PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins on October 14, 2007, 05:03:35 pm
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Dear all,
Firstly - love the lighting...
However, I have just loaded the new version, and have a number of issues with it -
Guild house = mine is missing?
Guild Doors = Keys don't work as they should, I can get into other's houses without key...
Winch = I can get in, but there is no way out...
Library area = Half the houses seem not to load properly
General Graphics = I get a lot of checker blocks now
Grass = seems to blocky, could be made to match the base ground colour more so they appear more natural.
SKINS = the button skin selector doesn't seem to work.. I am stuck with the woody effect.. I prefer the stone... and querky, why are the buttons back to front?
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and querks, why are the buttons back to front?
which buttons? the ones in the top left? talad changed how they are set up
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and querks, why are the buttons back to front?
which buttons? the ones in the top left? talad changed how they are set up
Yes - I thought as much - just wondered why?
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and querks, why are the buttons back to front?
which buttons? the ones in the top left? talad changed how they are set up
Yes - I thought as much - just wondered why?
no idea, all i know is talad did it
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Whats not working here is the rendering. The rendering performance on this machine has dropped from beeing playable at 1024x768 to beeing unplayable at most parts at 800x600. I rarely get fluent graphics its more a slide show. That is really stuopping the fun at all for me.
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Some items look grainy, compared to before. Ingots and stock are a really good example. Is mining disabled, or have the mines been moved?
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Ah great, i just figured out where a couple were.
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Winch door is fixed now. Investigating other issues.
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There are several issues, on linux at least :
1/ I've d/l the whole 0.3.020 installer, and installed on top of the previous version. Maybe it erased everything, anyway, the account informations (account name and password) were missing. The game was very slow, so I've erased the whole folder and made a completely new install (system wide install).
But many textures and plugins are still missing :
crystalspace.pluginmgr.loadplugin:
could not load plugin 'crystalspace.graphics3d.shader.glcg'
could not load plugin 'crystalspace.graphics3d.shader.glcg'
planeshift.application.client:
PSLoader: step 2: success
crystalspace.maploader.parse.image:
Could not open image file '/this/art/effects/target.dds' on VFS!
crystalspace.maploader.parse.texture:
Could not load texture 'target', using checkerboard instead
[node: library,textures,texture(name=target)]
planeshift.application.client:
PSLoader: step 3: success
32996 <src/common/util/psxmlparser.cpp:282 ParseFile>
32996 Could not find file: /planeshift/world/gh_law/sound.xml
PSLoader: step 4: success
Map hydlaa_common loaded successfully in 220ms
It was written during the startup : run the updater, maybe it was just some hints, but I've run the updater provided with the 0.3.020 version, and it downloaded many stuffs. I found it quite strange just after the new release, but after the update, it was downgraded to the 0.3.019 !
2/ About slowness : PlaneShift was running rather smoothly in the previous version. Now it's way to slow. The load on the system is too much : PS was said to use 120 % of the CPU, and the load was still increasing (above 3, which is very much) until I killed the application.
my system : 32 bits Debian, running 2.6.22 kernel with Nvidia drivers.
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I Kept crashing in the new kadas
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Graphics - I don't see any of the magic auras.. or arrows.. that my character does, I see everyone elses though.
- The carpets at Brintec's don't show shadow, only a black square... as with the water level...
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Miadon, was that during the little bit of snowing that was going on? Does it still happen? I tend to crash in Kada's if it's raining or snowing outside and I happen to look at the door.
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Miadon, was that during the little bit of snowing that was going on? Does it still happen? I tend to crash in Kada's if it's raining or snowing outside and I happen to look at the door.
Now that is what you call rough around the edges.
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my demorian female when wearing the heavy armor helmet shows missing cranium. when i take the helmet off, my full cranium appears again.
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when character unequip the helm the hair is missing (you can look into the back of the head (all races).
also th ears looking out of the helm.
tbc.
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+ Hydlaa lacks like hell
+ textures on some players and NPCs are missing
+ seems that the installation of 0.3.020 has influenced my system wide sound configuration: AMAROK can't play mp3-tracks anymore...
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Issues:
Much longer load times on some maps, notably Hydlaa.
Massive lag, again Hydlaa, in fact I now have to use adaptive camera, something that was never needed on .19.
Shortcut buttons will take a little getting used to, but not really an issue.
All in all these are minor irritations, overall it's been a good experience so far, the world looks smoother, and lighting is more expressive than previously, ojaveda looks great, i'm hoping to make the journey out to Bronze doors later, just to complete my initial exploration of the new improvements.
I'm still awaiting my first death, and further testing of other changes and additions, but I feel positive about the upgrade so far. :)
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Trasok's forge and furnace are not working.
Can't change stance with commands. ie aggressive, bloody...
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We knew that some people would experience more lag than usual, it's something that can't just be fixed. We need more information to do so, so please try to see if anything can be done to improve performance on your pc. In the mean time I strongly recommend everyone to use Options --> Graphics --> Details --> Distance to lower the distance to improve performance.
You will also notice that the hair gets removed when you equip a helmet, this is intentional. After dequipping the hair should come back.
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aggressive attack doesn't work via command line.
i type "/attack 1" and i change to normal stance. i have to use the attack icons to change it.
EDIT: you must now type "/attack bloody" for it to work. thanks to mordaan from irc.
