuff.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 00:39 GMT
in the system I thought of you don\'t NEED 30 seconds to log out. you just need to find a shelterplace. YOU ARE NOT SAFE IN
SHELTERPLACES WHEN ONLINE. else you could simply run towards one and then wait until your opponent goes away.
This are just MY thoughts and suggestions for the game, I\'m not (yet) a members of the PS crew.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 19:22 GMT
Not _yet_ a member eh?
Anyway, i agree with thekur about the shelterplaces. Although i would add to this that you couldn\'t log out if still being in combat
with someone/thing and not in a guarded/protected otherwise area. This eliminates the problem of people randomly spawning
around the place: but i would say you should have to be in the protected area to log out in the first place: since teleporting back
to your house after logging out or dying is also pretty unrealistic...
Perhaps instead of respawning inside your house you would respawn in a holy area (maybe inside the crystal?... now there\'s a
thought... ) and have a choice of returning to the earthly world via a temple that you have visited and is to your religious
orientation (there should always be the option of returning to your hometown\'s temple). OR you could have to option of retiring
your character. Any thoughts/ideas/death threats relating to that idea?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 01:45 GMT
Housing has already been the subject of many topics, but I have to add something to that.
I think Housing is really important, because it is a major ability to distinct this game from others. In other MMORPG\'s, you start
the game, log-in, and spawn at the point in-game where you quitted. Everybody walks criss-cross around, and due to the large
amount of players it isn\'t very likely that you\'ll meet someone again that you\'ve been talking to.
The owning of a house could change this though. Every player has his neighbours, his homeground, and it is thus likely that
he/she meets this neighbours at markets nearby and whilest walking in the quarter he lives in. And that every time you spawn at
your house! Thus you could also venture forth together when you meet eachother at a market. Simply said: you\'ll make in-game
friends (and thus party members) a lot much easier than in other MMORPG\'s. Another special feature you can add to make
housing even more realistic is the option to post messages, or mail. This way you could sent a message to a companion\'s
house, which this companion will read as soon as he returns to his home, either by re-spawning or by just returning to it.
Then I have an idea to take away the stupid spawning-where-I-quitted-the-game element: when you quit whilest resting in an inn,
or whilest staying in another house, you will respawn in that particular place next time you log in. When you quit while you\'re
somewhere else,in the middle of a dungeon for example, or die, you respawn in your own house next time you log in.
I should say: state what you think of this idea and it might become reality.
Thekkur
Vex
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 05:14 GMT
I think it\'s an excellent idea and I like the mail feature. Maybe we could have a doorbell and people could come to your house and
chat on your sofa you bought to decorate your house.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 15-10-2001 05:22 GMT
I personally have planned for something similar as well. I like your way of thinking Thekkur. :-)
whitti
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 18:02 GMT
Nice Going...although it would be annoying to like have to go eat then come back to find your char was back at its house after
being in a dungeon earning xp, you should have a sleep otion and you could only log out while sleeping and when you log in
again your char wakes up but to prevent thousands of bodies then there could be sleeping chambers and stuff which are guarded
by guards whostop monsters from coming in.
Gion
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 19:27 GMT
I prever the spawning-where-I-quitted-the-game element.
Not everyone hase a verry good internet connection ( like me atm ). So sometimes i have a verry big lag. It would be nice te be at
the same place in the game as where i was after disconnected during a big lag.
greetzz
Gion.
Hory
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:15 GMT
well...... then the player could choose when he disconnects...... if he doesn\'t choose anything, then he will be placed in the same
place when he reconnects..... but he can choose something like \"go home and sleep (quit)\" and if he doesn\'t reconnect for 15
min, let\'s say, he will be placed in his house, if he reconnects sonner it will be where he was..... also... by staying home while
disconnected, he could get more money (work) and if he stays in the wilderness, he could gain exp.... the problem is..... how
can you stop a player from disconnecting in the face of danger...... so that he will be safe...?
Buechler
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:19 GMT
I don\'t like the idea of choosing \"GO Home\". If you were literally 3miles away from your home and a dwarf was killing you it
wouldn\'t be fair to automatically go to your house. I think one should log out where he is. But PS should make a mid range spell
where one can teleport to there house, but it costs lots of mana.
Buechler
Guest
posted 18-10-2001 22:23 GMT
Also to log out out I think you should have to sit for 30 seconds like Everquest. (This prevents logging out in face of danger)
You have 30 seconds to prepare your camp
You have 25 seconds to prepare your camp
etc. Then awhen it says you have 5 seconds to prepare your camp; and 5 seconds happen THEN Your character logs out.
Everquest had done this and I believe in order to insure fairness Planeshift should.
whitti
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 01:02 GMT
I mean in Runescape I think the 20 seconds after combat rule is fine although there is no 30 second to prepare camp rule I think
my previous post is pretty dumb though
Tanarus
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 01:55 GMT
Ahh! a fellow RS player.
It\'s ten seconds after combat in RS, and you can run until after the first 3 rounds of ocmbat
Thekkur
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 02:06 GMT
Hmmm... I hear many people complaining about spawning at home, and I guess there\'ll have to be alternatives. I think a feature
like returning to you home must be added to the game, because only than you can stimulate a true online spirit with cooperating
friends, battling parties and venturing together.
If there are many Inn\'s, and you have the possibility to stay at friend\'s houses, it will still happen that you\'re in the deepest part of
a dungeon when your connection suddenly failes. About that: **** happens. It won\'t happen too often.
About not wanting to return to your home after disconnecting (because you had to do something more important than playing PS
and didn\'t have time to find an inn); I would add the possibility to set up a shelter. Add a system in which you can pitch a tent (or
sleep on the ground) at shelter places, places that you can also find in dungeons and the wilderness, some sort of campsite.
You can only log out when quitting at shelterplaces (that are widely spread across the world, a lot more than Inn\'s) else you will
respawn in your house next time you log in. The shelterplaces still exterminate the stupid, and highly unrealistic
spawning-all-over-the-place-or-all-at-one-point principle.
You might also add a feature that you can only pitch a tent or use your bedroll at a shelterplace when you actually HAVE one of
these. (bought or found)
Thus;
-When someone attacks you and you quit, when just quitting, or when you get killed, you spawn at home with full health.
-When you quit when PAYING for an inn room, you spawn at the inn with the feature of total healing.
-When you quit when being at a friends or a guildhouse, you spawn there with a certain amount of healing per hour you are
offline.
-When you quit when being at a shelterplace you will spawn there, but you will have the same healthnumber as when you
quitted.(no healing when at a shelterplace)
The shelterplaces will also be a safebay for parties that are deep inside a dungeon and that want to venture forth later on. They
can just find a shelterplace together and spawn all there the next time they meet.
spawnplaces can be things like:
*small stone buildings inside large caves
*some sort of widely spread salvation army buildings in cities
*barns in villages
*rooms with beds inside dungeons
*a group of benches in a park (
)*caves in the walls of the dungeons
*deserted houses
*ruins
you see, there are enough possible places that you can make shelterplaces of. There don\'t have to be too many of them, just
enough to be able to reach one within a few minutes of walking.
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 02:52 GMT
Yes but what about when someones getting pked or killed by a monster I still think someone should have to sit for 25 or 30 secs
to log out? Btw Thekker are you on the Planeshift team at all? Cause you seem knowlegde about lots of stuff.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 00:39 GMT
in the system I thought of you don\'t NEED 30 seconds to log out. you just need to find a shelterplace. YOU ARE NOT SAFE IN
SHELTERPLACES WHEN ONLINE. else you could simply run towards one and then wait until your opponent goes away.
This are just MY thoughts and suggestions for the game, I\'m not (yet) a members of the PS crew.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 19-10-2001 19:22 GMT
Not _yet_ a member eh?
Anyway, i agree with thekur about the shelterplaces. Although i would add to this that you couldn\'t log out if still being in combat
with someone/thing and not in a guarded/protected otherwise area. This eliminates the problem of people randomly spawning
around the place: but i would say you should have to be in the protected area to log out in the first place: since teleporting back
to your house after logging out or dying is also pretty unrealistic...
Perhaps instead of respawning inside your house you would respawn in a holy area (maybe inside the crystal?... now there\'s a
thought...
) and have a choice of returning to the earthly world via a temple that you have visited and is to your religiousorientation (there should always be the option of returning to your hometown\'s temple). OR you could have to option of retiring
your character. Any thoughts/ideas/death threats relating to that idea?
246
Granted or negated Wishes / Companions
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:51:42 pm »
THIS MESSAGE IS TAKEN FROM OLD BOARD:
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 18:11 GMT
Will you be able to have animal companions in game? I would really like to see that!
If there is going to be such a feature, I would recommend to make it only available to players with an animal training/handling
skill. This will prevent ALL players from having have the advantage of an animal, and will also make ps look more realistic. If you
look at certain MMORPG\'s practicly everybody has one or more animals, resulting in rediculous sights of villages growded with
hundreds of dogs...
Having some disadvantages from having an animal companion would also make it less interesting for everybody to own one. With
disadvantages I think of; the need to feed the animal, the need of time to make the beast obey you, the fact that animals will not
be allowed to enter certain inn\'s (so they will have to be left outside), the fact that you will have to carry your animal when
climbing a ladder.
Advantages from owning an animal could be that it can support you in an attack, distract an enemy and smell enemies on larger
distances(it can alarm you).
You might also state that wizards can have other companions than fighters. (fighters wouldnt have much use for a rat or
something likely)
Thekkur
Vex
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 19:05 GMT
That\'s a great idea, I would love to see that also.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 20:34 GMT
This topic has been discussed in the past, and yes there will most likely be animal companions of some sort.
-Firestorm-
Thanatos
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 03:41 GMT
Yuck, animals are just not my type of companions! Real companions for me means Frankensteins to go with my assassin! He
he he he!
Hory
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 17:11 GMT
Hiring mercenaries would be good too
Paradagnae
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 23:41 GMT
i would love a hawk
Hory
Guest
posted 14-10-2001 01:04 GMT
Yeah and if you would be a really good druid you could see through his eyes or even control it
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 18:11 GMT
Will you be able to have animal companions in game? I would really like to see that!
If there is going to be such a feature, I would recommend to make it only available to players with an animal training/handling
skill. This will prevent ALL players from having have the advantage of an animal, and will also make ps look more realistic. If you
look at certain MMORPG\'s practicly everybody has one or more animals, resulting in rediculous sights of villages growded with
hundreds of dogs...
Having some disadvantages from having an animal companion would also make it less interesting for everybody to own one. With
disadvantages I think of; the need to feed the animal, the need of time to make the beast obey you, the fact that animals will not
be allowed to enter certain inn\'s (so they will have to be left outside), the fact that you will have to carry your animal when
climbing a ladder.
Advantages from owning an animal could be that it can support you in an attack, distract an enemy and smell enemies on larger
distances(it can alarm you).
You might also state that wizards can have other companions than fighters. (fighters wouldnt have much use for a rat or
something likely)
Thekkur
Vex
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 19:05 GMT
That\'s a great idea, I would love to see that also.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 20:34 GMT
This topic has been discussed in the past, and yes there will most likely be animal companions of some sort.
-Firestorm-
Thanatos
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 03:41 GMT
Yuck, animals are just not my type of companions! Real companions for me means Frankensteins to go with my assassin! He
he he he!
Hory
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 17:11 GMT
Hiring mercenaries would be good too
Paradagnae
Guest
posted 13-10-2001 23:41 GMT
i would love a hawk
Hory
Guest
posted 14-10-2001 01:04 GMT
Yeah and if you would be a really good druid you could see through his eyes or even control it
247
Wish list / Writing In game books
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:26:40 pm »
THIS MESSAGE IS TAKEN FROM OLD BOARD:
webworm
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 00:25 GMT
I\'ve allways wished I could do this in Everquest. It seems like a great idea.
A way to make money for those of us who are good writers could be to buy some paper in game and write a book. Books could
not be sold to merchants but players could buy them, and print them if they wished. Paper should be inexpensive and be able to
fit the ammount of text as a regular paper back novel.
Now the first problem I realized with this would be players writing a bunch of garbled text, then giving the book a cool title and
selling it. So a solution would be to allow the buyer to preview 2 pages of their choosing so they know what they are getting.
It would be fun to buy a book from someone and when you are waiting for someone just read it.
Hope this makes sence.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 11-10-2001 01:37 GMT
It would certainly be cool... you could tell about your adventures (a little exaggerated ofcourse), and
adventurers might visit the places you\'ve been. like some sort of a travelguide.
