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[Nikodemus]

Maybe make it so that a person can take only one question at a time and the advised people can decided if give point or not.

I was never advisor and so i don\'t know if this help or not.
Is there anything else what can be done about this problem? Above two has been already suggested here in more or less obvious way.

[c-2501]

i think i agree with Cha0s on this issue, avisors should only be given points if the advisee(?) is happy with the answer they recieve

[Halvord]

Correct me if I\'m wrong, but didn\'t I bring up the advisee choosing points system before Chaos?

[c-2501]

Originally posted by Halvord
Correct me if I\'m wrong, but didn\'t I bring up the advisee choosing points system before Chaos? o_0

possibly but i have a very short attention span and may only have read back a few posts

[Kythag]

I am appalled that there is a claim system that is being abused.  I was told to cancel a quest to reset it, and lost the quest.  I had to trade an energy glyph to a player to get them to help me trade items back and forth, so I could get the quest reward.

Sorry about tirade, but I\'m leaving it.  The point is this:  New people need help, they don\'t need it fast, and they need it to be fair to them.  We should be able to rate advisor help, and I am all for GMs testing advisors for rudeness(any advisor can be wrong, I believe the guy that steered me wrong was really trying to help: hence why I left tirade).  

(Side note: Thanks to all the GMs and Advisors who went out of their way to help me!  You went a little too far on a few occasions, but I promise it will pay off with me.  I am one big softie!  If I have extra high slash weapons, I\'m just liable to give them to someone who could truly use it.)

Kythag

[Drey]

i might have all of one advisor point as a gm, though i just have it on to watch over things.

on the claiming mutiple sessions, i may have been known to claim maybe two or three sessions at once if you feel you can help why shouldnt you also when i want to i can type pretty well so there is no question of the people getting downgraded answers because im rushing to answer another. i have never had any complaints driected to me about advice (did i say this already) except once now i think about it... a mistake i make sometimes is /tell instead of /advice and ended up /telling some guy that life isnt fair and he was all like OMG WTF who is drey!!? blah blah.

also i have had complainst when /telling another advisor something to help with their advice.

one little annoyance about the advice channel being open to anyone is when you see players who have like 5 hours play time advising, leaves me thinking do they have anyclue what they are talking about and also what their motives are.

[Kythag]

1)  I have helped plenty of people in game without the \"vast\" amounts of experience that you claim is needed.  Someone with experience like me could field the simpler questions, freeing you \"experienced gurus\" to answer more difficult ones.  This would allow more people help in the long run.  I have even spread some of the help given to me by advisors to other players in need in appreciation of the help I had received.

2)  Life isn\'t fair?   That\'s a little blunt for someone who is asking for help.  Couldn\'t you say something like, \"It is unfortunate, but this is how things are right now.\" ? I am aware that this game is in alpha stage and what that means, but there are people who don\'t understand that concept.  These people are just gamers who found another game to play.  Talking to them like that might drive them away.  

3)  All these people flaming Janner for his comments be aware:  He is my favorite advisor that I know is an advisor.  He takes his part in this very seriously and goes to great lengths to enhance this community and its players.  I question anyone questioning his motives.  It is obvious to me(someone who doesn\'t truly know him) that he cares about being an advisor.  My question is this:  Why don\'t you see that?

Disclaimer:  I\'m not trying to offend, just put my two cents worth in to help in any way I can.  If anything I say here offends anyone, I can only say, \"I\'m sorry\" and assure you that this is not my intention.

Kythag

[Stronith]

Originally posted by c-2501
though to be honest ive never seen another advisor who doesnt claim a session for themselves from time to time, (except stronith, but only because he didnt know how), and that includes the GM\'s

/me rubs his hands together with glee

I know now.  

But that\'s only fair.   I was very pleased to find out how to \'claim\' a question for the same legitimate reason that has been brought up earlier in the thread:

I prefer to use full sentences and be complete with any advice I can offer, and wasting my time only to see another advisor plunk down a short response ticks me off a little.  

It took me asking 2 seasoned advisors to clear up the 500 points = GM thing, and it made no difference to me anyhow.  Helping others understand the PS world and how it works (or does not work, as it may be) is important to maintaining a decent community.  That is the reason I partake in the help channel.