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Direct downloads don't work.
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Having to stand right next to an npc or pc to be able to attack. Meaning no more skillfull timed attacks of the more powerfull npc's (ulbers)
And don't mention dueling, as that's pretty much wrecked as an enjoyable experience due to the above :/
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* forge don't works
* icons in inv are ugly
* hydlaa is unplayable
* but what is the worst for me, dueling is killed
My post from bug tracker:
There is new feature added that prevent monsters to be attacked from distance, and with this take them away from someone, great feature and I totally agree with it and support it. But here come dueling, and unfortunately this affect also the attacking of players, you have to be less than a meter away to be able to start the attack... this ruin dueling, I think dueling should not be start the attack and watch wath happen... if so there is not point in dueling... and I don't think is OOC, some player action, because if so, than make also metalurgy, mining and crafting such, that you just come on the mine, and watch your character mining for an hour until have a full load of gold... but I think we are all enough smart to understand, that a game is not watching a character doing something, but managing your character doing something... and honestly I don't see why dueling should be an exsception to this. On the other hand I see many problems in such dueling system... I would say that as long as weapons have speed, this can't work well, my favorite weapon is claymore, and it have speed 5, so it means that I get 3,3 hits of a dagger before I make 1 hit with my claymore. Well ok, if this will not be enough, I will give more reasons why not this system, but I think saying that watching a movie of medieval wars is more interesting than watching 2 3d characters combat without having any influence of them should be enough. Oh yes, and don't say that you can go again back when you start the attack, because this only give more advantage to daggers.
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Heya,
I don't like the new dueling system. It is like a realistic fight but it's no fun.
It's to complicated, now i can't estimate the time to attack.
The Previous function was much more comfortable.
and what i dislike most is, i have no Hair if i wear my helmet :(. I don't like to be bald ::)
:( :( :( :(
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my demorian female when wearing the heavy armor helmet shows missing cranium. when i take the helmet off, my full cranium appears again.
this is a feature that all hair gets removed from the [top of the head??] when wearing a helm. this is not a bug
Direct downloads don't work.
the release just happened the mirrors are never updated the same day. give it a few days
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+ when a new map is loaded the physical stamina of my char is reduced to zero
EDIT:
+ reducing Options -> Details -> Distance doesn't have any effect on the heavy lagg in Hydlaa
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please add bugs to the bug tracker http://bugs.hydlaa.com
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Hello,
I would like to add my disagreement with the new duel system as Akashani and Stylee said with more technical arguments.
Thanks for your attention,
Best regards! :)
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Is the mining thing, a bug, down for a bit...a feature, they have all changed...or both.
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Is the mining thing, a bug, down for a bit...a feature, they have all changed...or both.
what.......?
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Haven't been able to mine a thing, since the update. Just says that you don't see a good place to dig. Happens with all mines, I did some digging all over the place, nothing.
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the release just happened the mirrors are never updated the same day. give it a few days
Rats. Then I'm not playing for those "few days" because BitTorrent won't work for me... ARGH! Even being on Windows doesn't save me from not being able to play when everyone else can!
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with regards to laag, I am running duel AMD 64 3800, have 3gb ram, 2x 7600GT Nvidia cards... and it is still laaaaagy and slow loading on maps. and the detail is nothing compared to say - Guildwars which it runs on full detail spec with ease???
And detail lowering on camera makes no difference at all.
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Just tried to walk around Harnquists, it was like walking in quicksand. Almost unbearable.....
I'm running a p4 3.2ghz, 2gb ram and an Nvidia 6800GT gfx card. Even with everything turned to minumum, it's still unplayable.
I assume the new grass is the problem, is it possible to turn it off somehow? Otherwise i can see me avoiding Hydlaa at all costs.
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hm cant see that lag-problem as described. even harns is still smooth, even with two clients running that spot.
what sort of unpleased me is, that some of my alts, that i used to play for quite some time (trained a bit, quested a bit as well), had to start off in the tutorial area.
my specs are:
asus a8js, intel duo core 2x2ghz, 2gb ram, nv 7700 go (512mb), os Debain/Unstable (Sidux)
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Hello,
I would like to add my disagreement with the new duel system as Akashani and Stylee said with more technical arguments.
Thanks for your attention,
Best regards! :)
There is no new dueling system. As Stylee already said, there was a change to prevent you from claiming an NPC from far away. As a side effect (or the choice of allowed distance), I can see that dueling is less fun. You will just have to wait for some devs to:
1. notice that this is a bad side effect (as is the fact that you probably can no longer attack the mercenary behind the fence in the arena)
2. find a way to fix this
3. find the time to fix it
With all the other problems that you all noticed, the last one may be the most difficult :)
Oh and about the lag: I have an intel graphics chip, and it is not unbearable at all. Actually, in most cases things run better for me (I did timing comparisons between old and new maps). THe lag seems caused by looking in directions with many polygons, such as the city. Grass does not help, but is by no means a cause of the 'unbearable' speed. As ThomPhoenix already said, these things are known, but may also be related to Crystal Space. It will just take some time to find the cause and a solution.
edit:typo
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with regards to laag, I am running duel AMD 64 3800, have 3gb ram, 2x 7600GT Nvidia cards... and it is still laaaaagy and slow loading on maps. and the detail is nothing compared to say - Guildwars which it runs on full detail spec with ease???