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 03:25 GMT
This idea rocks!!! Players could run there own libary too if they owned a house!!!
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:16 GMT
Wow, I am certainly impressed. I like this idea very much as well. Keep up the great work all, you are turning out some great
input.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 06:14 GMT
Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations
Very Kewl
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
Hory
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 17:49 GMT
it would be cool if the players could post messages (announcments) in the public plaza or hire a npc to contact X and give him a
message, or leave word at the bar etc
webworm
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 04:48 GMT
Hey glad you like my idea.
I sure hope to see this in the game.
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 19-10-2001 05:56 GMT
neat my writing skills finally put to use in gaming. *the crowd starts chanting* \"GO WEBWORM...GO WEBWORM\"
Webworm the people love you!
Dwinney
Guest
posted 02-11-2001 03:41 GMT
This is definitely the coolest idea ever, but I haven\'t seen it implemented in any other game before...... Neat, I\'m already thinking
up of some fantasy story to write about..........hope the PlaneShift staff uses this idea.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-11-2001 00:39 GMT
If you have finished the story, you can also submit it to the PS crew.(info@planeshift.it) If it\'s good enough, it might even become
part of planeshift\'s background!
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 03-11-2001 06:48 GMT
and you can also submit your DARN RESUME AND APPLICATION! yea, you, you know who you are. I won\'t name names, but
his initials are THEKKUR. :-)
webworm
Guest
posted 08-11-2001 00:22 GMT
Hey, thanks for taking the time to read and admire my idea. I have sent in a application for the setting and backround team, and
im going to do my best to get this implimented if I am accepted.
Thanks again!
~Webworm
lsupi
PS Official Member
posted 09-11-2001 00:21 GMT
Nice idea. A bit hard in execution (one of the reason noone implement it already). I\'ll see if this is possible at all and see how this
will effect the game security.
Oldman Kay
Guest
posted 09-11-2001 16:57 GMT
FireStorm wrote:
\"Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations\"
Yeah. That would be awesome.
But some come to think, how could they put say a hundred page novel into the game? And who would want to read it?
Well how about each book has a limited amount of pages.
Say around 70. Then you could have a to be continued one so people would REALLY wanna get the next one which would give
you more money. Basically it means in the long run you will have more admiriers(sorry bout sp) and more cash.
ITS GENIOUS!
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 09-11-2001 17:07 GMT
yes and weekly Newspapers etc. But I think there should be any limit to how many pages. If the author is smart however...
corsairk1
Guest
posted 11-11-2001 18:23 GMT
Nice idea, but I think there should be a librarian or book store owner there to review the book and he can decide whether to sell it
/ put it in library for the writer. Although, the writer could go around with crap copies of books, but I doubt people would buy books
off the street.
webworm
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 04:45 GMT
Reviving my stunningly beautiful idea with its grace and power. It shall live on sending hope through our hearts.
lol
~Webworm
Planeshift W.T.B. Member
Setting & Backround
King Larry
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 15:53 GMT
I think that if you are a smith you might do a weapon/armour guide...
Shadow
Guest
posted 30-12-2001 00:16 GMT
Making pamflets, starting cults and having fun.
We need books. (ingame)
Bigfoot
Guest
posted 01-01-2001 02:18 GMT
For those of you that have played Ultima Online... You could do that in that game. You could even use the scribe skill to make
instant copies ^_^... although teh pages where limited to about 12 and anyone could rewrite what you wrote. We used to have a
couple of books locked down in our guild castle that was used as ingame message boards for members ^^. I also wrote a small
story in a book once and then droped it in teh back streets of britain in UO... hopefully some one picked it up and gave it a read
^_^.
Corsairk8
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 01-01-2001 03:30 GMT
I would find that very interesting, but it would be better to have a recommendation or voting system where popular books would be
put in a dedicated area of the public library. This is to avoid people writing books which are useless and making profit from it. It
does seem like a very promising idea and I am sure that the team will try to include it in the game if possible.
webworm
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 00:25 GMT
I\'ve allways wished I could do this in Everquest. It seems like a great idea.
A way to make money for those of us who are good writers could be to buy some paper in game and write a book. Books could
not be sold to merchants but players could buy them, and print them if they wished. Paper should be inexpensive and be able to
fit the ammount of text as a regular paper back novel.
Now the first problem I realized with this would be players writing a bunch of garbled text, then giving the book a cool title and
selling it. So a solution would be to allow the buyer to preview 2 pages of their choosing so they know what they are getting.
It would be fun to buy a book from someone and when you are waiting for someone just read it.
Hope this makes sence.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 11-10-2001 01:37 GMT
It would certainly be cool... you could tell about your adventures (a little exaggerated ofcourse), and
adventurers might visit the places you\'ve been. like some sort of a travelguide.
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 03:25 GMT
This idea rocks!!! Players could run there own libary too if they owned a house!!!
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:16 GMT
Wow, I am certainly impressed. I like this idea very much as well. Keep up the great work all, you are turning out some great
input.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 06:14 GMT
Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations
Very Kewl
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
Hory
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 17:49 GMT
it would be cool if the players could post messages (announcments) in the public plaza or hire a npc to contact X and give him a
message, or leave word at the bar etc
webworm
Guest
posted 15-10-2001 04:48 GMT
Hey glad you like my idea.
I sure hope to see this in the game.
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 19-10-2001 05:56 GMT
neat my writing skills finally put to use in gaming. *the crowd starts chanting* \"GO WEBWORM...GO WEBWORM\"
Webworm the people love you!
Dwinney
Guest
posted 02-11-2001 03:41 GMT
This is definitely the coolest idea ever, but I haven\'t seen it implemented in any other game before...... Neat, I\'m already thinking
up of some fantasy story to write about..........hope the PlaneShift staff uses this idea.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-11-2001 00:39 GMT
If you have finished the story, you can also submit it to the PS crew.(info@planeshift.it) If it\'s good enough, it might even become
part of planeshift\'s background!
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 03-11-2001 06:48 GMT
and you can also submit your DARN RESUME AND APPLICATION! yea, you, you know who you are. I won\'t name names, but
his initials are THEKKUR. :-)
webworm
Guest
posted 08-11-2001 00:22 GMT
Hey, thanks for taking the time to read and admire my idea. I have sent in a application for the setting and backround team, and
im going to do my best to get this implimented if I am accepted.
Thanks again!
~Webworm
lsupi
PS Official Member
posted 09-11-2001 00:21 GMT
Nice idea. A bit hard in execution (one of the reason noone implement it already). I\'ll see if this is possible at all and see how this
will effect the game security.
Oldman Kay
Guest
posted 09-11-2001 16:57 GMT
FireStorm wrote:
\"Definatly cool. Librarys of books, shortstories, and guides, written by players for generations
\"Yeah. That would be awesome.
But some come to think, how could they put say a hundred page novel into the game? And who would want to read it?
Well how about each book has a limited amount of pages.
Say around 70. Then you could have a to be continued one so people would REALLY wanna get the next one which would give
you more money. Basically it means in the long run you will have more admiriers(sorry bout sp) and more cash.
ITS GENIOUS!
whitti
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 09-11-2001 17:07 GMT
yes and weekly Newspapers etc. But I think there should be any limit to how many pages. If the author is smart however...
corsairk1
Guest
posted 11-11-2001 18:23 GMT
Nice idea, but I think there should be a librarian or book store owner there to review the book and he can decide whether to sell it
/ put it in library for the writer. Although, the writer could go around with crap copies of books, but I doubt people would buy books
off the street.
webworm
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 04:45 GMT
Reviving my stunningly beautiful idea with its grace and power. It shall live on sending hope through our hearts.
lol
~Webworm
Planeshift W.T.B. Member
Setting & Backround
King Larry
Guest
posted 12-12-2001 15:53 GMT
I think that if you are a smith you might do a weapon/armour guide...
Shadow
Guest
posted 30-12-2001 00:16 GMT
Making pamflets, starting cults and having fun.
We need books. (ingame)
Bigfoot
Guest
posted 01-01-2001 02:18 GMT
For those of you that have played Ultima Online... You could do that in that game. You could even use the scribe skill to make
instant copies ^_^... although teh pages where limited to about 12 and anyone could rewrite what you wrote. We used to have a
couple of books locked down in our guild castle that was used as ingame message boards for members ^^. I also wrote a small
story in a book once and then droped it in teh back streets of britain in UO... hopefully some one picked it up and gave it a read
^_^.
Corsairk8
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 01-01-2001 03:30 GMT
I would find that very interesting, but it would be better to have a recommendation or voting system where popular books would be
put in a dedicated area of the public library. This is to avoid people writing books which are useless and making profit from it. It
does seem like a very promising idea and I am sure that the team will try to include it in the game if possible.
248
Wish list / No crafting godly items
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:21:43 pm »
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webworm
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 00:16 GMT
In runescape people can get their crafting skill so hight that they can make the best items in the game. Bad idea, everyone has
runite. In planesift you should be able to make some pretty nice items but nothing that is so good the highest lvl in the game
would drool over it.
There needs to be a limit, everquest is a good example of how this can be done.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 11-10-2001 01:54 GMT
I suggest the sacrifice of exp to create weapons, and the amount is based on the regular sale value of the weapon. This can also
be used for potion creation, and object creation like a MUD. Who wouldnt like to see high level wisards decorating their houses
with objects like chairs.
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 11-10-2001 16:06 GMT
good idea. although I think not everybody must be capable of creating weapons and potions. If the game will contain use
professions, you might consider to only let (black)smiths have the option to create weapons, or players with a blacksmith skill.
The same with potions; only wizards and players with potion skills should have the option to create potions at cost of xp.
I assume everybody will have the option to buy weapons and skills?
Thekkur
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 19:16 GMT
Buy skills? That should only go so far... maybe just to get a little way into a profession... and i agree that potions and medicines
and stuff shouldn\'t be as readily available as in other games: you should really have to find and make them yourself (with the
appropriate skills of course) or buy them, making for a more realistic world.
Hory
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 21:12 GMT
i suggest that there should be very powerful weapons but very few..... and when a player has one such rare item... a bounty could
be placed automatically on him so that everyone will hunt him so it won\'t be that good to have it, cause people could ally against
you to take your weapon
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 00:07 GMT
Automatically
What realistic reason is their to hunt down somone for their weapon, and furthermore why would the server point out who had
good weapons, realistically
-Firestorm
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:09 GMT
One thing we COULD do, is server tag the weapons. We create a finite amount of weapon X and tag it. Server searches for
variable tag and finds it. That player in possesion of weapon X will then be tagged to encounter more enemies, bandits, etc.
Just a possiblility.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 09:38 GMT
Or have weapons with a short descripption and a past, then you can have legitimate reasons for goblins hunting down a sword
stolen fromthem centuries ago by the great BlahBlah... can you see where i\'m coming from?
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 12-10-2001 00:19 GMT
sounds great! that will also take care of the stupid fact that all the players who have an all-mighty-weapon in other RPG\'s simply
rule the game, and actually don\'t have anything on their hands. (no monster is a challenge when you got a +18 broadsword)
clever thoughts!
Thekkur
Hory
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 17:45 GMT
Firestorm, it doesn\'t have to be like this... it could simply be that a player sees the one with a great weapon and tells other 10
players to help him get it from that guy... And there could be rangers that could track a player if they are good enough...
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 21:05 GMT
I still reckon truely unique weapons/items are a good idea
Washi
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 04:23 GMT
I was reading some old posts and i saw this and i iked Firestorms first idea
Basicly to make powerful items you should be a certain level blacksmith to make the item and you give some of yourself to make
the item strong (experience) then if you are an alchemist (enchanter) you could use some of your force (also experience) to
make the item gain power.
You could be a great blacksmith, but still make items which not many people want to buy, or be a part of a team the makes
good items, but takes longer to make them, and works harder to do it.
Just ideas...
Also the problem in RS was that one person was able to make all the items, and there was no competition, everyone else gave
up, because they couldnt get the materials they needed to increase levels, due to one person taking them all. Hopefully that can
be monitored here, and Planeshift wont start to die like Runescape did.
Mark von Wagner
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 06:32 GMT
The problem in Runescape was not that there was only one person who could make all the items, but that there was no demand
for low-level items. Since *anyone* could wear top-level armor, there was no reason to wear anything less.
