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« Reply #225 on: November 29, 2006, 01:16:31 am »
So has any more information actually come to light about what happened there?  Was the student being disrespectful and belligerent?  Were the police being the same?  What was it about the behaviour of the person that prompted the people in charge to contact the authorities in the first place?  I have trouble believing the stuff I read in the news mainly because they tend to spin the story so it slants towards whomever they think will buy/watch more news.  

I am trying to take into account that whenever there is a position of authority, there will be those who will abuse it BUT I am also considering the fact that the student body of UCLA has a somewhat dismal reputation when it comes to dealing with civil authorities.  

I love the way so many of the posts and news stories I have seen around the web load thier so called "unbiased" articles with semantically anti-authoritarian phrases.  One of the best ones is "Police TORTURE student for not showing ID at campus library".  Wow, next thing you know Fox news will be actually called "Fair and Balanced" by someone that isn't part of the right wing.  

Please, educate my.  My mind hungers for information.  I love it when some of the more... prolific... members of this forum act all indignant and start flame wars.  If this one gets any more intense I might be able to light my cigarrettes off the computer monitor.
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« Reply #226 on: November 29, 2006, 03:02:46 am »
AGAIN i apologize for having mentioned a topic that so seriously disturbed you, but if you actually READ what i worte i put underneath my comment "oh, you dont? then why do it here?"


I did read through what you said, several times actually just to make sure I was reading it right.  It was not something I would have expected from you.

"Oh, you don't?  Then why do it here?"  <----- This strongly implies that I'm doing such things here on the forum.  It's clear as day to me... you're saying that I wouldn't do these horrible things in real life, and yet I do these horrible things on the forum.  They're your words.

As far as your apology goes, I'm sorry but your apology rings hollow.  You didn't mention a topic that disturbs me.  You insulted me, and you insult me again by apologizing for the wrong thing.





@Goldir:  The case is going to court.  It may be months before we have an even clearer picture of what happened.
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« Reply #227 on: November 29, 2006, 03:09:15 am »
im sorry zanzibar that you felt that that particular comment was solely directed at you. what i MEANT was that people in general wouldnt do that. I said you because i was replying to your post. it was NOT at all directed as a personal attack

im sorry that my apology rings hollow but what can i say, i got pissed off and i got over it. Case closed for me. I apologized casue i recognized the fact that i was being rude and i am truly sorry for that. But im not sorry for standing up for myself.

im really not a mean argumentative person  :flowers: i promises


anywhos.....lets continue off of Goldir now :D

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« Reply #228 on: November 29, 2006, 03:48:24 am »
Standing up for yourself is just fine, but you attacked me when I was not attacking you so I'm sorry if I don't see it that way.
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« Reply #229 on: November 29, 2006, 04:00:23 am »
anywho, i havent heard much of anything enw about this whole ordeal. i wonder if the kid was ok, and i want to know what they did to the policemen

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« Reply #230 on: November 29, 2006, 08:27:33 am »
UPDATE on UCLA COPS use of Tasers:

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Three UCLA cops were recently given “Tazer Awards” for subduing a mental patient earlier this year! Way to go guys, treat yourself to an extra donut! Maybe if you’re lucky Santa will bring you some quadriplegic kids to zap!

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The Meritorious Service/Taser Award was presented to Officers Joseph Eubank, Ethan Shear, Kevin Kay and Dan Jermansen for successfully subduing a patient without harm after he threatened staff at the Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors

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I'm starting to really hate these Policemen.

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« Reply #231 on: November 29, 2006, 01:35:25 pm »
UPDATE on UCLA COPS use of Tasers:

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Three UCLA cops were recently given “Tazer Awards” for subduing a mental patient earlier this year! Way to go guys, treat yourself to an extra donut! Maybe if you’re lucky Santa will bring you some quadriplegic kids to zap!

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The Meritorious Service/Taser Award was presented to Officers Joseph Eubank, Ethan Shear, Kevin Kay and Dan Jermansen for successfully subduing a patient without harm after he threatened staff at the Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors

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I'm starting to really hate these Policemen.