And detail lowering on camera makes no difference at all.
Heya
i have a AMD 64x2 duel core, 5200+, 2 gb Ram, Nvidea Geforce 8600 GT with 256MB ram, OS Ubuntu 7.04
What Internet Connection do you have? My Internet Connection is dsl 16000kBit/s
And i have no problems with loading the Maps or lags, except for they are lots of ppl's around me. Maybe it's the Internet connection?
Regards Akashani
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what sort of unpleased me is, that some of my alts, that i used to play for quite some time (trained a bit, quested a bit as well), had to start off in the tutorial area.
Don't whine, I did all tutorial quests twice today, and then respawned .... in the tutorial map!! I seriously wondered if this was Nilayas Curse of Death :)
Serious again, there are some bugs there. A report should have been added by now (I hope), because not only does every new character go through, but if they die, they go to DR. And that after the magic trainer suggesting to jump of cliffs, just to see what happens :)
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i also am having problems with the new update the problems i am having are..
1. Mouse Movement.. this is strange i was able to right click on the ground and my character would move there(before the update.. now i cant i click and nothing happens..)
2. Cursor Movement lags... the mouse movement is allot slower than before and it is choppy .. it seems the cursor cant keep up with the mouse.
3. All the Tall Grass.. all of the tall grass everywhere in hydlaa.. i think it looks great but.. I think it might be the cause of allot of the laggy behavior..(is there a way some one could tell me how to load the old map or at least delete the trees.. or is it hopeless)
i was able to raise my speed and reduce some lag. i removed the 4 chat bubble files and the 1 shadow file from the.. planeshift\data\effects\misc\ .. and i moved those 5 files to a temp folder and this helped by removing the chat bubbles and the shadows from the game
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I just need to know what i do, after i install .020.
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I just need to know what i do, after i install .020.
run psclient in your planeshift folder :)
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I get a access violation error.
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there is option in setup to preload all models. If it is off, PS crash. If i leave it on, i almost run out of memory after the map is loaded.
I didn't load Hydlaa plaza yet, but it is highly possible i run out of memory in the process.
Because of that the game lags like hell in places where i considered it playable, smooth.
The mouse cursor lags. it was completly ok before, even if below 1FPS.
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I'm, off and on, getting terrible lag spikes. It'll happen about once every 5 minutes, all at once I just spike to the point where the game's unplayable for about a minute. If I'm running when that spike happens, my stamina completely drains and I barely move an inch.
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Ehh.. No clue how to even get the game to work. Ill just wait a week or so til updater is working i guess.
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+ seems that the installation of 0.3.020 has influenced my system wide sound configuration: AMAROK can't play mp3-tracks anymore...
Solved. I had to reboot my computer :whistling: >o)
+ Hydlaa lacks like hell
Executed fixlibs.sh and got this archive installed: http://download.xordan.com/32bitlibs.tar.bz2
Now Hydlaa seems a lil bit less laggy but that could be just a coincidence...
+ when a new map is loaded the physical stamina of my char is reduced to zero
Some map crossings take so much time loading that one reaches breathless the other side... ???
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4 pages!!! I have not read the last few yet, but I think this is getting a bit unbalanced. So I started a new thread, 'VERSION 0.3.020 - WHAT IS WORKING FOR ME' (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30347.new#new). I think everyone posting in this 'NOT WORKING' thread, should also add something positive here (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30347.new#new).
And this is all getting repititive. Please search the bugtracker (http://bugs.hydlaa.com) to see if it has been mentioned already. If so, no need posting here ten times, if not, please add it there.
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http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=413
Comment by Lanarel (Lanarel) - Sunday, 14 October 2007, 18:36 GMT+1
This may be better discussed in the forum first (to prevent pages of everyones wishes in here). THis is probably not by design to ruin duelling, but an effect of solving the problem with claiming an npc at 100 yards.
Leaving it unconfirmed for now, but maybe arianna will assign it anyway. I could make it a feature request and set it new, but I wont for now.
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I said discussed, not one side repeated :) I think a separate thread with a discussion from both sides (and the other side is not me :) ) would be better. Again, I am sure this will be fixed some time, but someone has to think of a way. Let's just see what devs think of it.
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Well it seems as tho I am as well experiencing EXTREEME lag in Hydlaa, and I thought it was bad before....As well my coursour lags.
The bacwards Icons are a bit anoying but I will get used to them I suppose...
I am running Windows 2000 ( Iknow horrable windows user) "Intel(R) Pentium (R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz AT/AT COMPATIABLE 392,208 KB RAM" --whatever all that means....
and my video card is NVIDIA GeFOrce FX 56000
is that what might be causing my horrable lag? or is that good stuff...hehe yeah I have no idea...
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The main thing that isn't working for me is the BitTorrent download! I'm all for saving bandwidth and sharing files, but people have got to be online and actually sharing files for this to work. :( Maybe it's just me, but I've been trying to download the install file for almost 6 hours now (yes I have high speed at 5Mbps). I'm only getting about 3-5 Kbps from other people, yet I see that there are nearing 200 people playing right now. Could a few people start sharing their files so that I can at least finish the download?