Realistically, your choice of armor and weapons should involve some tradeoffs. For example, the highest-level armor should be
quite heavy -- if you aren\'t strong enough to wear it, but do so anyway, you get severe penalties to your speed and agility. You
might not take much damage from any given blow, but you\'ll get hit a lot, and have trouble running from a fight.
Washi
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 07:22 GMT
I started in RS during the second week it was open to the public and the main problem with items was that only one person
could make them, but then yes anyone could wear all but the best plate, even at level 3, which was stupid, yes items in
Planeshift will have requirements, but my guess is that some of the best would be extremely light, but would require alot of stats.
Non magical, normal equipment would not require bonding, and until an item is bonded it would not provide any of its magical
powers
An idea that just poped into my head.
Any special item, magical etc, should have to be bonded to its user by that i mean the user must pay a certain ammoung of xp
to be able to wear, the magical equipment, in that way, overly powerful items will never be used by low power characters, and
people willl have to earn the upgrades in their equipment.
That actual idea comes from games like Shadowrun, and Earthdawn, but all people not just mages would be bonding equipment,
you could spend a heap of experience and bond your keys to your home, and make them become a part of you each time you
open/close the door they unlock, that would cost a lot of xp, and magical power to do though
Catch ya next time i post
ratdudett
Guest
posted 07-12-2001 05:44 GMT
the couple of posts that i read i liked i don\'t know if it was mentioned here but i don\'t think that u should be able to buy lvls for
real money... in some games u can get extra bonuses if u pay them money... this is ofcourse a WONDERFUL way to get money
but it kinda ruins the game for everyone else
Kendaro
Guest
posted 07-12-2001 07:10 GMT
if people were \'taged\' when having rare weapons or armor, and others join together to take that armor or weapon from them. you
end up with a waisted armor or weapon. if people are aloowed to loot other players after they kill them, then you bring in a grief
aspect to the game. for this reason, people dont go out with their rare items. also then you promote needless killing just to keep
people away from their gear. this is a sittuation that can go far int the wrong direction and turn it into a quake fest.
sure there should be incredible weapons or armors but have them as a reward for completing an epic quest. this way everyone
has a chance to get them, but only if they stick with a very hard and time consuming quest. also set the quest for only the best
of the best can go for it. that you need to be a certain lvl to even be given the quest. call it a test of worthyness(sp). you have to
obtain and finish the test before you can quest for the epic piece.
webworm
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 00:16 GMT
In runescape people can get their crafting skill so hight that they can make the best items in the game. Bad idea, everyone has
runite. In planesift you should be able to make some pretty nice items but nothing that is so good the highest lvl in the game
would drool over it.
There needs to be a limit, everquest is a good example of how this can be done.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 11-10-2001 01:54 GMT
I suggest the sacrifice of exp to create weapons, and the amount is based on the regular sale value of the weapon. This can also
be used for potion creation, and object creation like a MUD. Who wouldnt like to see high level wisards decorating their houses
with objects like chairs.
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 11-10-2001 16:06 GMT
good idea. although I think not everybody must be capable of creating weapons and potions. If the game will contain use
professions, you might consider to only let (black)smiths have the option to create weapons, or players with a blacksmith skill.
The same with potions; only wizards and players with potion skills should have the option to create potions at cost of xp.
I assume everybody will have the option to buy weapons and skills?
Thekkur
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 19:16 GMT
Buy skills? That should only go so far... maybe just to get a little way into a profession... and i agree that potions and medicines
and stuff shouldn\'t be as readily available as in other games: you should really have to find and make them yourself (with the
appropriate skills of course) or buy them, making for a more realistic world.
Hory
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 21:12 GMT
i suggest that there should be very powerful weapons but very few..... and when a player has one such rare item... a bounty could
be placed automatically on him so that everyone will hunt him so it won\'t be that good to have it, cause people could ally against
you to take your weapon
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 00:07 GMT
Automatically
What realistic reason is their to hunt down somone for their weapon, and furthermore why would the server point out who had
good weapons, realistically
-Firestorm
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:09 GMT
One thing we COULD do, is server tag the weapons. We create a finite amount of weapon X and tag it. Server searches for
variable tag and finds it. That player in possesion of weapon X will then be tagged to encounter more enemies, bandits, etc.
Just a possiblility.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 09:38 GMT
Or have weapons with a short descripption and a past, then you can have legitimate reasons for goblins hunting down a sword
stolen fromthem centuries ago by the great BlahBlah... can you see where i\'m coming from?
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 12-10-2001 00:19 GMT
sounds great! that will also take care of the stupid fact that all the players who have an all-mighty-weapon in other RPG\'s simply
rule the game, and actually don\'t have anything on their hands. (no monster is a challenge when you got a +18 broadsword)
clever thoughts!
Thekkur
Hory
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 17:45 GMT
Firestorm, it doesn\'t have to be like this... it could simply be that a player sees the one with a great weapon and tells other 10
players to help him get it from that guy... And there could be rangers that could track a player if they are good enough...
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 21:05 GMT
I still reckon truely unique weapons/items are a good idea
Washi
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 04:23 GMT
I was reading some old posts and i saw this and i iked Firestorms first idea
Basicly to make powerful items you should be a certain level blacksmith to make the item and you give some of yourself to make
the item strong (experience) then if you are an alchemist (enchanter) you could use some of your force (also experience) to
make the item gain power.
You could be a great blacksmith, but still make items which not many people want to buy, or be a part of a team the makes
good items, but takes longer to make them, and works harder to do it.
Just ideas...
Also the problem in RS was that one person was able to make all the items, and there was no competition, everyone else gave
up, because they couldnt get the materials they needed to increase levels, due to one person taking them all. Hopefully that can
be monitored here, and Planeshift wont start to die like Runescape did.
Mark von Wagner
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 06:32 GMT
The problem in Runescape was not that there was only one person who could make all the items, but that there was no demand
for low-level items. Since *anyone* could wear top-level armor, there was no reason to wear anything less.
Realistically, your choice of armor and weapons should involve some tradeoffs. For example, the highest-level armor should be
quite heavy -- if you aren\'t strong enough to wear it, but do so anyway, you get severe penalties to your speed and agility. You
might not take much damage from any given blow, but you\'ll get hit a lot, and have trouble running from a fight.
Washi
Guest
posted 02-12-2001 07:22 GMT
I started in RS during the second week it was open to the public and the main problem with items was that only one person
could make them, but then yes anyone could wear all but the best plate, even at level 3, which was stupid, yes items in
Planeshift will have requirements, but my guess is that some of the best would be extremely light, but would require alot of stats.
Non magical, normal equipment would not require bonding, and until an item is bonded it would not provide any of its magical
powers
An idea that just poped into my head.
Any special item, magical etc, should have to be bonded to its user by that i mean the user must pay a certain ammoung of xp
to be able to wear, the magical equipment, in that way, overly powerful items will never be used by low power characters, and
people willl have to earn the upgrades in their equipment.
That actual idea comes from games like Shadowrun, and Earthdawn, but all people not just mages would be bonding equipment,
you could spend a heap of experience and bond your keys to your home, and make them become a part of you each time you
open/close the door they unlock, that would cost a lot of xp, and magical power to do though
Catch ya next time i post
ratdudett
Guest
posted 07-12-2001 05:44 GMT
the couple of posts that i read i liked
i don\'t know if it was mentioned here but i don\'t think that u should be able to buy lvls forreal money... in some games u can get extra bonuses if u pay them money... this is ofcourse a WONDERFUL way to get money
but it kinda ruins the game for everyone else
Kendaro
Guest
posted 07-12-2001 07:10 GMT
if people were \'taged\' when having rare weapons or armor, and others join together to take that armor or weapon from them. you
end up with a waisted armor or weapon. if people are aloowed to loot other players after they kill them, then you bring in a grief
aspect to the game. for this reason, people dont go out with their rare items. also then you promote needless killing just to keep
people away from their gear. this is a sittuation that can go far int the wrong direction and turn it into a quake fest.
sure there should be incredible weapons or armors but have them as a reward for completing an epic quest. this way everyone
has a chance to get them, but only if they stick with a very hard and time consuming quest. also set the quest for only the best
of the best can go for it. that you need to be a certain lvl to even be given the quest. call it a test of worthyness(sp). you have to
obtain and finish the test before you can quest for the epic piece.
249
Wish list / Stuff carried by NPCs
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:20:33 pm »
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Nywell
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 21:33 GMT
I\'m not sure if this has been up in here but I didn\'t find any posts about this...
I realy hope that there would be even little realism in npc\'s dropping stuff (like armour, money etc...). I mean... Doesn\'t it sound
silly that wolves would drop money? Or armour? What would wolf do with money?
Animals shouldn\'t drop any money, armour, weapons or stuff like that.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 12:56 GMT
What can I say about that? I definetely agree with you Nywell!
Thekkur
k3nshin
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 03:54 GMT
heh i always questions myself with that
like in dagger fall a bat would drop 1 gp i\'d be like (WTF would a bat do with 1 gp??)
nice thinkin... but most monsters that hold gold and have nothing to do with it make up 75% of the monsters.. think more of the
monsters droping gold as the reward for killing him, not that he was just holding it
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 10-10-2001 13:04 GMT
Monsters and NPCs will always drop corresponding items
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 19:23 GMT
I agree with you lot
The fact that most of the monsters won\'t drop money or items means that you should have to take up professions so that you put
to use what they DO drop, for example leather from bat hide or things like that. I think this would make a much more rounded
and realistic world
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:18 GMT
Encore, Encore! Heh Heh, :-)
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 07:15 GMT
what about setting up NPCs with like ransoms for certain monster organs? say have one NPC asking players to bring him the
livers from a large basalisk. he uses them in a medicin or something of that nature. you then go out and hunt these basalisks
and he pays you for every liver you provide. there would have to be many of these type rewards though. as to not have one
creature over hunted.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 13-11-2001 14:02 GMT
Maybe we could work around this idea, in that you dont gain any loot on the spot when killing a monster(unless it is a monster
that would realistically hold gold). Then when you return to town you are payed for your efforts to rid the world of evil.
-Just a thought- tell me what you think
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
hiana
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 15:15 GMT
knowledge in surgery/zoologi is needed to carve out specifics/organs from animals you slay
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 22:01 GMT
thats kind of the idea i was aiming at Firestorm. thing there is that you still need to bring in something as proof that you killed it.
clump of fur, scale, claw, or maybe a tooth of the beasts.
Nywell
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 21:33 GMT
I\'m not sure if this has been up in here but I didn\'t find any posts about this...
I realy hope that there would be even little realism in npc\'s dropping stuff (like armour, money etc...). I mean... Doesn\'t it sound
silly that wolves would drop money? Or armour? What would wolf do with money?
Animals shouldn\'t drop any money, armour, weapons or stuff like that.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 12:56 GMT
What can I say about that? I definetely agree with you Nywell!
Thekkur
k3nshin
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 03:54 GMT
heh i always questions myself with that
like in dagger fall a bat would drop 1 gp i\'d be like (WTF would a bat do with 1 gp??)
nice thinkin... but most monsters that hold gold and have nothing to do with it make up 75% of the monsters.. think more of the
monsters droping gold as the reward for killing him, not that he was just holding it
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 10-10-2001 13:04 GMT
Monsters and NPCs will always drop corresponding items
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 19:23 GMT
I agree with you lot
The fact that most of the monsters won\'t drop money or items means that you should have to take up professions so that you put
to use what they DO drop, for example leather from bat hide or things like that. I think this would make a much more rounded
and realistic world
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:18 GMT
Encore, Encore! Heh Heh, :-)
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 07:15 GMT
what about setting up NPCs with like ransoms for certain monster organs? say have one NPC asking players to bring him the
livers from a large basalisk. he uses them in a medicin or something of that nature. you then go out and hunt these basalisks
and he pays you for every liver you provide. there would have to be many of these type rewards though. as to not have one
creature over hunted.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 13-11-2001 14:02 GMT
Maybe we could work around this idea, in that you dont gain any loot on the spot when killing a monster(unless it is a monster
that would realistically hold gold). Then when you return to town you are payed for your efforts to rid the world of evil.
-Just a thought- tell me what you think
-Firestorm- Planeshift Public Relations Manager -
hiana
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 15:15 GMT
knowledge in surgery/zoologi is needed to carve out specifics/organs from animals you slay
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 22:01 GMT
thats kind of the idea i was aiming at Firestorm. thing there is that you still need to bring in something as proof that you killed it.
clump of fur, scale, claw, or maybe a tooth of the beasts.