I agree with the \"Did you find the advice helpful?\" feedback idea.  

That\'s all I got, but I had to say something because I don\'t think I\'ve ever seen my name brought up in a thread I wasn\'t involved in.

[Drey]

1) oh yes... i can number my points too. what i dont like to see from these people is a x asks how to get out of the dead place /advice x followed by a /advice x follow someone else out. or other things along those lines

2)
(15:06:05) Jeff asks: someone was stealing kills
(15:06:21) You advise: what was their name?
(15:06:26) Jeff asks: when someone was alreadt there..just came in and tried to taake over
(15:06:33) Jeff asks: its ok hes not doing it now
(15:06:48) You advise: well, do you own the spawn?
(15:07:08) Jeff asks: own it?
(15:07:25) You advise: what gives you right over him?
(15:07:53) Jeff asks: i was killing the tefusang at the spot before he came in ..and hejust came in and killed the next one right when it spawned
(15:08:49) You tell Jeff: maybe you should be quiker.. life isnt fair
(15:09:27) You advise: well next time use /who game to check for GMs
(15:09:41) Jeff asks: so your drey?
(15:09:54) You advise: nope
(15:10:22) Jeff asks: thats funny cus no one else knows about this
(15:10:32) You tell Jeff: shh
(15:10:43) Jeff asks: so an insult from nowhere is somewhat suspicious
(15:10:53) You advise: an insult?
(15:11:11) You tell Jeff: i didnt insult anyone
(15:11:12) Jeff tells you: and who are you?
(15:11:31) You advise: i am Drey your wonderful advisor

I dont see anythging wrong or blunt there, this \'jeff\' (probably not even his real name) was crying about nothing... i gave him his advice, all of what i said was true. (not the best side of my avising, but hey me>you)

3) no one has flamed janner simply added their own thoughts on the matter

and a word on your \'two cents\' you claim you are not trying to offend but you argue against stuff, i dont see how that works.

now posting with avatar of christmass cheer +3, drawn somewhere on the central line between bond street and marble arch.

[c-2501]

Originally posted by Stronith
/me rubs his hands together with glee

I know now.  

yeah coz i told you   :]

but seriously though you and drey are right, the claiming help is good if you want to give someone a full answer to a question, but it should not be used to give a stupidly simple(and usually unhelpful) sentance.

oh and kythag advising is annonynous so how do you know its janner whos been advising you?  and who actually claimed an advisor needs vast ammounts of experience in order to help? ?(

[r.guppy]

c-2501 If i may i will answer for him, Because if i run out of time advising I /tells the rest of the answer rather than wait for someone to have to repeat there request for answers.  )

[Kythag]

{one little annoyance about the advice channel being open to anyone is when you see players who have like 5 hours play time advising, leaves me thinking do they have anyclue what they are talking about and also what their motives are.} quoted from drey\'s post a few posts back.

1) Maybe \"flaming\" was too harsh a word, but there have been people being a little too harsh themselves in critcism of him.  I apologize for using that word.

2) Drey wondered if someone with 5 hours in game should be advising.  He\'s probably right about signing in to officially advise, but I helped several people that early on in the game without them having to use the help system.

3) My comments have been no more \"inflammatory\" than anyone else\'s here.

4) Janner once used /tell like he said to continue helping me after session timed out because he was still typing.  Until this thread, he was the only advisor I knew was advising.

5)  You are right, it wasn\'t rude in that case.  My apologies again.

6) My disclaimer comes from the idea that my opinions sometimes get stated more strongly than I mean them.  However, I will not apologize for my opinions because that is exactly what they are: opinions.  I thought part of alpha stage was working out the kinks in the system, and I have felt like I was participating in that from the advisee standpoint.

If my opinions are wrong, no one has to listen to them.

Kythag

[lucifeir]

ya i get that too and i have like 5000 ap whATS THE DEL WOTH THOSES

[Karyuu]

No you don\'t :) Janner has the most advisor points at 1521.00 at the moment. Please do not spam.

[Drey]

actually if we think about it properly Golmir does.

whATS THE DEL WOTH THOSES

like has already been stated... there isnt really a purpose to them. Tthough you can sit there and think wow arent i nice helping \'x\', in your case like 5000, many people.