Thanks! \\o//
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The main thing that isn't working for me is the BitTorrent download! I'm all for saving bandwidth and sharing files, but people have got to be online and actually sharing files for this to work. :( Maybe it's just me, but I've been trying to download the install file for almost 6 hours now (yes I have high speed at 5Mbps). I'm only getting about 3-5 Kbps from other people, yet I see that there are nearing 200 people playing right now. Could a few people start sharing their files so that I can at least finish the download?
According to http://laanx.fragnetics.com:6881/ there are 134 people downloading the client at the moment. With so many people downloading, even with few people seeding, your download speed should be much faster. Are you sure you do not have other problems (all the right ports open for bittorrent for example)?
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I've downloaded the linux version in about 2 or 3 hours (but there were fewer people).
Now I've just started to d/l the windows version with bittorrent, and it said it's downloading at 300 KB/s, the download will be over in 12 minutes... So the problem is probably from your connection or your settings.
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i too have the plaza lag brr and my computer isn't that outdated well not new eather
heres my specs,
os windows xp sp2
cpu intel p4 ht 3.2Ghz
ram 1.5gb pc3200
gfx geforce 7800gs agp 256mb
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Back to the matter at hand, I do not like mouse movement and cannot see where to turn it off in the game. The Option screen as well as some others seems to be porous to mouse clicks resulting in clicks on that screen moving the character, certainly undesirable. It seems to be in non-functional places such as between the arrow and the scroll marker in the scroll bar when the marker is at the bottom as well as the blank spaces between the option headers, actually pretty much anywhere in that pane which is not specifically part of the option name or its highlight. Oddly enough it does not happen in the pane where you change the settings. The same thing happens in the help window header pane as well and appears to happen in confirmation box windows too.
The grass has always been laggy but is not a really big problem for me.
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Bilbous,
Movement on left click can be turned off by un-assigning the "LeftClick" in Options->Keys->MouseRun
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Thanks for the tip.
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hi just my "personal wiev" of the 020 !
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Re: 020 nearly unplayable
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 03:14:48 PM »
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i can said manny of the thing the other player have said (me i cant stop the "moussrun" option and i cant select anything whitout run !)
But i think the "more bad part" wath the "tutorial map" yes i make a "new avatar" and i comme to see !
sur the Npc can teatch the "newcommer" but .... stay alone in this aera and never see anybody ! (exept other newcomer !)
Brrrrr..... before "be a game" ps what "peoples" you can ask "help" or no people can help you or not but you can !
in the "tutorial aera" you are alone ! (like in the winch sometime !)!
And be a "newbee" in this desert wath not the more funny experience for a "bigining" !
And i forgot the "anglish"
What about all this player from all around the world who ask me "you speak polish /spanish/deutch/ or another tongue ! i said "no" but the "tutorial aera npc" speak "only " anglish and a lot !
Whit nobody for giving help or translation !
Edit: Please Modify your post instead of double posting [/i[
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Back to the matter at hand, I do not like mouse movement and cannot see where to turn it off in the game. The Option screen as well as some others seems to be porous to mouse clicks resulting in clicks on that screen moving the character, certainly undesirable. It seems to be in non-functional places such as between the arrow and the scroll marker in the scroll bar when the marker is at the bottom as well as the blank spaces between the option headers, actually pretty much anywhere in that pane which is not specifically part of the option name or its highlight. Oddly enough it does not happen in the pane where you change the settings. The same thing happens in the help window header pane as well and appears to happen in confirmation box windows too.
And please add the GUI examples to the bug report about this (http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=403&pagenum=2)
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3. All the Tall Grass.. all of the tall grass everywhere in hydlaa.. i think it looks great but.. I think it might be the cause of allot of the laggy behavior..(is there a way some one could tell me how to load the old map or at least delete the trees.. or is it hopeless)
I agree about the grass. XP1900, 1.5gig of ram, nvidia 7600gs and running gentoo. While waiting for laanx to be opened up the public I started a local server. Around Harnquist's was very bad. I edited the world file in hydlaa_plaza.zip to remove the grass. The only change was removing all the grass in the plaza and it went from unplayable to smooth.
Have also heard of people using the .019 art/world/*.zip to get some performance back.
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there is option in setup to preload all models. If it is off, PS crash.
This was fixed in cvs, but after the release binaries were made unfortunately.
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there is option in setup to preload all models. If it is off, PS crash.
This was fixed in cvs, but after the release binaries were made unfortunately.
The bug is only in the windows client however. Linux (and mac when it's done) have the fix. Hopefully we'll upload a fixed windows client when the updater is updated :)
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Having to do the tutorial with every new character (or old inexperienced character) is a little annoying. There should be a method of opting out although, perhaps, the first npc gives you the option. I explored the area and talked to the last person who "seems to have something important to say to you" which turned out to be 'you have to give me the items from the other npcs.' It is a very nice little map and I gave it short shrift. I think that might be a fairly common thing to happen.
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currently the only way to skip the tutorial is to use /die :P
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I did that and my client died trying to get out of the DR, probably need to reduce visiblity on that machine to, say, 2 inches?? hehheh
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The inverted top-left corner menu thingy is really annoying! And the cursor speed, too. Well, not much about the speed, I mean how it's all... drunk. It moves like a drunk person. Good analogy, huh.
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Cursor speed is fine on my install, linux. Is this a windows problem? Somebody report it on the bugtracker if so, I can't find it on there ;)
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Speed seemed pretty comparable to the 0.3.019 client on my system (Debian Etch, Athlon64 3800+, 1GB RAM, GeForce 7600 GS).