250
Granted or negated Wishes / Different skins
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:19:28 pm »
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Thekkur
Guest
posted 08-10-2001 10:40 GMT
Ow please let there be many different skins per race in this game! One major source of irritation in other MMORPG\'s is that there
are seldom more than 1 or two skins available for a certain race... everybody looks the same then, and this looks really crappy.
Maybe it is possible to add some variables like haircolor, cothing color(divided in top/bottom), beard/nobeard and even skincolor. I
know it takes up a lot of bandwith, but I prefer different characters above more players! (I mean, 200 people in game is also a lot.)
Thekkur
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 09-10-2001 20:01 GMT
Yes, this is a planned feature. Having the ability to change at least hair color, beard color and eyes color is our first target.
Face traits and cloths will follow even if I am not yet sure of those.
k3nshin
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 04:00 GMT
ummm... Eyes? i doubt with the graphics no would could see the eyes unless the skins are 1000x1000 ...
Thekkur
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 11:06 GMT
maybe the characters have HUGE eyes?
I don\'t mind playing a beholder...
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:20 GMT
Also, another planned item is the fact you may play as average, slight, or robust character sizes, giving variations in that way as
well.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 12:22 GMT
cool... and that will depend on your character class? It seems a little weird if a fighter is thin and muscle-less and a rogue is as
big as a house!
Thekkur
Thekkur
Guest
posted 08-10-2001 10:40 GMT
Ow please let there be many different skins per race in this game! One major source of irritation in other MMORPG\'s is that there
are seldom more than 1 or two skins available for a certain race... everybody looks the same then, and this looks really crappy.
Maybe it is possible to add some variables like haircolor, cothing color(divided in top/bottom), beard/nobeard and even skincolor. I
know it takes up a lot of bandwith, but I prefer different characters above more players! (I mean, 200 people in game is also a lot.)
Thekkur
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 09-10-2001 20:01 GMT
Yes, this is a planned feature. Having the ability to change at least hair color, beard color and eyes color is our first target.
Face traits and cloths will follow even if I am not yet sure of those.
k3nshin
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 04:00 GMT
ummm... Eyes? i doubt with the graphics no would could see the eyes unless the skins are 1000x1000 ...
Thekkur
Guest
posted 10-10-2001 11:06 GMT
maybe the characters have HUGE eyes?
I don\'t mind playing a beholder...
Thekkur
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 05:20 GMT
Also, another planned item is the fact you may play as average, slight, or robust character sizes, giving variations in that way as
well.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 12:22 GMT
cool... and that will depend on your character class? It seems a little weird if a fighter is thin and muscle-less and a rogue is as
big as a house!
Thekkur
251
Wish list / Rewards system for completed quests
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:02:26 pm »
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HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 27-09-2001 18:47 GMT
Yeah, i was thinking of some new ideas for the game. What about a rewards system for completed quests. If you are a guild
leader, you can assign different quests to your members, and if they complete the quest, the Guild leader would givethem some
sort of reward, maybe a level up, or a item/money reward.
I have more were that came from!
Eric Brinkley a.k.a. Takrin/HeliX
HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 27-09-2001 18:55 GMT
Sorry, there is another idea i have- Maybe if Planeshift has enough Guilds, there could be a massive Guild war, were Guilds can
ally with eachother (i.e. Mage and Warrior guilds ally together) so that if there is some guild that thinks they are invincible, then
they allies can challenge them to a war.
Eric Brinkley- Applying for a job as a Background/setting worker.
P.S. There might be a downside to this, there could be a mix of allies commited to the terror of otheres (i.e. Terrorists)
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 06:11 GMT
i agree quests must have a reward. it would be nice to see the guilds having some type of support from the higher ups so that
they can be given a special item that they can put up for reward to be quested for from within their guild members. also i like the
idea of guild aliances(sp). i can see that happening on its own though. also with the talks of how PKers will be treated i can see
one or two guilds joining forces to take down a band of PKers.
one thing though. i would hope there is a guild system, a chat system i mean. something where you could use a function
something like a tell. but instead of like in a tell only going to one person, the guild tell would go to all guild members online. also
another option for guild councles(sp). where guild leaders that are allied can chat privatly to each other.
to do this there would have to be some type of system to log all guild members together. this would be for the guild chat. then
there would have to be a log for guilds that are allied. that would allow the guild allie chat between the leaders.
with the allied chat there all members participating would have to be allies with each other. what i mean by that is say for
example. guild Pride was allied with guild Champ and guild Striker. guild Champ is not allied with Striker but is with Omen. this
chat would only be possible between Pride and Champ. Striker and Omen since not allied with each other and not with both
Champ and Pride would be left out of the loop. i dont know if that would be possible but would be nice to see done.
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:36 GMT
well though it would be a nice feature in game, it might be too much hassel. i guess it would probably be best for allies to
communicate outside of game. but like i said, sure would be nice to see it in game. would be great help in a war type situation
when guild leaders try to dictate tactics to each other to coordinate the fight.
Kerrick
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 19:45 GMT
What I\'ve seen in other MUDs (text MUDs, granted...) was Guild Channels. If you were in a Guild (and ONLY if you were in that
Guild), you could talk on that channel to other Guild members. It wouldn\'t be hard to do... there\'s a game I play now, a GMUD,
that has several different types of communication.
You can\'t do Guild chat, but you can group with other players, and then use GroupTell (like Tell, but you send to the entire group
at once). And of course, Tell msgs are a different color than normal chat messages so as to differentiate them. The game also
has channels in game where you can talk to other players (really handy for coordinating group efforts or asking for help). It was
really annoying in RS trying to coordinate 5 or 6 people hunting PKers because unless you were in a chat room, you could only
talk to one of them at a time, and we ended up relaying msgs back and forth and wasting a lot of time.
But to get back on the subject, Guild support would rock. I didn\'t really care about clans in RS at first, because I was a loner,
until a friend of mine and I started our own. Proper guild support, with guilds able to have/make their own strongholds, have
wars/ally with each other, and do things for their members would add so much to the game. That guy at the table over in the
corner, instead of belonging to some group that calls itself The Dark Order, belongs to a powerful Guild that controls a good-sized
area in the slums of Yliakum, while the woman over by the bar belongs to the Order of Light, which is a dire enemy of TDO.
Making Guilds \"a part of the game\" would add depth and character to it, and it would also encourage *gasp* ROLE-PLAYING,
one of the things that RS sorely lacks. Role-playing would make the game more interesting for all, and would give the guilds a
point, rather than just having a bunch of groups with no real purpose other than to PK people and gain treasure and power (which
is what most of the clans in RS do).
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 14-11-2001 09:50 GMT
I think you\'ve hit on the purpose of PS there: to role-play not to run around mindlessly killing things so you can say you\'re \"the
best\"
Kendaro
Guest
posted 14-11-2001 10:18 GMT
i played a MMORPG and it had those chat channels as well as a few others. there was the say channel that is heard by anyone
near you. the group say that was heard only by those, and all those, in your group. there was guild say that was heard by
anyone and everyone in your guild that was online at that time. then there were three zone channels. there was a shout so you
could warn people in an area of incoming danger. there was the auction channel where you could send a msg to the zone you
were in that you had something for sale. then there was the OOC channel. this was so you could talk to the zone out of
character. each one had a different color so you could tell them apart. well almost all did. the OOC and auction channels were
both colored dark green. the guild say was colored yellow green. the shout was colored red. the grouop say was colored blue.
the say channel was simply white. you could go into your client folder and adjust the colors to what ever you wanted though. the
colors i mention were the default ones.
corsairk1
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 12:01 GMT
I was thinking more of a hierachial quest system, such that there would be one or more Gods (like a Dungeon Master or Game
Leader), who when wanted something done would contact a town or some towns, who would then contact registered guilds.
Those guilds can then assign quests to their members, and pending the completion of those they will receive rewards and pass it
down. That way, town leaders would be rewarded for having good guilds, and guilds would be rewarded for having good members.
Thats just an idea though.
CorsairK8
Engine Contributor
Oldman Kay
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 16:02 GMT
Well basically all these ideas rock.
Nothing more to say.
sanejm
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 17:43 GMT
what about guild sporting events, like battle tourements, ctf, etc. and the winning guild gets a prize from the tourement sponsor.
the prize could be anything from cash or expensive artifacts with magical propertys that affect the whole guild, to 1 very rare and
powerful weapon or several semi-rare items that can be distributed to the entire clan/guild based on rank.
HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 27-09-2001 18:47 GMT
Yeah, i was thinking of some new ideas for the game. What about a rewards system for completed quests. If you are a guild
leader, you can assign different quests to your members, and if they complete the quest, the Guild leader would givethem some
sort of reward, maybe a level up, or a item/money reward.
I have more were that came from!
Eric Brinkley a.k.a. Takrin/HeliX
HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 27-09-2001 18:55 GMT
Sorry, there is another idea i have- Maybe if Planeshift has enough Guilds, there could be a massive Guild war, were Guilds can
ally with eachother (i.e. Mage and Warrior guilds ally together) so that if there is some guild that thinks they are invincible, then
they allies can challenge them to a war.
Eric Brinkley- Applying for a job as a Background/setting worker.
P.S. There might be a downside to this, there could be a mix of allies commited to the terror of otheres (i.e. Terrorists)
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 06:11 GMT
i agree quests must have a reward. it would be nice to see the guilds having some type of support from the higher ups so that
they can be given a special item that they can put up for reward to be quested for from within their guild members. also i like the
idea of guild aliances(sp). i can see that happening on its own though. also with the talks of how PKers will be treated i can see
one or two guilds joining forces to take down a band of PKers.
one thing though. i would hope there is a guild system, a chat system i mean. something where you could use a function
something like a tell. but instead of like in a tell only going to one person, the guild tell would go to all guild members online. also
another option for guild councles(sp). where guild leaders that are allied can chat privatly to each other.
to do this there would have to be some type of system to log all guild members together. this would be for the guild chat. then
there would have to be a log for guilds that are allied. that would allow the guild allie chat between the leaders.
with the allied chat there all members participating would have to be allies with each other. what i mean by that is say for
example. guild Pride was allied with guild Champ and guild Striker. guild Champ is not allied with Striker but is with Omen. this
chat would only be possible between Pride and Champ. Striker and Omen since not allied with each other and not with both
Champ and Pride would be left out of the loop. i dont know if that would be possible but would be nice to see done.
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:36 GMT
well though it would be a nice feature in game, it might be too much hassel. i guess it would probably be best for allies to
communicate outside of game. but like i said, sure would be nice to see it in game. would be great help in a war type situation
when guild leaders try to dictate tactics to each other to coordinate the fight.
Kerrick
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 19:45 GMT
What I\'ve seen in other MUDs (text MUDs, granted...) was Guild Channels. If you were in a Guild (and ONLY if you were in that
Guild), you could talk on that channel to other Guild members. It wouldn\'t be hard to do... there\'s a game I play now, a GMUD,
that has several different types of communication.
You can\'t do Guild chat, but you can group with other players, and then use GroupTell (like Tell, but you send to the entire group
at once). And of course, Tell msgs are a different color than normal chat messages so as to differentiate them. The game also
has channels in game where you can talk to other players (really handy for coordinating group efforts or asking for help). It was
really annoying in RS trying to coordinate 5 or 6 people hunting PKers because unless you were in a chat room, you could only
talk to one of them at a time, and we ended up relaying msgs back and forth and wasting a lot of time.
But to get back on the subject, Guild support would rock. I didn\'t really care about clans in RS at first, because I was a loner,
until a friend of mine and I started our own. Proper guild support, with guilds able to have/make their own strongholds, have
wars/ally with each other, and do things for their members would add so much to the game. That guy at the table over in the
corner, instead of belonging to some group that calls itself The Dark Order, belongs to a powerful Guild that controls a good-sized
area in the slums of Yliakum, while the woman over by the bar belongs to the Order of Light, which is a dire enemy of TDO.
Making Guilds \"a part of the game\" would add depth and character to it, and it would also encourage *gasp* ROLE-PLAYING,
one of the things that RS sorely lacks. Role-playing would make the game more interesting for all, and would give the guilds a
point, rather than just having a bunch of groups with no real purpose other than to PK people and gain treasure and power (which
is what most of the clans in RS do).
