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« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2013, 07:29:59 am »
now wouldn't it be cool if say, there was one of the npcs near bulletin boards (the artist kra? Loren Chalma? ) who every once in a while would stand reading the bulletins out loud (could this happen??) and say "What do you know! X and Y have opened a new Z shop!" or Lady P and Lord Q announce their upcoming nuptuals, to be held in Amdeneir on 15 Treman" 

This would take moderating for sure,   :-X so maybe its a terrible idea, (remember technical zolt here) :beta:

 BUT then people would be all up in each other's bidnez!  Like the Star tabloid of the Dome!

Nothing is secret! (once it's posted on a bulletin board and moderated) ... on a meta level then the player rps become psychologically community news, just in the same way people in general irl hear about stuff, even if they don't watch the news or read newspapers.  It might add even more credibility to the rp aspect of the game, the player/ community aspect of the game. 

Up for discussion, all- shoot holes in it as ye may!

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« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2013, 07:33:44 am »
In the past, we had some players who took it upon themselves to distribute newspapers.  Some gave honest IC stories, others deliberately slanted their stories for IC reasons. All good. It seems that nobody really sticks to doing this.



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« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2013, 07:37:03 am »
I haven't seen any evidence of it working yet but who knows.

The way to use it is to RP as if you got word of something posted, say by a flyer or some such thing that gets circulated to the cities. I imagine they have ways of getting news around. Then use the story as a talking point or even a prompt for action. For instance, if your character is a fashionista, then news of the latest spring fashions being taken from Octarchs might prompt you to spend more time talking about the local Octarch's clothes and trying to find a tailor to make some clothes for you like them. Or perhaps you go in the opposite direction and criticize the people in charge of the latest fashions for poor taste.

One of the things I noticed that stifles RP is getting in game and have nothing to talk about. If you are already part of an RP arc then great, but if not... :( This is especially a pain for characters that have been away for awhile. So rather leave an empty hole there, I sought to fill it with inventing news that people can run with.

I took my inspiration from the news that was apparently released in Mass Effect 2. It was a brilliant idea to release in universe news that allowed the game universe to be fleshed out without spending pages and pages on backstory. Then a pretty amazing thing happened, someone started keeping track of those news pieces on a site and RPers came in on their own and started RPing in response to the news. It was really amazing and I am not even well versed in Mass Effect. Lately though, the quality of that RP seems to have changed, but I figured that if a game that wasn't for RPers could start up RP that way then a game that is for RP should be able to run with that idea even better.

And while I'm at it... *cough*
[Many people have tried to get a news source going in game but it hasn't been able to really take. But, I had an idea that might make it a bit easier. Maybe if we pare it down into short news stories, cut down on the overhead and distribution issues, and *cough*make stuff up*cough* it will help drive things in game to the point where some of the news stories might actually be connected to or inspire in game RP.

If you have an idea for a short news bulletin then feel free to post it but keep the news IC and within reason. It's not likely that Hydlaa will have been ransacked by creatures from the labyrinths just yet. ;) If there is enough interest in it we might start an IC thread where characters can interact with each other over the news. This will help with communicating across time zones.]

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« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2013, 10:05:04 am »
I took my inspiration from the news that was apparently released in Mass Effect 2. It was a brilliant idea to release in universe news that allowed the game universe to be fleshed out without spending pages and pages on backstory. Then a pretty amazing thing happened, someone started keeping track of those news pieces on a site and RPers came in on their own and started RPing in response to the news. It was really amazing and I am not even well versed in Mass Effect. Lately though, the quality of that RP seems to have changed, but I figured that if a game that wasn't for RPers could start up RP that way then a game that is for RP should be able to run with that idea even better.

That's a great idea I would like the GM team to support it, one news each week would be fine to start with. If a GM would publish a bulletin each week then the players may decide to RP based on that, no need to enforce anything just a way to keep the world up and running.

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« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2013, 06:29:39 pm »
Illysia, it would be great if you could occasionally incorporate news-worthy events from actual roleplays.
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« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2013, 07:16:20 pm »
I had intended to do so but people have to submit news from roleplays first.

However what Roled wants sounds like maybe occasionally expanding Allelia's "about gossip" KA.

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« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2013, 10:32:09 pm »
I see one tiny issue. Doing this requires manual work. Someone needs to manually review messages and stuff. When you do this, you are creating a job for *someone else* which may not be very easy to keep filled. Adding more of these jobs is bad practice as over time they will accumulate.


I'm not shooting it down.... just saying.



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« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2013, 11:05:46 pm »
Rigwyn has a habit of saying useful things, but not saying everything about them that needs to be said. Then I have to come out of my hole and say more things. Godammit, Rigwyn.