I liked the new fog, but it seemed exceptionally bright for 11:00 PM.
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Who cares about speed, if there is nothing to do, in game??? NPCs seem to be down, but that is not the point. Something is either wrong or changed with mining. I still have not gotten a straight answer...is it a bug, where the mines are all off? or have the mines all changed location?
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* forge don't works
* icons in inv are ugly
* hydlaa is unplayable
* but what is the worst for me, dueling is killed
My post from bug tracker:
There is new feature added that prevent monsters to be attacked from distance, and with this take them away from someone, great feature and I totally agree with it and support it. But here come dueling, and unfortunately this affect also the attacking of players, you have to be less than a meter away to be able to start the attack... this ruin dueling, I think dueling should not be start the attack and watch wath happen... if so there is not point in dueling... and I don't think is OOC, some player action, because if so, than make also metalurgy, mining and crafting such, that you just come on the mine, and watch your character mining for an hour until have a full load of gold... but I think we are all enough smart to understand, that a game is not watching a character doing something, but managing your character doing something... and honestly I don't see why dueling should be an exsception to this. On the other hand I see many problems in such dueling system... I would say that as long as weapons have speed, this can't work well, my favorite weapon is claymore, and it have speed 5, so it means that I get 3,3 hits of a dagger before I make 1 hit with my claymore. Well ok, if this will not be enough, I will give more reasons why not this system, but I think saying that watching a movie of medieval wars is more interesting than watching 2 3d characters combat without having any influence of them should be enough. Oh yes, and don't say that you can go again back when you start the attack, because this only give more advantage to daggers.
Heya,
I don't like the new dueling system. It is like a realistic fight but it's no fun.
It's to complicated, now i can't estimate the time to attack.
The Previous function was much more comfortable.
Hello,
I would like to add my disagreement with the new duel system as Akashani and Stylee said with more technical arguments.
Thanks for your attention,
Best regards! :)
Completely agree with you, my friends. Dueling is dead, if the current situtation remains untouched. While I can see why the range check was implemented, I must also say that the solution to it is inacceptable for the PvP aspect. A far better solution to prevent mobs from being lured away is to have a distance check wrapped around the NPC behavior. If someone tries to attack an NPC from 100 meters away, the NPC should simply not react.
However, I hope that dueling wasn't killed on purpose, and that something will be done to revive it, or else it can be buried and forgotten.
Just my $0.02.
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At the moment, the only problem I have is not being able to log on. So...I'll probably tell you more problems soon. ;)
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Is it only me that can't train HA? :P
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Who cares about speed, if there is nothing to do, in game??? NPCs seem to be down, but that is not the point. Something is either wrong or changed with mining. I still have not gotten a straight answer...is it a bug, where the mines are all off? or have the mines all changed location?
Did you check the bug tracker? I guess not.
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Who cares about speed, if there is nothing to do, in game??? NPCs seem to be down, but that is not the point. Something is either wrong or changed with mining. I still have not gotten a straight answer...is it a bug, where the mines are all off? or have the mines all changed location?
Did you check the bug tracker? I guess not.
Can you point us to the bug report then? I can't see anything about this mining problem.
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Who cares about speed, if there is nothing to do, in game??? NPCs seem to be down, but that is not the point. Something is either wrong or changed with mining. I still have not gotten a straight answer...is it a bug, where the mines are all off? or have the mines all changed location?
Did you check the bug tracker? I guess not.
Can you point us to the bug report then? I can't see anything about this mining problem.
Mm, I am sure it is mentioned somewhere in there, but searching doesn't show it to me either. Sorry, all those new reports and forum messages get confusing sometimes :) Please do add a bug about the missing mines there (as I AM sure I told others to do about this).
Edit: for clarity
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XP2500+, NVidia geforce4, 1 gb ram, windows XP
I installed the game over the existing .019 to begin with. It didnt implement a mouse-click movement for me and i was happily running around harnquist as allways. I uninstalled/installed the game to see the point-and-click that had been implemented. This resulted in heavy lag in the maps of hydlaa and jayose. Could be a relation, could be coincidence or a effect of less obvious features that were changed by doing a fresh install. Only other maps I've been to soo far are both the ojaroads and Ojaveda and those maps work fine for me.
Like Bilbous i have a problem at clicking in menu's activating point+click movement, it seems only to happen for guild window and option window though. Clicking spell window, inventory, stats+skills or quest windows doesnt activate it. The graphics on certain glyphs and inventory items (like broad swords) look pretty pixellated now. I think some of the artwork that was in .018 and some of .019 was rolled back, it has been nicer.
Off-topic: love the new lighting system
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Hello!
I just registered yesterday, so i'm new here. I tried searching for this (bug?) but couldn't find anything. I'm playing the tutorial, when i get to ibhaar and he sends me to kill a rat, i can't find that rat anywhere. where is it? is it a bug or am i missing something?
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Hello!
I just registered yesterday, so i'm new here. I tried searching for this (bug?) but couldn't find anything. I'm playing the tutorial, when i get to ibhaar and he sends me to kill a rat, i can't find that rat anywhere. where is it? is it a bug or am i missing something?