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 14-11-2001 09:50 GMT
I think you\'ve hit on the purpose of PS there: to role-play not to run around mindlessly killing things so you can say you\'re \"the
best\"
Kendaro
Guest
posted 14-11-2001 10:18 GMT
i played a MMORPG and it had those chat channels as well as a few others. there was the say channel that is heard by anyone
near you. the group say that was heard only by those, and all those, in your group. there was guild say that was heard by
anyone and everyone in your guild that was online at that time. then there were three zone channels. there was a shout so you
could warn people in an area of incoming danger. there was the auction channel where you could send a msg to the zone you
were in that you had something for sale. then there was the OOC channel. this was so you could talk to the zone out of
character. each one had a different color so you could tell them apart. well almost all did. the OOC and auction channels were
both colored dark green. the guild say was colored yellow green. the shout was colored red. the grouop say was colored blue.
the say channel was simply white. you could go into your client folder and adjust the colors to what ever you wanted though. the
colors i mention were the default ones.
corsairk1
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 12:01 GMT
I was thinking more of a hierachial quest system, such that there would be one or more Gods (like a Dungeon Master or Game
Leader), who when wanted something done would contact a town or some towns, who would then contact registered guilds.
Those guilds can then assign quests to their members, and pending the completion of those they will receive rewards and pass it
down. That way, town leaders would be rewarded for having good guilds, and guilds would be rewarded for having good members.
Thats just an idea though.
CorsairK8
Engine Contributor
Oldman Kay
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 16:02 GMT
Well basically all these ideas rock.
Nothing more to say.
sanejm
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 17:43 GMT
what about guild sporting events, like battle tourements, ctf, etc. and the winning guild gets a prize from the tourement sponsor.
the prize could be anything from cash or expensive artifacts with magical propertys that affect the whole guild, to 1 very rare and
powerful weapon or several semi-rare items that can be distributed to the entire clan/guild based on rank.
252
Wish list / Politics, wealth
« on: January 06, 2002, 04:00:45 pm »
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oru_chan
Guest
posted 26-09-2001 09:57 GMT
Politics:
It\'s be great to have government being run similar to current real world government which would allow for PCs to be able to run for
election. Of course they would need to obtain the votes (assuming the game starts with a democratic government) which would
require a lot of player interaction (in order to gain PC votes). NPC votes might be dependent on your fame and prestige so
entering the game and running straight for election will probably get you nowhere - you may need to go out and do some great
things first. If a player gets elected and says he/she will run a democratic government but somehow (if possible) then sets up a
dictatorship to ensure he stays in power forever then he may risk civil war or maybe the NPC population may diminish and
relocate to another town (more on that below). The loss/gain of NPC population (and most likely PC population) can be a powerful
thing as these are the people who are paying the taxes. Such a system means government is most effective when you have a
happy population irrespective of the type of government (i.e. democratic, monarchy, fascist, etc).
Money:
In many RPGs, after you\'ve played for quite a while, you end up with a tonne of money and nothing to spend it on. It would be
great to be able to buy shops, taverns, etc to create more wealth. Eventually you\'d be able to able to build a castle/stronghold
somewhere which would be the start of a new town. This automatically sets up a monachy government which follows the same
principal as outlined above. If you can keep the population safe and happy then your population will grow. Population growth of
course creates new problems/opportunities which need to be overcome. Eventually you would levy taxes, create a militia, etc.
This would give players a long term objective and the world would gradually take it\'s own shape rather than that given by the world
designers.
Anyway, just some ideas and I\'d be interested to hear what others think.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 05:32 GMT
What you described follows more along the genres of a simulation game, with controlling a government, etc. Planeshift is going
to be a Role Playing Game. We are possibly going to deal with features such as you stated, but limiting to tavern and housing.
(most likely).
coru_chan
Guest
posted 28-09-2001 10:12 GMT
Oops - sorry; I better explain a little more. One person wouldn\'t control the whole government but rather a single person can run
for a single position. Maybe the theives guild wants to lossen up the laws so when they get caught thieving the punishment is
negligable. In order to do that they run for election and (over time) get 5 people in to the top 8 positions; they now have majority
vote and may start proposing law changes. Eventually this sort of law degradation attracts more thieves to the town as they can
get away with their activities. Local citizens, who are now getting sick of getting ripped off, decide that they don\'t like this town
and decide to move elsewhere. As you can imagine the town is now degrading into a pit of the low morality citizens. The thieves
guild might like this especially as they run the whole show. What started as a democracy has now degraded into a kind of
oligarchy (Rule by a small group wielding virtually unlimited power for evil or selfish goals). As you can see each person must
play a small part but the over all \"personality\" of the town has totally changed.
HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 28-09-2001 19:10 GMT
that is a genious idea, never seen that in an RPG!
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 22:23 GMT
The reason it has not been used: It is unplausible and can be very difficult. One thing we may possibly be doing is allowing
certain players (ie: our staff, players that we wish to reward, etc.) to take the positions of government, and either appoint them
ourselves, or to allow the players to vote for our candidates we select. However, a general with the other players would not
function possibly, as it is risky.
Also, as you described it in your first post, you seem to have gotten carried away, which lead me to the belief that you meant
larger control than you did. Apologies there.
~Avatar~
Wic
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 22:43 GMT
Geez, what kind of barbie world game this will be? Lineage has this kind of system. There\'s some castle which can be
conquered if you have a guild. The guild leader becomes the king/queen if he manages to capture it, and can for example raise or
lower the taxes. Also he/she can control the castle guards what you have to kill if you want to conquer the castle. The guards will
respawn after the castle has been conquered (I think), or then you can buy new ones. I don\'t know the system so well, but
seemingly it seems to work.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 08-10-2001 09:27 GMT
it has to be said that in lineage there are no citizen\'s at all, except for some horks that wanderaround and have no AI at all.
Besifdes, capturing a castle is something totally different from governing a city. (being the ruler of a castle if your charisma is
high enough -do you use charisma?)
and after all, lineage isn\'t an FP RPG.
Thekkur
Wic
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 01:40 GMT
yeah, I know Lineage sucks. It has charisma attribute, but I don\'t think you can use it in the whole game.
And what\'s this citizen thing? what are those? NPC\'s or PC\'s?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 04:53 GMT
PC\'s :player characters. characters in the game controlled by a human being. usually PC\'s are adventurers.
NPC\'s:non-player characters. characters in the game that are not directly controlled by a player, (-especially not in a pc rpg, in
real-life rpg\'s the gamemaster/dungeonmaster controls the NPC) but that can interact normally with PC\'s. an example of an NPC
is an evil ruler.
characters: there is no particular word for them, but the beings usually indicated as \'characters\' or \'0 level characters\' are all the
other living beings you can encounter in an RPG. Merchandisers, low-int monsters, animals and citizen all belong to this
catagory.
a citizen is an inhabitant of a city.
villagers are inhabitants of a village, foresters live in a forest etc.
Thekkur
coru_chan
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 06:43 GMT
I notice that PKing is a hot topic and here\'s one reason why I make the suggestion about the governing bodies that I do.
Basically the ruling body would be able to set the laws regarding killing of \"citizens\" (both PCs and NPCs). Then players which
wish to PK will naturally migrate to cities which allow PKing and those that don\'t will stay clear. Let\'s go back to my previous
scenario of where the thieves guild now runs the city of XXXXXX. The city is rough; killing and theft have become a way of life.
Player Y has played for a while and is a high ranking Paladin. He decides he would like to try and rule a city but politics are not
his strong point; how else do you get to rule a city? By attacking it and destroying the governing body. Paladin Y now has to
recruit an army to overrun this city and do it quietly if he wishes to gain a surprise advantage. This sort of scenario now requires
much team work and heavy interaction by all involved players and I\'m a firm believer that player interaction greatly increases and
RPG. Want to run around just killing stuff? Play Diablo. Anyway, this is one way in which PKing can be catered to all people.
Col
Wic
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 12:21 GMT
so citizen can be PC or NPC?
And yes, I know the difference between PC and NPC
whitti
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 17:02 GMT
I\'m reviving this post its old and interesting and half un answered
corsairk1
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 20:25 GMT
In my opinion, maintaining a world with a complex system of government isnt easy. There are bound to be problems and I think it
is unrealistic to expect to make this game a complete simulation of a real world political system.
It would be interesting to see and perhaps if the team could get together when the engine is a bit more finished and try it out to
see how it goes then that would be cool...
CorsairK8
Engine Contrib.
Ancient One
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 22:44 GMT
Erm, I know this is old but actually
PC= Character controlled by Human.
NPC= Everything else even monsters, wildlife and all that stuff.
Well this is if you play games like Fallout, Arcanum, Silver, Septerra Core etc. If you play D&D games then its probably different.
Oh yeah and Characters= people in the game, persona\'s etc.
oru_chan
Guest
posted 26-09-2001 09:57 GMT
Politics:
It\'s be great to have government being run similar to current real world government which would allow for PCs to be able to run for
election. Of course they would need to obtain the votes (assuming the game starts with a democratic government) which would
require a lot of player interaction (in order to gain PC votes). NPC votes might be dependent on your fame and prestige so
entering the game and running straight for election will probably get you nowhere - you may need to go out and do some great
things first. If a player gets elected and says he/she will run a democratic government but somehow (if possible) then sets up a
dictatorship to ensure he stays in power forever then he may risk civil war or maybe the NPC population may diminish and
relocate to another town (more on that below). The loss/gain of NPC population (and most likely PC population) can be a powerful
thing as these are the people who are paying the taxes. Such a system means government is most effective when you have a
happy population irrespective of the type of government (i.e. democratic, monarchy, fascist, etc).
Money:
In many RPGs, after you\'ve played for quite a while, you end up with a tonne of money and nothing to spend it on. It would be
great to be able to buy shops, taverns, etc to create more wealth. Eventually you\'d be able to able to build a castle/stronghold
somewhere which would be the start of a new town. This automatically sets up a monachy government which follows the same
principal as outlined above. If you can keep the population safe and happy then your population will grow. Population growth of
course creates new problems/opportunities which need to be overcome. Eventually you would levy taxes, create a militia, etc.
This would give players a long term objective and the world would gradually take it\'s own shape rather than that given by the world
designers.
Anyway, just some ideas and I\'d be interested to hear what others think.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 05:32 GMT
What you described follows more along the genres of a simulation game, with controlling a government, etc. Planeshift is going
to be a Role Playing Game. We are possibly going to deal with features such as you stated, but limiting to tavern and housing.
(most likely).
coru_chan
Guest
posted 28-09-2001 10:12 GMT
Oops - sorry; I better explain a little more. One person wouldn\'t control the whole government but rather a single person can run
for a single position. Maybe the theives guild wants to lossen up the laws so when they get caught thieving the punishment is
negligable. In order to do that they run for election and (over time) get 5 people in to the top 8 positions; they now have majority
vote and may start proposing law changes. Eventually this sort of law degradation attracts more thieves to the town as they can
get away with their activities. Local citizens, who are now getting sick of getting ripped off, decide that they don\'t like this town
and decide to move elsewhere. As you can imagine the town is now degrading into a pit of the low morality citizens. The thieves
guild might like this especially as they run the whole show. What started as a democracy has now degraded into a kind of
oligarchy (Rule by a small group wielding virtually unlimited power for evil or selfish goals). As you can see each person must
play a small part but the over all \"personality\" of the town has totally changed.
HeliX
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 28-09-2001 19:10 GMT
that is a genious idea, never seen that in an RPG!
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 22:23 GMT
The reason it has not been used: It is unplausible and can be very difficult. One thing we may possibly be doing is allowing
certain players (ie: our staff, players that we wish to reward, etc.) to take the positions of government, and either appoint them
ourselves, or to allow the players to vote for our candidates we select. However, a general with the other players would not
function possibly, as it is risky.
Also, as you described it in your first post, you seem to have gotten carried away, which lead me to the belief that you meant
larger control than you did. Apologies there.
~Avatar~
Wic
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 22:43 GMT
Geez, what kind of barbie world game this will be? Lineage has this kind of system. There\'s some castle which can be
conquered if you have a guild. The guild leader becomes the king/queen if he manages to capture it, and can for example raise or
lower the taxes. Also he/she can control the castle guards what you have to kill if you want to conquer the castle. The guards will
respawn after the castle has been conquered (I think), or then you can buy new ones. I don\'t know the system so well, but
seemingly it seems to work.