Firstly,
who tricked Rigwyn into following her into a courtyard where he was drugged,  tied to a tree and given a choice - leave vayl alone or become hydlaa's first gelded diaboli.

Diaboli don't exist and have never existed. Compete retcon. Ministry of Truth would like to have a word with you.

Now, onto the topics of distribution of news (which I think is a very, very good one)

In the past, we had some players who took it upon themselves to distribute newspapers.  Some gave honest IC stories, others deliberately slanted their stories for IC reasons. All good. It seems that nobody really sticks to doing this.

I have experience with such distribution (once being Yliakum's premiere source for all news and quality information). The true nature of the Rockbrain would not have been unearthed without my highly-skilled sleuthing. Illysia can definitely attest to the quality of my work. The important thing here is that it is not sustainable for a player to do. Your comments about creating work are definitely true, but they apply to players too. There are no ingame functions for permanent distribution, and that means it's on a player to be:
1) Logged in
2) Hunting down people on the street and peddling books
3) NOT engaging in other roleplay while they are doing it.

Number 3 becomes the problem. How does a character discover new things and enhance the world (god knows the playerbase is limited so everyone has to contribute) when they must be focusing on peddling news? The simple answer is, they can't and burnout occurs. There gets to be a point where there are two unpublished Toenail novels that are just about completed (and quite good), but they never hit the press because doing the same selling spiel over and over again is exhausting.

Problems are all good and fine, and I know we can all come up with as many problems as we like, but I also have (and have had for a long time) a proposed solution to this problem: The Industrial Revolution. Planeshift needs to invent the printing press, and it needs to be user-accessible. Here is my ingame flow proposition:

1) Authors write a book, piece of news, whatever, and insert it into the printing press. This is located somewhere central. By the octarchal building seems reasonable, government and publishing going together and whatnot.
2) This piece of news is then distributed to each printing press on street corners around Hydlaa/Other Cities. Think a standard newspaper box, players can access it and it's like the forges, there are several slots each containing pieces of news. These can disappear after a day or two, or be archived somehow, that's a detail. My preferred solution is news stays for a week before being archived in Jayose's library. This would give players real, tangible and permanent influence on the game world.

Monitization could occur on either end, people could pay for news and all that, but I don't agree to that. The goal is not for capitalism to thrive, it is for an imaginative game to thrive and if that requires fiscal suspension of disbelief, so be it.

The topic that will inevitably come up is moderation, and who has to moderate. I think this question is incorrect. Any player can /shout. Any player can spam any number of expletives in /gossip. Players already can influence massive numbers of players negatively through bad behaviour. The solution to that is /report and this is also the solution to the news problem. GMs are already there to deal with reports of bad behaviour and this would be no exception, but I absolutely, completely disagree that each piece of news would need to be moderated before being published. That's just wasteful.

Being a programmer, I understand that the devil is in the details when adding new features, but the implementation of this feature is trivial in the scope of such a large 3D game. The entities and much of the logic to complete this is already ingame, the biggest prohibiting factor is executive leadership and lack of decision to implement this strictly roleplay-focused feature.

I won't comment any more on this other than to say that I don't think this feature will ever make it ingame, and I think that's a crying shame.

That is all I have to say on this, thank you for dragging me out of my hole and getting me nostalgic. Godammit, Rigwyn.
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« Reply #128 on: April 10, 2013, 11:20:31 pm »
 ;D

While I typically avoid agreeing with Timmy I shall make an exception here. The printing press idea is good and there really does need to be an in game distribution system, more than the news boards that re already clogged with messages that are not being kept track of thus making them useless.

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« Reply #129 on: April 11, 2013, 12:35:06 am »
The need for moderation really applied to things that would be said by an NPC to prevent people from making NPCs say really stupid things things that are completely out of character, that violate game rules, or that would seriously break immersion.

Good times, good times...


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« Reply #130 on: April 11, 2013, 12:44:01 am »
I think we have less fools and jerks now so such things are probably not as much of an issue. We just need a distribution system with ease of use and access. Players will more likely fill in the rest if it is in game instead of here.

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« Reply #131 on: April 11, 2013, 12:53:18 am »
Also I want to make it very clear that I don't endorse the NPCs saying anything. Ever.

God, I hate every single one of the NPCs.


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« Reply #132 on: April 11, 2013, 01:37:57 am »
I think we have less fools and jerks now so such things are probably not as much of an issue.

This is only because we have less players total.
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« Reply #133 on: April 11, 2013, 01:43:26 am »
And we won't get more unless we do something drastic to pump up the RP presence in game. The game needs to feel more vibrant to get more people.

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« Reply #134 on: April 11, 2013, 01:59:32 am »
If its fun, people will play. If its awesome, they will tell other people about it.