Just a bit buggy:
http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30364.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30364.0)
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thanks for your answer! (I searched for this thing yesterday hehe that's why i didn't see that post)
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I just registered yesterday, so i'm new here. I tried searching for this (bug?) but couldn't find anything. I'm playing the tutorial, when i get to ibhaar and he sends me to kill a rat, i can't find that rat anywhere. where is it? is it a bug or am i missing something?
Just type "rat" in the search field, press enter, and the middle of 3 bugs says:
rat in Tutorial does not spawn (http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=434&histring=rat) :)
Ah, someone beat me to it :)
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i did that, but not in advance search, so every word with "rat" in it comes as a result :P this kind of things should be "sticky threads" or something like that. I'll post in the correct thread from now (basically asking for a date for a fix)
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Someone mentioned "sound" in the opposite "WHAT'S WORKING" thread ... In general, I switched off sound. Because I got a heap of errors (duplicate effects) after installing 0.3.020 over 0.3.019, I used a clean installation, where sound was enabled per default.
:o :surrender:
The intro song was completely messed up. As if two sound sources were playing in concurrence. Or as if Byte Significance was swapped (MSB <=> LSB).
Playing on Win32-XP with AM2, AC-97 6ch. I will try it again next weekend and make a bug report if it still occurs.
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Notice!
Better performance for some clients seems to be achieved by setting "anisotropy filtering" to max (=16)!
Its confirmed only on some PCs, but worth a try.
Additionally, here is a Hydlaa grass-free map (http://planeshift.alphasys.nl) created by Hassadria. (works, but use on own risk)
Hassadria and Miaua
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In case anyone cares ;D I finally got my BitTorrent working. For some reason the default setting for "Global Connections Limit" is set to 1. Once I set that to "Auto"...POOOOF! Tons of connections and a much happier download speed.
\\o// \\o// \\o//
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Also may I add after some intial concerns everything seems to be working fine for me \\o//
Keep up the good work Devs
Edit: Yep im a idoit :P
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Better performance for some clients seems to be achieved by setting "anisotropy filtering" to max (=16)!
Its confirmed only on some PCs, but worth a try.
Additionally, here is a Hydlaa grass-free map (http://planeshift.alphasys.nl) created by Hassadria. (works, but use on own risk)
Together with reducing the distance-level to 100 this all helped a bit. Hydlaa-Plaza is not as laggy now as it was before. It's still laggy but not so horrible ::)
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Notice!
Better performance for some clients seems to be achieved by setting "anisotropy filtering" to max (=16)!
Its confirmed only on some PCs, but worth a try.
Additionally, here is a Hydlaa grass-free map (http://planeshift.alphasys.nl) created by Hassadria. (works, but use on own risk)
Hassadria and Miaua
I've got to thank you for creating this map, it helps a lot :)
Now if only someone could create a library map without the grass too, i'd be a happy Kran :D
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For some reason - my Guildhouse is having issues with locks... I lock it, when I log out or crash - I return to find it unlocked... and have to lock it again -
NOTE - any one gaining access during this bug issue will be considered as ooc and not in there and asked to leave oocly.
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Weapon skins aren't working correctly. It looks funny:
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/Shadeclaw/shot40weaponskin.jpg)
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I noticed too that actually increasing the values for anisotropy and anti-aliasing improved performance. With the default settings my client was pretty laggy, after I turned on VBO, set AA and AF to 2x, set my resolution to 1280x1024 and lowered the distance in-game, all the laggyness was gone and I got 30 fps even when on Plaza looking at distant building or grassy areas.
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I noticed too that actually increasing the values for anisotropy and anti-aliasing improved performance. With the default settings my client was pretty laggy, after I turned on VBO, set AA and AF to 2x, set my resolution to 1280x1024 and lowered the distance in-game, all the laggyness was gone and I got 30 fps even when on Plaza looking at distant building or grassy areas.
thanks for the info will try that.
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Completely agree with you, my friends. Dueling is dead, if the current situtation remains untouched. While I can see why the range check was implemented, I must also say that the solution to it is inacceptable for the PvP aspect. A far better solution to prevent mobs from being lured away is to have a distance check wrapped around the NPC behavior. If someone tries to attack an NPC from 100 meters away, the NPC should simply not react.
However, I hope that dueling wasn't killed on purpose, and that something will be done to revive it, or else it can be buried and forgotten.
Just my $0.02.
http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=413
bug report by stylee on it, maybe vote to show that many people do care? that might get it fixed faster
for those who dont know, you can vote for a bug by the summary, under priority, severity, so on.
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Notice!
Better performance for some clients seems to be achieved by setting "anisotropy filtering" to max (=16)!
Its confirmed only on some PCs, but worth a try.
Additionally, here is a Hydlaa grass-free map created by Hassadria. (works, but use on own risk)
Hassadria and Miaua
/me runs up and hugs the two fenkis "thank you! thank you! thank you! I am off to go try this now..I sure hope it works! The grass is such a cute idea, but not if it takes me 30 minuests to cross the pla
zza... thanks!
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Some screenies of things where the graphics seem odd to me.. and the last where I could see Miaua and Hassadria running on the spot in the Library section, when they were somewhere else...
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The last one is a proof of the existance of "ghost avatars" - your client did not receive the message that they left the current sector, so it still believes they are there.