Thekkur
Guest
posted 08-10-2001 09:27 GMT
it has to be said that in lineage there are no citizen\'s at all, except for some horks that wanderaround and have no AI at all.
Besifdes, capturing a castle is something totally different from governing a city. (being the ruler of a castle if your charisma is
high enough -do you use charisma?)
and after all, lineage isn\'t an FP RPG.
Thekkur
Wic
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 01:40 GMT
yeah, I know Lineage sucks. It has charisma attribute, but I don\'t think you can use it in the whole game.
And what\'s this citizen thing? what are those? NPC\'s or PC\'s?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 04:53 GMT
PC\'s :player characters. characters in the game controlled by a human being. usually PC\'s are adventurers.
NPC\'s:non-player characters. characters in the game that are not directly controlled by a player, (-especially not in a pc rpg, in
real-life rpg\'s the gamemaster/dungeonmaster controls the NPC) but that can interact normally with PC\'s. an example of an NPC
is an evil ruler.
characters: there is no particular word for them, but the beings usually indicated as \'characters\' or \'0 level characters\' are all the
other living beings you can encounter in an RPG. Merchandisers, low-int monsters, animals and citizen all belong to this
catagory.
a citizen is an inhabitant of a city.
villagers are inhabitants of a village, foresters live in a forest etc.
Thekkur
coru_chan
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 06:43 GMT
I notice that PKing is a hot topic and here\'s one reason why I make the suggestion about the governing bodies that I do.
Basically the ruling body would be able to set the laws regarding killing of \"citizens\" (both PCs and NPCs). Then players which
wish to PK will naturally migrate to cities which allow PKing and those that don\'t will stay clear. Let\'s go back to my previous
scenario of where the thieves guild now runs the city of XXXXXX. The city is rough; killing and theft have become a way of life.
Player Y has played for a while and is a high ranking Paladin. He decides he would like to try and rule a city but politics are not
his strong point; how else do you get to rule a city? By attacking it and destroying the governing body. Paladin Y now has to
recruit an army to overrun this city and do it quietly if he wishes to gain a surprise advantage. This sort of scenario now requires
much team work and heavy interaction by all involved players and I\'m a firm believer that player interaction greatly increases and
RPG. Want to run around just killing stuff? Play Diablo. Anyway, this is one way in which PKing can be catered to all people.
Col
Wic
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 12:21 GMT
so citizen can be PC or NPC?
And yes, I know the difference between PC and NPC
whitti
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 17:02 GMT
I\'m reviving this post its old and interesting and half un answered
corsairk1
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 20:25 GMT
In my opinion, maintaining a world with a complex system of government isnt easy. There are bound to be problems and I think it
is unrealistic to expect to make this game a complete simulation of a real world political system.
It would be interesting to see and perhaps if the team could get together when the engine is a bit more finished and try it out to
see how it goes then that would be cool...
CorsairK8
Engine Contrib.
Ancient One
Guest
posted 18-11-2001 22:44 GMT
Erm, I know this is old but actually
PC= Character controlled by Human.
NPC= Everything else even monsters, wildlife and all that stuff.
Well this is if you play games like Fallout, Arcanum, Silver, Septerra Core etc. If you play D&D games then its probably different.
Oh yeah and Characters= people in the game, persona\'s etc.
253
Granted or negated Wishes / Skills
« on: January 06, 2002, 03:56:07 pm »
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lpancallo
PS Director
posted 18-09-2001 21:28 GMT
Which skills you want to have during character creation?
Please tell us your opinion!
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 19-09-2001 20:14 GMT
Could you pleasre explain what you mean in a bit more detail?
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 19-09-2001 22:51 GMT
Sorry for being to short in my answer!
Actually in PlaneShift we have skills like:
One-handed weapons
Two-handed weapons
....
Magic
....
Hide in Shadow
Open Locks
....
etc....
Every char can learn some of them to improve his combat, magic, stealth, etc...
Which proficiencies (skills) you would like to have in the game?
Bye,
Luca.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 20-09-2001 19:31 GMT
Ah, i see what you mean now
One-handed weapons and two-handed weapons as well as bows - the one and two-handed idea is different from most online
RPGS but there is the possibility of being too generic, depends how specific you want them to be (i personally prefer different
types of weapon, like Axes, Swords, etc.)
The magical skills shouldn\'t just be lumped together into one skill called \"Magic\". This is far too generic, like having a skill called
\"Weapons\". It should be split into different types of magic, such as \"Healing\", \"Protective Magic\" - this need a bit of thought i
think, depending on how complex the magic system is the boundaries may end up lying in different places.
Other skill should include stealth skills - i think skills should depend on race as well, for example the \"Swimming\" skill should be
more easily accessible to the amphibeous race (i forget what their name is...), whereas humans could have a very wide variety of
skills but not be able to specialise as much as other races.
Just a few thoughts
- Mike \"Catalyst88\" Streatfield
Kismic
Guest
posted 23-09-2001 20:19 GMT
Ever played ROM type MUDs? I think you should use an improved system of it, its very addictive even though its text based.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 23-09-2001 22:48 GMT
Could you possibly expand on what you mean by a \"ROM type mod\"?
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 22:27 GMT
A note regarding your comments on the magic system:
The magic system is very complex, and does not revolve around one single primary skill, such as magic. We have a large
structure developed, and I am sure it will be enjoyed.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 28-09-2001 22:33 GMT
Fantastic
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-10-2001 20:35 GMT
a use rope proficiency would become really handy... I always like throwing a grappling hook! I expect there to be the normal
proficiencies such as climbing, running, fast movement etc ofcourse!
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 02-10-2001 20:49 GMT
That would come under physical characteristics, which, btw, i think should be separated from the \"skills/proficiencies\" (or
whatever you want to call them
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 10:34 GMT
hmmm... two-handed weapon use and hide in shadows are clearly proficiencies at my opinion... magic is a class isn\'t it?
But allright, maybe I\'m too much a AD&D player. hehehe
Thekkur
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 13:52 GMT
We don\'t use classes in Planeshift.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 16:58 GMT
okay.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 19:11 GMT
The way i see it, \"magic\" would be a proficiency (possibly developed in preference to any others - possibly at the expense of
them, after all, we don\'t want \"super-warriors\" to roam the land who are the best at everything do we?). But magic would also
depend on certain characteristics of the player, for example \"Intelligence\" or somesuch (these possibly developed at the expense
of others too... hmm actually that\'s a point, what sort of methods of capping skills/characteristics are there gonna be?)
markus
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 19:49 GMT
I think there should be more skills for warrior style players, as in my experiance most warrior chars are alwayy boring to play with
as they tend to only be able to hit stuff. Maybe you could introduce things like parrying, fencing and dodging to make warriors
more fun.
just a thought
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 20:52 GMT
Maybe special disciplines, like some are better defensively, some more attacking, different types of hit - some go in for
poisoning/light hits but many, some prefer to stand back and make lunging attacks once the enemy\'s defense has been broken
down, etc.?
markus
Guest
posted 06-10-2001 14:56 GMT
sounds good
Wic
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 13:28 GMT
no classes? good, was about a time someone came up with it. As my friend in other boards told that he just hates when a
warrior can\'t use a staff, nor a mage can\'t use a sword. What in earth prevents a mage for lifing a sword? Maybe strenght, but
that should be the only reason.
I agree that parrying and dodging is a must. AD&D has only AC which means the strenght of the armor. So basically you just
stand there when an enemy whacks you, hoping that your armor can take it.
For skills, I would add all the skills what AD&D has (like lockpicking, pickpocketing, and detecting traps), plus all what the game
requires. Like building. And parrying and movement.
Then I have got an another idea. When a warrior wears a heavy plate mail, his movement and parrying would decrease, althought
AC would increase. But if he wears a light armor, his movement and parrying wouldn\'t change, but his AC would be lower than
when wearing a plate mail.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 14:33 GMT
I don\'t think PS was going for classes anyway, but i do agree with you. That\'s why i think a set of basic attributes (read: strength,
etc.), possibly based on the race that you adopt (NOT the same as classes and a set of learnt skills (NOT the same as
attributes is the best way to go about it.
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 06:50 GMT
a few fighting type skills i look to see is not limited to one or two handed weapons. i would like to see the ability to also duel
wield. use two, one handers at the same time. also i see need for an ability to hit with the hilt of the weapon. this to cause a stun
effect or to push an attacker back for a second or two. a dodge, parry, block, and repost ability is also needed. another thing is
hand to hand. since there was mention of martial arts, hand to hand is nearly a must. this would have to be an ability that would
use both hands and inclued kicks as well. having an ability or actualy an edge in the ability to mend armors and weapons would
also be something a fighter should have. also lastly i think fighters need an ability to heal themselves a bit. only slightly.
something like bandaging or mending wounds.
the only problem i can think of is that everyone would have those skills. i think they should only be allowed to those that join a
warrior or fighter occupation. those that join a caster occupation shouldnt learn these skills. instead they would learn skill that
would aid in their casting abilities.
for caster abilities i see a foccuss skill needed. would take longer to cast the spell but the spell would be more effective. a
quickcast ability would allow for a fast shot or two maybe making it less effective but allowing several to be cast one after
another. you cant realy give casters too many skills though cause their spells are so diversified. though one thing i would like to
add to casters is a crafting ability. it would allow themn to enchant, so to speak, item such as their own garmits so that they
would have magical properties. to aid them in protecting themselves since they cant wear the heavy armors of fighters.
i have to say though i am a bit confussed about the fact there are no classes but yet you mention there are no can do it all types
either. i wish i could get that explained a bit more clearly. if there isnt a difference in the skill choices available then my ideas just
flew out the window. how exactly will players be diferent from one another other than by race? with no actual classes to seperate
them what will?
Mara_Jade
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 07:06 GMT
I\'m in for the two-handed weapon use. It would be really neat, if you could combine different sets of weapons :-)
```Mara Jade???
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:39 GMT
forgot to mention weapon skills. like a special slash or special attack that is granted every so many rounds. one that will boost
the fighter\'s abilities or allow them to do more damage in that attack. this attack would grow stronger as the character advances
in lvl.
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 18-09-2001 21:28 GMT
Which skills you want to have during character creation?
Please tell us your opinion!
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 19-09-2001 20:14 GMT
Could you pleasre explain what you mean in a bit more detail?
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 19-09-2001 22:51 GMT
Sorry for being to short in my answer!
Actually in PlaneShift we have skills like:
One-handed weapons
Two-handed weapons
....
Magic
....
Hide in Shadow
Open Locks
....
etc....
Every char can learn some of them to improve his combat, magic, stealth, etc...
Which proficiencies (skills) you would like to have in the game?
Bye,
Luca.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 20-09-2001 19:31 GMT
Ah, i see what you mean now
One-handed weapons and two-handed weapons as well as bows - the one and two-handed idea is different from most online
RPGS but there is the possibility of being too generic, depends how specific you want them to be (i personally prefer different
types of weapon, like Axes, Swords, etc.)
The magical skills shouldn\'t just be lumped together into one skill called \"Magic\". This is far too generic, like having a skill called
\"Weapons\". It should be split into different types of magic, such as \"Healing\", \"Protective Magic\" - this need a bit of thought i
think, depending on how complex the magic system is the boundaries may end up lying in different places.
Other skill should include stealth skills - i think skills should depend on race as well, for example the \"Swimming\" skill should be
more easily accessible to the amphibeous race (i forget what their name is...), whereas humans could have a very wide variety of
skills but not be able to specialise as much as other races.
Just a few thoughts
- Mike \"Catalyst88\" Streatfield
Kismic
Guest
posted 23-09-2001 20:19 GMT
Ever played ROM type MUDs? I think you should use an improved system of it, its very addictive even though its text based.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 23-09-2001 22:48 GMT
Could you possibly expand on what you mean by a \"ROM type mod\"?
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 28-09-2001 22:27 GMT
A note regarding your comments on the magic system:
The magic system is very complex, and does not revolve around one single primary skill, such as magic. We have a large
structure developed, and I am sure it will be enjoyed.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 28-09-2001 22:33 GMT
Fantastic
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 02-10-2001 20:35 GMT
a use rope proficiency would become really handy... I always like throwing a grappling hook! I expect there to be the normal
proficiencies such as climbing, running, fast movement etc ofcourse!
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 02-10-2001 20:49 GMT
That would come under physical characteristics, which, btw, i think should be separated from the \"skills/proficiencies\" (or
whatever you want to call them
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 10:34 GMT
hmmm... two-handed weapon use and hide in shadows are clearly proficiencies at my opinion... magic is a class isn\'t it?
