POLICE brutality at UCLA, STUN a student who is HANDCUFFED!!!

[zanzibar]

I miss Asia.  If a college student gets mouthy and uncooperative with the cops there they just beat him and spray him with the fire hose.

Or alternatively, they'll run you over with a tank then murder your family.

Gets the point across about the whole "When dealing with the authorities, remember they have the AUTHORITY" thing.  Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience. (quote from maddox.xmission.com)

Just like murder is murder and wrong is wrong?  And don't pay attention to maddox - he's just an idiot with a keyboard like me.  The authorities do NOT have the right to violate your civil rights.

[Xordan]

I miss Asia.  If a college student gets mouthy and uncooperative with the cops there they just beat him and spray him with the fire hose.  Gets the point across about the whole "When dealing with the authorities, remember they have the AUTHORITY" thing.  Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience. (quote from maddox.xmission.com)

In Asia (China mainly) they drag you away and torture you with cigarettes and stun batons. Or they drive over you with tanks. Or they just shoot you. That teaches them mouthy students.

Bleh, zanzibar beat me :| should have read the last page

[Coneitic]

datruth has great and i mean great ideas on everything, sadly they will never come into play because they dont work in the real world. but thanks for your ideas buddy.

[bilbous]

I smell a bit of cultural elitism running through this thread. While there are major differences between what constitutes appropriate governance and the communist countries care less for the rights of the individual that doesn't mean that western countries have that much to crow about. I am sure there were abuses in the course of the "troubles" in Great Britain, and there was that Spanish student shot in the London metro for wearing a backpack while being late for the train as well as that poor guy in New York hauled off the street and raped with a broom handle, the dead students at Kent state in the sixties that Canadian guy the yanks hustled off to Syria for a year of torture just off the top of my head. There is room for improvement all around. And really is the buyer of the sex slaves any better than the seller?

Shame, shame enough for all.

[zanzibar]

I smell a bit of cultural elitism running through this thread. While there are major differences between what constitutes appropriate governance and the communist countries care less for the rights of the individual that doesn't mean that western countries have that much to crow about. I am sure there were abuses in the course of the "troubles" in Great Britain, and there was that Spanish student shot in the London metro for wearing a backpack while being late for the train as well as that poor guy in New York hauled off the street and raped with a broom handle, the dead students at Kent state in the sixties that Canadian guy the yanks hustled off to Syria for a year of torture just off the top of my head. There is room for improvement all around. And really is the buyer of the sex slaves any better than the seller?

Shame, shame enough for all.

A couple of things.

One, you're entirely right.  All those things are horrible.  The thing is, those things don't make the other things any less bad.  Know what I'm trying to say?

Another thing is that a lot of the time, people who put money into the sex industry don't realize that they're recieving services from slaves.  It's an issue which most people are very ignorant about.

[bilbous]

Sure enough, all I was saying was "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" has a certain amount of applicability.

Personally I have no use for purchased sex services although I did patronise strip joints more than was good for me when I was younger, so I suppose that is not much different.

[zanzibar]

It's been a while since I ran anyone over with a tank.

[Xordan]

You ran someone over in a tank? 

[bilbous]

It was never about you personally, it was about societies. But, like , whatevar, gag me with a spoon dude.

[Datruth]

datruth has great and i mean great ideas on everything, sadly they will never come into play because they dont work in the real world. but thanks for your ideas buddy.

Lol coneitic, thanks for the support.

My ideas may not seem realistic, but again, they said a united Europe was unrealistic as well, sure enough it happened and it also marked the rise of the Euro.

As for romania.....

All i'm saying is..... i would not want to live in a newly democracised nation. Too many tensions possibly for me to handle.

That said, i'm looking into moving to New zealand one day.

And what's with this gypsies thing, i've read about them, yet till this day i do not know what a gyspie is, what their beliefs are, and what distinguishes them.

And zanzibar, about the whole thing where you're Damned if your not part of the Orthodox church..... It's true here in the U.S too.

Basically everyone says the other religeon is damned.

Just look at that old guy who runs the 700 club, he damns everyone.

~~Datruth

[drah]

Okay... so people are saying that we should DO something rather than talk about it...

any suggestions on action we can actually take to make any difference there?

I wish there was something I could physically do to make a difference... but even if it was protesting I've got a couple of thousand miles to travel to even do so!!

We all know firing off e-mails will probably fall on death ears.

So what else can we do other than p**s and moan?!

(I'm only asking 'cuz I wish there was more we could do about crap like this!!)

I personally could probably get a hundred or so people to email a certain place with a certain message... but would that make much of difference?? ... none probably

That said... I'd happily chuck a couple of hours of my life into any efforts there... because it just wasn't called for.

Are there many sites out there dedicated to fighting against police-brutality specifically?

[lordraleigh]

Here is one of several groups that fight agains the rise of fascism: http://www.charityadvantage.com/CUAPB/HomePage.asp

Also the ACLU is related with this kind of stuff: http://www.aclu.org/

Anyway, some may not agree. But I think the real function of the police in most countries is to protect the establishment and to fight against any popular uprising that may emerge(See how fast and dedicated the police goes to stop a protest or to aid a rich family compared to how slow they sometimes go to solve a crime that victimized a lower class citizen...)

I think we unnecessarily relies too much on a instituition, that in most cases isn't reliable, called government.
To put too much trust on a bunch of men, with ambitions and usually selfish intentions, to guarantee our safety and dignity isn't a good idea.

U.S. citizens here, you shouldn't fall on that fallacy of "exchanging freedom for safety" with the terrorism as a pretext.

If you let laws like the Patriot Act go, eventually U.S. will have a fascist government.

Remember what Benjamin Franklin said: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[Datruth]

Trading freedoms for Peace, i know exactly what you mean lordraleigh:



And right now America MUST put their trust in the Federal Government when it comes to safety, they control the weapons, money, and people to do that kind of work.

It is a sad thing, Seeing America's government go down the drain.

~~Datruth

[Idoru]

WOW! I finally read it all, I really think that that 'Police Officer' was seriously out of order, it was an abuse of power to act in such a way. Just because they have a badge they think they are not required to act within normally accepted behaviour of an average person.

If a person was being attacked and then defended themself with a TASER, incapacitated the attacker and then continued to stun the person once police had arrived they would surely be arrested themself.

Police, in theory, should be the most respected of people in society, respect is not granted by the awarding of a badge but by being earned by the force as a whole. To gain respect they should show respect to others.

On the point about the dude being unable to stand: If they used the 'Drive Stun' technique it would have been unlikely to cause the loss of movement in the legs, 'just' caused unbelievable agony.

Romania doesnt have the best human rights record since democratisation, but then it doesnt have the worst.

The Gypsies btw are a nomadic race in nearly all countries in europe, the middle east and the americas. I believe they were originally from south/central asia and have been living in europe for about 1000 years.


Well, there ya go, my rather convoluted round up of my opinions on this thread

[bilbous]

latimes indicates this is not the first brutality perpetrated by taser wielder, sadly, the tasers were bought because this guy shot a homeless man. Maybe this time he will get fired.