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Well what would you have done if a mentally ill patient went on the rampage with a pair of sharp scissors? In this case I don't see the problem. Maybe being given an award for it is a bit silly though :P I'm assuming they didn't shoot him multiple times though... and then handcuff and shoot again.

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« Reply #232 on: November 29, 2006, 01:51:00 pm »
I agree, I would rather see someone TAZERed than shot if they are a risk to themselves or the public. The award is rediculous unless it is common place that the police would shoot to kill in such circumstances?

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« Reply #233 on: November 29, 2006, 03:13:14 pm »
i have two instances with the police that im sure everyone would like to hear, and yes ones got phisical abuse in it, yano the juicy stuff. but i'd like to hear some of yours first. especially datruth i know he has had some kind of run in with the law

My boyfriend was coming back from Alabama after a weekend long instrument flight training clinic. Yes, he's a flight instructor. Boyfriend also happens to have dark hair, a beard, is generally middle eastern looking in his physical apprearance, and was driving our old car which is covered with (my) bumper stickers. On a rural road in Alabama he was stopped by a cop. The cop approaches the car, and tells boyfriend to get out of the car. Boyfriend asks cop if there's a problem. Cop tells boyfriend again to get out of the car. Boyfriend does as he's told, and gets out of the car, at which point he is pushed against the side of the car and frisked. Cop then proceeds to rip the car apart, never telling boyfriend why he was stopped, what he's looking for.. nothing. With boyfriends belongings now out on the side of the road, his suitcase open, the cop tells boyfriend he was speeding and tells him the fine is 100 dollars (cash only please), and never does write boyfriend a ticket.

The cop was probably looking for drugs, and figured he'd stop this sort of hippy looking guy from out-of-state, be a hero by making a big drug bust of a few grams of pot, and was royally po'd when he found he'd wasted his time coming up with absolutely nothing. I'm sure the 100 dollar "fine" went right into his own pocket.

When boyfriend gets home and relays this to me, I tell him he has to follow through with a complaint against the cop. His response, "Tell who? And tell them what?" No witnesses, no citation issued.
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« Reply #234 on: November 29, 2006, 03:24:40 pm »
HMMMM, I wonder what would have happened had he refused to hand over the cash until a ticket was written.

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« Reply #235 on: November 29, 2006, 04:58:41 pm »
Police are .......on second thought I am not going to jump up on my soap box, I will however share a comedic look at a sickening reality.

 Does this make you laugh ?

Here is another questionable act of police, and for their efforts they get a paid vacation.
http://www.local6.com/news/10404890/detail.html
http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2006/11/26/the-death-of-sean-bell/


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« Reply #236 on: November 29, 2006, 05:22:58 pm »
HMMMM, I wonder what would have happened had he refused to hand over the cash until a ticket was written.

It all depends on whether you're willing to take a beating for what you believe in.

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« Reply #237 on: November 29, 2006, 06:53:42 pm »
If it happened in the UK, I'd risk the beating, although it's unlikely to happen. In the US, they're armed with tazers and guns and other weaponry. Not worth the risk. Just a thought, but maybe the fact that cops are armed so heavily in the US is why there's so much abuse?

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« Reply #238 on: November 29, 2006, 06:58:37 pm »
If it happened in the UK, I'd risk the beating, although it's unlikely to happen. In the US, they're armed with tazers and guns and other weaponry. Not worth the risk. Just a thought, but maybe the fact that cops are armed so heavily in the US is why there's so much abuse?


You wouldn't do it in Alabama.  The cop would beat you half to death then claim that you attacked him.  I'm not sure what the right thing to do would be in that situation except to pay the bribe.  Any sane alternative would involve hefty lawyer fees.
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« Reply #239 on: November 29, 2006, 07:07:23 pm »
If it happened in the UK, I'd risk the beating, although it's unlikely to happen. In the US, they're armed with tazers and guns and other weaponry. Not worth the risk. Just a thought, but maybe the fact that cops are armed so heavily in the US is why there's so much abuse?

Yea xordan... we kill here.... can't do much protesting, sorry bud :)

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