But allright, maybe I\'m too much a AD&D player. hehehe
Thekkur
icebolt
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 13:52 GMT
We don\'t use classes in Planeshift.
Thekkur
PS W.T.B. Member
posted 03-10-2001 16:58 GMT
okay.
Thekkur
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 19:11 GMT
The way i see it, \"magic\" would be a proficiency (possibly developed in preference to any others - possibly at the expense of
them, after all, we don\'t want \"super-warriors\" to roam the land who are the best at everything do we?). But magic would also
depend on certain characteristics of the player, for example \"Intelligence\" or somesuch (these possibly developed at the expense
of others too... hmm actually that\'s a point, what sort of methods of capping skills/characteristics are there gonna be?)
markus
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 19:49 GMT
I think there should be more skills for warrior style players, as in my experiance most warrior chars are alwayy boring to play with
as they tend to only be able to hit stuff. Maybe you could introduce things like parrying, fencing and dodging to make warriors
more fun.
just a thought
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 03-10-2001 20:52 GMT
Maybe special disciplines, like some are better defensively, some more attacking, different types of hit - some go in for
poisoning/light hits but many, some prefer to stand back and make lunging attacks once the enemy\'s defense has been broken
down, etc.?
markus
Guest
posted 06-10-2001 14:56 GMT
sounds good
Wic
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 13:28 GMT
no classes? good, was about a time someone came up with it. As my friend in other boards told that he just hates when a
warrior can\'t use a staff, nor a mage can\'t use a sword. What in earth prevents a mage for lifing a sword? Maybe strenght, but
that should be the only reason.
I agree that parrying and dodging is a must. AD&D has only AC which means the strenght of the armor. So basically you just
stand there when an enemy whacks you, hoping that your armor can take it.
For skills, I would add all the skills what AD&D has (like lockpicking, pickpocketing, and detecting traps), plus all what the game
requires. Like building. And parrying and movement.
Then I have got an another idea. When a warrior wears a heavy plate mail, his movement and parrying would decrease, althought
AC would increase. But if he wears a light armor, his movement and parrying wouldn\'t change, but his AC would be lower than
when wearing a plate mail.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 14:33 GMT
I don\'t think PS was going for classes anyway, but i do agree with you. That\'s why i think a set of basic attributes (read: strength,
etc.), possibly based on the race that you adopt (NOT the same as classes
and a set of learnt skills (NOT the same asattributes
is the best way to go about it.Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 06:50 GMT
a few fighting type skills i look to see is not limited to one or two handed weapons. i would like to see the ability to also duel
wield. use two, one handers at the same time. also i see need for an ability to hit with the hilt of the weapon. this to cause a stun
effect or to push an attacker back for a second or two. a dodge, parry, block, and repost ability is also needed. another thing is
hand to hand. since there was mention of martial arts, hand to hand is nearly a must. this would have to be an ability that would
use both hands and inclued kicks as well. having an ability or actualy an edge in the ability to mend armors and weapons would
also be something a fighter should have. also lastly i think fighters need an ability to heal themselves a bit. only slightly.
something like bandaging or mending wounds.
the only problem i can think of is that everyone would have those skills. i think they should only be allowed to those that join a
warrior or fighter occupation. those that join a caster occupation shouldnt learn these skills. instead they would learn skill that
would aid in their casting abilities.
for caster abilities i see a foccuss skill needed. would take longer to cast the spell but the spell would be more effective. a
quickcast ability would allow for a fast shot or two maybe making it less effective but allowing several to be cast one after
another. you cant realy give casters too many skills though cause their spells are so diversified. though one thing i would like to
add to casters is a crafting ability. it would allow themn to enchant, so to speak, item such as their own garmits so that they
would have magical properties. to aid them in protecting themselves since they cant wear the heavy armors of fighters.
i have to say though i am a bit confussed about the fact there are no classes but yet you mention there are no can do it all types
either. i wish i could get that explained a bit more clearly. if there isnt a difference in the skill choices available then my ideas just
flew out the window. how exactly will players be diferent from one another other than by race? with no actual classes to seperate
them what will?
Mara_Jade
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 07:06 GMT
I\'m in for the two-handed weapon use. It would be really neat, if you could combine different sets of weapons :-)
```Mara Jade???
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:39 GMT
forgot to mention weapon skills. like a special slash or special attack that is granted every so many rounds. one that will boost
the fighter\'s abilities or allow them to do more damage in that attack. this attack would grow stronger as the character advances
in lvl.
254
Granted or negated Wishes / Hunting as a group
« on: January 06, 2002, 03:54:34 pm »
THIS MESSAGE IS TAKEN FROM OLD BOARD:
Raze
Guest
posted 14-09-2001 17:38 GMT
I would like it so that people can hunt in a group so that people can get to kill the harder monsters with help from others.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 14-09-2001 22:37 GMT
Rest assured Planeshift will definatly have this feature. Glad to hear many questions from planeshift fans.
-Michael Gevaryahu- Planeshift Public Relations Manager
Buechler
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 22:14 GMT
Does this mean that say 2 humans can attack the same orc or bat at one time?? Cause if so that would be cool. And on flip side
multiple monsters should be able to gang up on players.
These features would truly make Planeshift great. And on Everquest the exp all goes to the person who dealt the most damage.
But if the players are in a group, the exp is shared equally.
k3nshin
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 23:15 GMT
is most of the world gonna be forests with big big trees and lot of monster groups?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 23:58 GMT
don\'t expect that... Trees need a lot of data, or they will look seriously crappy. A lotta data means a lot a bandwidth, and that\'s
what a free server hasn\'t. More likely there will be vast dungeons to explore. If you look at the geographic setting of planeshift,
you will see that most of the game-area will be underground. Or that\'s what I make up from the stories.
I think there will be underground caverns in which groups of monsters can ambush player, but i\'m not quite sure of that...
(actually, I\'m just making it up, hoping to see it back in-game... )
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 03:44 GMT
I also hope there some lands to explore where its not in a cave or dungeon. Such as grassland or forest,etc. (Because I love
battles especially between players where they chase each other over grassland) Maybe grassland areas cold be an optional
patch not automatically auto patched in Planeshift.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 04:58 GMT
Planeshift takes place, as is read in the docs (which I need to update as well, oops), in an underground city and its surroundings,
after a cataclysmic event that altered and broke the world. The surface is scarred, and many wonder about the truth of this
orange sphere, this \"sun\" that they have been told of in legend. However, the crystal provides enough heat and light to allow
grasslands and farmland to thrive on the upper levels. Also, there could possibly be caves that have an energy-flow inside them,
creating a small meadow deep within the Labyrinths. Does this answer your question?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 14:24 GMT
AWESOME!!! That also eliminates the huge grasslands without any plans or housings that you see in other MMOG\'s... Running
around for hours without seeing anybody simply sux.
Thekkur
Raze
Guest
posted 14-09-2001 17:38 GMT
I would like it so that people can hunt in a group so that people can get to kill the harder monsters with help from others.
Firestorm
PS Official Member
posted 14-09-2001 22:37 GMT
Rest assured Planeshift will definatly have this feature. Glad to hear many questions from planeshift fans.
-Michael Gevaryahu- Planeshift Public Relations Manager
Buechler
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 22:14 GMT
Does this mean that say 2 humans can attack the same orc or bat at one time?? Cause if so that would be cool. And on flip side
multiple monsters should be able to gang up on players.
These features would truly make Planeshift great. And on Everquest the exp all goes to the person who dealt the most damage.
But if the players are in a group, the exp is shared equally.
k3nshin
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 23:15 GMT
is most of the world gonna be forests with big big trees and lot of monster groups?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 11-10-2001 23:58 GMT
don\'t expect that... Trees need a lot of data, or they will look seriously crappy. A lotta data means a lot a bandwidth, and that\'s
what a free server hasn\'t. More likely there will be vast dungeons to explore. If you look at the geographic setting of planeshift,
you will see that most of the game-area will be underground. Or that\'s what I make up from the stories.
I think there will be underground caverns in which groups of monsters can ambush player, but i\'m not quite sure of that...
(actually, I\'m just making it up, hoping to see it back in-game... )
Thekkur
Buechler
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 03:44 GMT
I also hope there some lands to explore where its not in a cave or dungeon. Such as grassland or forest,etc. (Because I love
battles especially between players where they chase each other over grassland) Maybe grassland areas cold be an optional
patch not automatically auto patched in Planeshift.
AVATAR
PS Official Member
posted 12-10-2001 04:58 GMT
Planeshift takes place, as is read in the docs (which I need to update as well, oops), in an underground city and its surroundings,
after a cataclysmic event that altered and broke the world. The surface is scarred, and many wonder about the truth of this
orange sphere, this \"sun\" that they have been told of in legend. However, the crystal provides enough heat and light to allow
grasslands and farmland to thrive on the upper levels. Also, there could possibly be caves that have an energy-flow inside them,
creating a small meadow deep within the Labyrinths. Does this answer your question?
Thekkur
Guest
posted 12-10-2001 14:24 GMT
AWESOME!!! That also eliminates the huge grasslands without any plans or housings that you see in other MMOG\'s... Running
around for hours without seeing anybody simply sux.
Thekkur
255
OmEgAx2
Guest
posted 02-09-2001 10:15 GMT
mabey you should get jobs in the game other than farming. Like a Miner, Smith, Cook, Merchant, Hunter, Crafter, Fisher,
etc...etc..etc...
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 02-09-2001 17:03 GMT
Do you think that this can be playable jobs? For sure the majority of players will prefer to do the \"adventurer\" instead of smith, cook, crafter, etc... Anyway we have a job system in the making. The jobs can be done on-line, but will be a great thing when player is off-line.
If the player return to his/her shop or activity, and then disconnects, the shop can function normally and provide a certain amount of money.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 02-09-2001 17:23 GMT
I think you\'d be surprised by the amount of people who\'d like to roleplay blacksmiths, carpenters, etc. Although many will choose
to go adventuring, other jobs offer a more interesting and diverse world, and also maybe something else to do if you don\'t fancy
going off killing stuff - a break from adveturing if you will
corgan
Guest
posted 04-09-2001 09:26 GMT
Only some jobs could work. For example a player could adventure heaps and build a collection of a lot of weapons rather than
running around to sell them they could open up a shop. Or perhaps you could own a shop that is run by a bot and you have to
refresh its stocks by finding weapons.
Hory
Guest
posted 07-10-2001 23:31 GMT
I too strongly suggest implementing those jobs... It can be a way of making money, of specialization and making the players
different between themselves.....
It also gives the game some purposes. You don\'t only go around searching for enemies, you can for example try to reach an
abandoned mine....... there could be ghosts in it of course, so when you get to the rocks that you have to mine, you\'re going to
be very glad and you\'ll have a great pleasure mining around until the next ghosts appears and you gotta run, but you\'ll know you
have what to bring to your blacksmith friend so he can smith you a special thing. Cooking could be great too ..... you could trade
with a fisherman so that he gives you 10 fish, you cook them,and you give 5 to him back....... And fishing doesn\'t have to be
easy..... the good fishing places could be surronded by all types of creatures.....
And the merchant, well that\'s not really a job cause everyone will probably trade, you\'ll be a good merchant if you\'ll have a lot of
thing to trade so that people will seek you when they need something..... Believe me, the \"jobs\" are really important
Thekkur
Guest
posted 08-10-2001 09:19 GMT
hmm... real jobs would be cool, but there are limitations ofcourse. For example, if you are a carpenter, I think it would be
practicly impossible to let you design chair\'s in-game and sell them to NPC\'s that come in your shop. And if you\'re a fisherman,
you might go out and fish, but you would then only be able to sell it, not to clean the fish, salten it, and store it.
I would rather call \'jobs\' professions.
I suggest that your profession is merely a proficiency in-game. Like when yo? have grown up in a family of fisheman, you can
most likely fish, and was actually going to become a fisherman, until you wandered of to go adventuring. However, you can fish,
and this might be extremely helpfull when alone in a forest without any food. The same applies for hunters, and miners would be
able to find more gems when wandering through a dungeon.
I think professions like carpenter, or wooden shoe maker wouldn\'t be of any use though, and will also be almost impossible to
realise.
Thekkur
k3nshin
Guest
posted 09-10-2001 06:53 GMT
why not have a age system?