Second-last: "Hall of Mirrors" effect - the 3D engine doesn't know what to draw in transparent areas, therefore doesn't clear what had been drawn in the last frame. Generic 3D engine problem, more or less obvious in different versions and with different hardware (never saw the complete shy as HOM before 0.3.019, and with a GeForce2 GTS).
Third-last and before: Map heightfield peeks through polygonal map part as long as the camera is in the sector with the heightfield. Solution: Lower the heightfield at this point. Problem: Which coordinate in the heightfield picture is it?... -- Known since ~0.3.015, or so, when "ojaroad" changed to "bdroad01".
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I'm a windows user...
currently the lag in Hydlaa is bearable but only because i changed the minimum adaptive camera settings to 25.
The worst areas of lag for me is the plaza and the plaza exit leading up to the North Gate.
I've also got a problem with blackouts on the Ojaveda Roads and the BD roads...however, once in Oja / BD / Hydlaa my graphics come back and I can see things and not just blocks of black.
*lights a candle to find her way back to Oja*
Thanks
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Was just wondering if during these "blackouts" your having if you were traveling during the night time hours?
I ask mainly because i run windows and to be honest my computer isn't what you could call a top spec machine.
I just want to remind you that with the new lighting effects in the open ( not in a city) it can get real dark, real quick and any area that would normally be a green hill side of cliff face is going to come out as pitch black.
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Thanks for the suggestion...
but this is most definately during day light hours...so far as I can see its nothing to do with the system i'm running it on, i've even had a bit of outside tech advice on it.
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In short: Duelling sucks now! Please remove the distance checking for duels!
In detail: I think the fun is spoiled since only stats and levels decide now who wins. Not timing and tactics (nearly). I could also go and play Regnum now (flame me! I am wearing an asbestos suit!). I also think it is unrealistic. Why should anyone start an attack directly in front of an opponent when it takes him 3 or more seconds to bring his sword down on them? Another annoying thing is that you can be killed by the opponent when you /yield (although I never do that ;) ). I always hear arguments like 'now it is like in all other games'. I ask back 'why do you think is that a good idea?'. People had lots of fun with the duelling systema as it was. If they now want to compare their stats and levels they can agree before duel not to move.
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I can't say I didn't see this coming. There are countless discussions on player skill vs. character skill. The PS development team decided on character skill as it is a role playing game. Get used to it.
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I am not the dueler-guy, nor do so often at all. But each time I did, it always was a very funny and exciting option while maybe not many people were on, I just was bored or I just wanted to have some distraction. This is completely gone now.
For some maybe more discussable argument now.
For the sake of realism, ranged fighters like bowman (not implemented yet, so take mages and their arrows/flame burst/whatever). Imagine you focused your char to be a ranged fighter, light armor, no melee skill. You want to fight, have to approach on arm's reach, challenge and get killed at once. Again, for the sake of realism it completely makes no sense to me. You may argument pvp'ing could require some players agreement, ok. But that wont work with npc-beasts.
The latest with implementation of bows you would have to change that "feature".
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I can't say I didn't see this coming. There are countless discussions on player skill vs. character skill. The PS development team decided on character skill as it is a role playing game. Get used to it.
WHY did they decide that? Please tell me! If it was a decision based on dissatisfaction of the huge ammount of players, I might have missed something.
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Search the pvp fourms maybe? I'm not going to spoon feed you. As for ranged weapons and that, its a bridge we'll cross when we come to it. That could be years off yet or next update. Who knows. Anyway, the devs have yet to terribly fail. They'll prevail as always.
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What use do ranged spells have now?
Recently magic started to get useful - gone as well now?
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[WHY did they decide that? Please tell me! If it was a decision based on dissatisfaction of the huge ammount of players, I might have missed something.
'They' decided you should not be able to steal an NPC by attacking it from 100 yards. As far as I know no-one decided that dueling should be as it is now. This has nothing to do with the discussion about player vs character skill, so please just wait and do not repeat eachother. Maybe someone could go through the 7 pages for me and point out any post in this thread saying anything else about duelling than that at the moment this is not as it should be. Maybe by then you will also notice that in this whole thread there are only 3 problems mentioned:
- guildhouse locking is not working
- duelling is no fun
- there is lag!
All of these are added to the bug tracker and are being looked into.
Now please go to the WHAT IS WORKING FOR ME (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=30347.msg347743#msg347743) thread, as that one definitely has more different points, but could use more :)
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the dueling is not intentional. there is a bug report on it. if you want it changed faster, maybe vote using the link by the summary under prority and severity at http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=413
Maybe post a comment thing or two as well
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the dueling is not intentional. there is a bug report on it. if you want it changed faster, maybe vote using the link by the summary under prority and severity at http://www.hydlaa.com/flyspray_upgrade/index.php?do=details&task_id=413
Maybe post a comment thing or two as well
Please only add a comment when you have information that may help. The cause is known, no need to say "me too" there :) If you have good suggestions that are not yet mentioned, feel free to add them.
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as for a warrior kicking a mage's buttocks. that's hogglewash and hootenaneey combined. for so long mages have had no role in dueling. By the time they cast their spell, they died 4x's in 4 seconds by ulber trained sword. It always went something like this:
[mage casts spell 'Hope this comes out in uh-oh I see death approaching']
[mage gets practice points in Hopelessness Way]
[warrior hits mage for 4 gillion]
[mage died three times]
They had no chance. So if anything let this be some sort of balance even if it lasts only but a few moments of a version.
