Some notes from a random stranger.

[Nivm]

 I'm sorry to say to the first; yes. I tend to mean exactly what I say, unless I make a mestake. If I was using a metaphor, I would have stated it explicitly, then added reminders halfway through and at the end. I guess I need to say it's not a metaphor explicitly too. :⌠ Sorry, I'll do better after finals are over and I start sleeping again.

 Yeah, the rest of that is right. One just needs to make sure that it's not poor design or glitches that acts as the wall, which I guess is something I hinted.

 I also wanted to ask, how do I access the bug tracker? I've seen it mentioned, but the manual does link it, and neither does the main site. I could be selectively blind in my searches though.

[weltall]

it's in the client and the main page of this server http://www.hydlaaplaza.com/flyspray/

[Nivm]

 Thanks, sorry for turning this into a newbie thread though. Finally have the game running and am discovering more things matter on the wiki...at least I think they matter. Testing is required.

Edit: The non-worship options seem to default strait to atheist, without allowing any middle ground, like agnostic. In a place where gods are real, wouldn't there be more diversity than five options? And options people normally wouldn't think of? Like pact based religion instead of worship based? I guess I'll have to choose atheist.

[Roled]

I'm looking forward to meeting you ig Nivm!

Roled Rolak
is more naive than his typist thinks he is

[LigH]

@ Nivm:

You are not the first board member who argued about the meaning and sense of "Atheism" in PlaneShift / in Yliakum. Use the search, Luke!

[Akkaido Kivikar]

Well, technically "Atheism" in PlaneShift is more agnostic than atheist. The gods exist, and are gods, that's undoubtable. The question is whether they are worthy of worship or not.

[Nivm]

 I know. The last change to the option and option description was some time ago, and it is still missing a great deal, some of which has not even been spoken of. The experienced community members understand that it's a misnomer and confuses newbies; yet it has not been corrected. To clarify the question; "why are the options so sparse when the actual religions are not?" The record should be accurate, and allow for significant morphing.
 I would also like to note that the real-world version of atheism can exist in Yliakum; some people are really that stupid, deluded, or ignorant. Do the gods really search out such people and kill them, or make a personal appearance?
 Who is Luke?

 I have not been able to return yet.

[Ceromas]

He was making a joke...

You know "Use the force, luke." ?

[Nivm]

 Ah, text has no tone.

[Rigwyn]

Nivm, you sound a little nutty. Do you take happy pills ?

[LigH]

Why are options so sparse which have no influence on the technical development of the character yet ... except for wasting of Character Points, and adding some text to the "Character Creation" part of the character description?

Well, rumours say that only those characters which start with "Blackflame" religion will eventually be able to enter the Blackflame temple; but there has not been any public confirmation yet that this was already implemented. Apart from that, I don't know of any consequences a choice of religion in the character creation process would have during the later playing. I even doubt that this option is saved in the database. For several years (and maybe still?!) not even the parents' names were stored in the database, although selecting them was mandatory in the custom character generation.

Not that any of this would be relevant for any character built via the quick presets. Which are - already mentioned several times - surprisingly conflict oriented for a roleplaying-supporting kind of online game. Not even one quick character preset which is not related to fighting, but to the rather intellectual or simply the boringly-normal type of character.

Yes, this game has flaws.

Yes, this game is neither complete nor correct yet.

But hey - after much more than 6 years of 3D development (and so many more since the generic idea was founded), we are not yet even at Version 0.6! We still have enough time to file off any burrs.

[Nivm]

But hey - after much more than 6 years of 3D development (and so many more since the generic idea was founded), we are not yet even at Version 0.6! We still have enough time to file off any burrs.

 The point! ↑

Nivm, you sound a little nutty. Do you take happy pills?

I took unhappy pills about six years ago, a bit before the last time I came here, actually. The madness probably comes from the fact that I didn't have sleep during any of those posts. I have some of that now, but I can't really tell what change that will be. I still focus on details, text still has no tone, and the game still requires work from all sources.

 So most of those options are deleted? Hm, well, I guess I can check. Shouldn't take too much diving, although it might require more memory than this computer has.

 I realized that my character is going to be completely distraught when he learns where runes come from. It will be his personal version of "Where do babies come from?"

Edit: Subversion? I know not of it. Also, will it give me the current version of the Plane Shift source code?
Edit2: Where is the conversation on why the servers are divided in purpose? The search founding someone asking for it, but not the thread for results.

[Sarras Volcae]

i think there should be an undecided choice for religion. the character creation clearly says atheists are insane because gods obviously exist. if a character acknowledges that gods exist but doesn't worship any in particular, they should be classified as undecided.

[Akkaido Kivikar]

Not necessarily undecided, they could also be agnostic, choosing not to worship a god as they don't think any deserve it.

[Rigwyn]

What does it matter ?
If nobody roleplays their religion and the benefits/consequences of their choice then there might as well not be religion at all.
_- that or one unified all accepting religion that one only needs to say that they belong to?
 
Agnostic/athiest just means "no, I don't want to be bothered with this part of the settings"

If your character has gone agnostic or whatever then that's your character's choice. Such an unconventionial stance would pobably draw ridicule icly as the current population ( aside from defiant players ) is convinced that there are gods and that they should be worshiped.