Child
Teen
Adult
Have it like when your young u get born it to a certain type of family (blacksmiths..etc) and u have a mother and father who teach
u? that would be very cool
TheDaiv
Guest
posted 22-10-2001 00:33 GMT
I like the prof idea... setting yourself up to an exclusive job sounds a bit boring however, my idea, have an option to use some
stats each lvl to build up your prof lvl... that way min-maxers can ignore the prof, but full rp\'ers can have a fuller char. I am SOOO
sick of the fact that the majority of on-line games are simply chat rooms that you kill things in... rhe prof could prevent PlaneShift
from going that way... also it would rock if you can open a store, get a bot to run it as in prev response, and your adventuring
would help stock the store.
Also the prof/store bit would add a ne spectrum to quests ie...
BobMarley, my lvl 12 Warrior/Carptener must journey to the lowest layer of the Labryinth to extract the left toenail of the Demon
lord Jojo, which Keebler, the blacksmith will turn into a super chisel, I can create the Ebony Duckhead bookstands that Wawa, A
lvl 21 wizard, needs to give Lord Jerky on his daughters aniversary...
Think of the possibilities!!!
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 22-10-2001 21:19 GMT
You may find proffessions boring, but in my mind they\'re more interesting than going adventuring... and although i like to do that
too profs are one way to greatly increase the scope of the world\'s history and storyline in general...
coru_chan
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 08:14 GMT
Why have a game where you role play a job? I do that at least 40 hours a week already; the whole reason for playing PS is to
ignore real life for a while.
TheDaiv
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 10:49 GMT
Its not that I think the idea of jobs are boring... it\'s that exclusivly doing a job seems boring. I mean, true, a lvl 20 Blacksmith can
make really cool nails, but only bieng able to look forward to the next shipment of iron, then making somthin, then waiting again
does not seem as fun as a Lvl 20 Warrior who is a part time Blacksmith, and uses the loot he finds to make exciting new items.
This would add a really cool part to the quest element of the game... especially for several part quests... bring 1 dragon scale, 2
pts albino orc blood, 3 ingots of dwarf iron, and a pound of Red gold, mix them together and wala! One Waffle Iron of Doom
Also, I think you should gain xp for building things... like you just did this grand quest, got your items, depending on Blacksmith
skill, either make item or make mess, and if you suceed in making item, you get loads of xp.
Muchas Funnas!
Thekkur
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 11:29 GMT
I think I posted such an idea in an earlier thread about professions. If you will be able to sell the things you made, you can have a
real prof. You can for example use your guildhouse to sell the things(if you\'re truly not an adventurer. Guild houses should have a
sign outside, with the name of the guild on it. If you start a blacksmithing guild and hang out the sign, everybody in the city
knows that they can buy their weapons at your place.) If you ARE an adventurer, you could sell things at inn\'s, taverns, the
guardhouse (the npc guards need wepons too, don\'t they?) and at markets.
Thekkur
Paradagnae
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 23:15 GMT
i would love to be some sord of musician.. and then ppl pay you to play ;-)
or some kind of salesman... [one who travels around with his gear] maybe companioned by some nice girl ;-) [any volunteers]
and maybe with some ppl to protect him against thieves
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:00 GMT
thing about these professions is they cant be too teadious(sp). like for example in so many games smithing was a pain in the
kiester. you had to buy the ore and make the ore into brick, take the brick and make it into a sheet, take the sheet and fold it,
take the folded sheet and then forge it to a blade. you then had to start again with ore to make a block, then forge the block into
a hilt. then you would combine the blade and the hilt together for a sword. then you risked a chance of failing the final combine
and you lost all that work.
there just has to be a better system than that. like for example if you failed, instead of loosing everything, you would be left with
scrap metal that you could use again. enough srap together and you can make a sheet once more. also it would be nice if you
only had to do the lesser tasks when at low lvl. once your smithing skill grew to the point where you would no longer profit in skill
from making the lesser materials, you could pay a NPC smith for them. say once you get to a lvl in a trade, you are given access
to a trade NPC that aids in the smaller duties. maby that NPC would just have those items for sale. cheaper than anywhere else.
since after all you would be a skilled smith and it is your profession, you would be granted wholesale.
another idea i liked was that of running a shop. it would be interesting if you could earn yourself a good amount of money. rent a
shop and hire a NPC to sell your wears. this would stop those anoying auctions. your shop would only sell what you have
created or have put up for sale. you would interact with your vender and when he/she has sold an item they will pay you minus
their wage. this would be something you would have to constantly interact with so to keep prices competative as well as keep
your inventory stocked. these rented shops would be able to be used by all the professions. they could sell your smithing,
fletching, tailoring, or what ever other trade item there is.
Guest
posted 02-09-2001 10:15 GMT
mabey you should get jobs in the game other than farming. Like a Miner, Smith, Cook, Merchant, Hunter, Crafter, Fisher,
etc...etc..etc...
lpancallo
PS Director
posted 02-09-2001 17:03 GMT
Do you think that this can be playable jobs? For sure the majority of players will prefer to do the \"adventurer\" instead of smith, cook, crafter, etc... Anyway we have a job system in the making. The jobs can be done on-line, but will be a great thing when player is off-line.
If the player return to his/her shop or activity, and then disconnects, the shop can function normally and provide a certain amount of money.
Catalyst88
Guest
posted 02-09-2001 17:23 GMT
I think you\'d be surprised by the amount of people who\'d like to roleplay blacksmiths, carpenters, etc. Although many will choose
to go adventuring, other jobs offer a more interesting and diverse world, and also maybe something else to do if you don\'t fancy
going off killing stuff - a break from adveturing if you will
corgan
Guest
posted 04-09-2001 09:26 GMT
Only some jobs could work. For example a player could adventure heaps and build a collection of a lot of weapons rather than
running around to sell them they could open up a shop. Or perhaps you could own a shop that is run by a bot and you have to
refresh its stocks by finding weapons.
Hory
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posted 07-10-2001 23:31 GMT
I too strongly suggest implementing those jobs... It can be a way of making money, of specialization and making the players
different between themselves.....
It also gives the game some purposes. You don\'t only go around searching for enemies, you can for example try to reach an
abandoned mine....... there could be ghosts in it of course, so when you get to the rocks that you have to mine, you\'re going to
be very glad and you\'ll have a great pleasure mining around until the next ghosts appears and you gotta run, but you\'ll know you
have what to bring to your blacksmith friend so he can smith you a special thing. Cooking could be great too ..... you could trade
with a fisherman so that he gives you 10 fish, you cook them,and you give 5 to him back....... And fishing doesn\'t have to be
easy..... the good fishing places could be surronded by all types of creatures.....
And the merchant, well that\'s not really a job cause everyone will probably trade, you\'ll be a good merchant if you\'ll have a lot of
thing to trade so that people will seek you when they need something..... Believe me, the \"jobs\" are really important
Thekkur
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posted 08-10-2001 09:19 GMT
hmm... real jobs would be cool, but there are limitations ofcourse. For example, if you are a carpenter, I think it would be
practicly impossible to let you design chair\'s in-game and sell them to NPC\'s that come in your shop. And if you\'re a fisherman,
you might go out and fish, but you would then only be able to sell it, not to clean the fish, salten it, and store it.
I would rather call \'jobs\' professions.
I suggest that your profession is merely a proficiency in-game. Like when yo? have grown up in a family of fisheman, you can
most likely fish, and was actually going to become a fisherman, until you wandered of to go adventuring. However, you can fish,
and this might be extremely helpfull when alone in a forest without any food. The same applies for hunters, and miners would be
able to find more gems when wandering through a dungeon.
I think professions like carpenter, or wooden shoe maker wouldn\'t be of any use though, and will also be almost impossible to
realise.
Thekkur
k3nshin
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posted 09-10-2001 06:53 GMT
why not have a age system?
Child
Teen
Adult
Have it like when your young u get born it to a certain type of family (blacksmiths..etc) and u have a mother and father who teach
u? that would be very cool
TheDaiv
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posted 22-10-2001 00:33 GMT
I like the prof idea... setting yourself up to an exclusive job sounds a bit boring however, my idea, have an option to use some
stats each lvl to build up your prof lvl... that way min-maxers can ignore the prof, but full rp\'ers can have a fuller char. I am SOOO
sick of the fact that the majority of on-line games are simply chat rooms that you kill things in... rhe prof could prevent PlaneShift
from going that way... also it would rock if you can open a store, get a bot to run it as in prev response, and your adventuring
would help stock the store.
Also the prof/store bit would add a ne spectrum to quests ie...
BobMarley, my lvl 12 Warrior/Carptener must journey to the lowest layer of the Labryinth to extract the left toenail of the Demon
lord Jojo, which Keebler, the blacksmith will turn into a super chisel, I can create the Ebony Duckhead bookstands that Wawa, A
lvl 21 wizard, needs to give Lord Jerky on his daughters aniversary...
Think of the possibilities!!!
Catalyst88
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posted 22-10-2001 21:19 GMT
You may find proffessions boring, but in my mind they\'re more interesting than going adventuring... and although i like to do that
too profs are one way to greatly increase the scope of the world\'s history and storyline in general...
coru_chan
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 08:14 GMT
Why have a game where you role play a job? I do that at least 40 hours a week already; the whole reason for playing PS is to
ignore real life for a while.
TheDaiv
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 10:49 GMT
Its not that I think the idea of jobs are boring... it\'s that exclusivly doing a job seems boring. I mean, true, a lvl 20 Blacksmith can
make really cool nails, but only bieng able to look forward to the next shipment of iron, then making somthin, then waiting again
does not seem as fun as a Lvl 20 Warrior who is a part time Blacksmith, and uses the loot he finds to make exciting new items.
This would add a really cool part to the quest element of the game... especially for several part quests... bring 1 dragon scale, 2
pts albino orc blood, 3 ingots of dwarf iron, and a pound of Red gold, mix them together and wala! One Waffle Iron of Doom
Also, I think you should gain xp for building things... like you just did this grand quest, got your items, depending on Blacksmith
skill, either make item or make mess, and if you suceed in making item, you get loads of xp.
Muchas Funnas!
Thekkur
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 11:29 GMT
I think I posted such an idea in an earlier thread about professions. If you will be able to sell the things you made, you can have a
real prof. You can for example use your guildhouse to sell the things(if you\'re truly not an adventurer. Guild houses should have a
sign outside, with the name of the guild on it. If you start a blacksmithing guild and hang out the sign, everybody in the city
knows that they can buy their weapons at your place.) If you ARE an adventurer, you could sell things at inn\'s, taverns, the
guardhouse (the npc guards need wepons too, don\'t they?) and at markets.
Thekkur
Paradagnae
Guest
posted 23-10-2001 23:15 GMT
i would love to be some sord of musician.. and then ppl pay you to play ;-)
or some kind of salesman... [one who travels around with his gear] maybe companioned by some nice girl ;-) [any volunteers]
and maybe with some ppl to protect him against thieves
Kendaro
Guest
posted 13-11-2001 08:00 GMT
thing about these professions is they cant be too teadious(sp). like for example in so many games smithing was a pain in the
kiester. you had to buy the ore and make the ore into brick, take the brick and make it into a sheet, take the sheet and fold it,
take the folded sheet and then forge it to a blade. you then had to start again with ore to make a block, then forge the block into
a hilt. then you would combine the blade and the hilt together for a sword. then you risked a chance of failing the final combine
and you lost all that work.
there just has to be a better system than that. like for example if you failed, instead of loosing everything, you would be left with
scrap metal that you could use again. enough srap together and you can make a sheet once more. also it would be nice if you
only had to do the lesser tasks when at low lvl. once your smithing skill grew to the point where you would no longer profit in skill
from making the lesser materials, you could pay a NPC smith for them. say once you get to a lvl in a trade, you are given access
to a trade NPC that aids in the smaller duties. maby that NPC would just have those items for sale. cheaper than anywhere else.
since after all you would be a skilled smith and it is your profession, you would be granted wholesale.
another idea i liked was that of running a shop. it would be interesting if you could earn yourself a good amount of money. rent a
shop and hire a NPC to sell your wears. this would stop those anoying auctions. your shop would only sell what you have
created or have put up for sale. you would interact with your vender and when he/she has sold an item they will pay you minus
their wage. this would be something you would have to constantly interact with so to keep prices competative as well as keep
your inventory stocked. these rented shops would be able to be used by all the professions. they could sell your smithing,
fletching, tailoring, or what ever other trade item there is.