Realistically though, Harry Potter would kick King Arthur's a$$ and we all know it. Let's be clear about that.
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- I get "WARNING! Object ... is not closed!", "Could not open image; ...", "Could not load image; ...", "Could not load texture: ...", "Invalid dimensions on border drawable: ...", "Stat request failed because CelClient not ready for ...", "... is deprecated. Use ... instead", "Got DR message for unknown entity", "Mesh Factory ... not found", "Failed to set material ... on part ...", in the console, and some of these more than once . Are the details of interest for anybody?
- I thought I can forget EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION, pure virtual function call with v19, now they celebrate their resurrection.
- Cannot find DBGHELP.DLL is new.
- Who planted all the grass? It looks simply ugly. I met the citizens of Hydlaa as neat people, who surely don't let their gardens become jungles. I'm sure they prefer lawn rather than meadows. [If I see a green ground in an RP game, my fantasy is good enough to imagine this as grass. I do not need to see hundreds of single stems for this.]
- Shadows are nice, but I could live - and roleplay - very well without them. I always enjoyed the architecture in Hydlaa. Now it looks like wearing sunglasses all the time. ["-fullbright" seems not to work anymore, does it?]
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Svun, if you search realism, why you play a fantasy game?
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as for a warrior kicking a mage's buttocks. that's hogglewash and hootenaneey combined. for so long mages have had no role in dueling. By the time they cast their spell, they died 4x's in 4 seconds by ulber trained sword. It always went something like this:
[mage casts spell 'Hope this comes out in uh-oh I see death approaching']
[mage gets practice points in Hopelessness Way]
[warrior hits mage for 4 gillion]
[mage died three times]
They had no chance. So if anything let this be some sort of balance even if it lasts only but a few moments of a version.
Realistically though, Harry Potter would kick King Arthur's a$$ and we all know it. Let's be clear about that.
I'd have to agree here. I've heard lots of complaining about the new dueling system (but haven't been ingame to actually see it). Fact is did warriors run around with blades trying to perfectly time their hits? No. Thats all player skill. Firstly if you were wielding a claymore or longsword then you'd have no chance of swinging quick enough. With short swords or daggers and both people running that should only increase your chances of missing.
Then you look at people who rp mages. You can't run while casting! You can run while swinging a big sword around and kill someone but theres no chance that you can run and cast a spell. The dueling system favored blade. Now its even. Mages will try and keep their opponent at far ranges to cast spells. Warriors will try to dodge and get close enough for the kill. It makes much more sense that way.
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It's not intended to be that way. And contrary to what Parallo said, the devs have not decided on character skill in the eternal fight between player skill vs character skill, and if they really wanted hit&run duels to vanish, there would be a really simple solution to achieve that goal. The current situation, as some have already mentioned, is a side effect, that was not planned, and it will be fixed some time soon(tm)
There will be other solutions on how to even out a fight between a warrior and a mage, but I'd rather think it will happen by more powerful spells. The base is already there (many attack spells, regeneration spell, shield spell, absorption spell, etc), all it needs is a bit of balancing, which will be done in the future. And yup, casting a spell while running should be possible, as it would only be fair.
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Given the changes made since the days of fights looking like people running in circles oblivious to each other, I think its clear that they have decided on character skill. After all, it is a role playing game.
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mages ignore armor, and never miss. That gives them an advantage over fighters, if a small one. and they can move, by walking. Right now, the drawback is that spells just arent strong enough. the side-effect didnt just balance it out-it gives mages a huge advantage over fighters. Even though that may be the fact if magic were true in real life, this is a game, and the combat system should be balanced.
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and never miss.
Are you sure? I've missed plenty of times with my spells. Plus there are many times when a spell will fail.
That gives them an advantage over fighters, if a small one.
I actually don't see many advantages for mages. Magic drains your mana and if doesn't replenish extremely quick so you really only have a certain amount of spells you can cast before your drained so you have to avoid the opponent till it does replenish. Physical stamina doesn't replenish quickly as well but I do think (not sure so don't hit me if I'm wrong :P ) it lasts longer depending on how much you have.
But back to the topic.
I the idea of a tutorial but I think there should be an option of whether you want to do it or not. That way those who frequently make new characters don't have to go through it every time. So far I heard that a way to get out of it was dieing but the fact that there soon will be a punishment makes this a less attractive option.
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First of all Congrats to all those involved in bringing the update!!!
The only thing that's been a real problem for me seems to be the grass, the lags and crashes seem to disappear when I try the grassless mods posted earlier. Also I think the grass in the towns looks a little untidy anyway (but ok for pastures if there was any farming), especially where it grows out of the pavements.
Regarding the PvP change, I've not really been involved in any before but appreciate there may have been some skill involved before which some players are missing. However the old system was far from perfect favouring those with high Q weapons etc. and as mentioned earlier definitely not favouring mages. I watched a tournament some months ago and, to be honest, the old system from an observer's point of view was not just unrealistic but a joke (how on earth someone could possibly strike a lethal blow while running backwards and forwards 20+ yards is beyond me). Perhaps some sort of compromise is needed with say the attack perimeter being set somewhere between 3 to 5 yards (hence the current PvPers would just have to adapt their skills)?
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as no new information has been posted in 5 pages of posts now, and everyone is repeating the same problems over and over again, lock.