From heros to zeros!

[Davis]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
In the past, war was a benefactor to the depression, it gave jobs to millions. Most people that were starving and hungry were saved by world war 2! War also is a excuse to advance in technology! Maybe this was the U.S plan start a war so they can conduct biochemical testing in nevada and create robot monsters who can destroy whole armies, or MAYBE NOT !

You\'re absolutely right. War benefits the economy and allows the military to advance technology and other things. I wouldn\'t mind if that was one of the factors in the war. Kill two birds with one stone.

[lynx_lupo]

Sadly, but we need wars. It\'s a very efficient way to limit population growth and reduce overcrowdedness...

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
Most people that were starving and hungry were saved by world war 2!

I wonder if the soldiers that after the war became homeless beggars and died out of hunger and cold thought that war is good for economy too. What do you think?


War is good for economy for the countries that sell weapons to the fighting countries. The fighting countries waste peanutloads of money on whatever they can to strength the front.


I do agree that war is good for technological progress... Did you know that the chocolate thing that stiffens when you pour it on icecream was invented by the US army as a weapon? I can only imagine what it was supposed to do :rolleyes: It didn\'t work as a weapon, but now it\'s in the food industry, and it\'s great!



But the US don\'t really need war as an excuse for weapons R&D, the future wars that might happen is enough of an excuse for them.

[Rulzern]

1. The government is responsible for it\'s citizens actions.
2. The citizens are responsible for the actions of their government.
3. Discussing politics on the internet is about as useful as picking navel lint.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by tygerwilde
I think we need to do something about our government too. we have a total screw up for a president. he didn\'t even get in by popular vote, he had to rely on the electorial college. we\'re SUPPOSED to be a DEMOCRACY, in other words, my vote should count, but his presidency proves that we aren\'t and it doesn\'t. as a nation, we aught to be able to rectify this, but we can\'t without rebelling. it totally sucks a$$ho1e big time.

If the american public can\'t be trusted to vote in the right president, then why even pretend that we\'re a democracy?

No, We\'re supposed to be a Republic.

Yes, the A) Political System and B)Financial system need an overhaul.

1. So if a man from Nebraska builds a Nuclear Weapon and obliterates, say... France from the face of the earth, the Government of the United States is responsible?  What if he did this while he was in China?

2. So all those people in the US who opposed the war are at fault, eh?  :rolleyes:

3. Some more moderate people such as myself swing back and forth on positions depending on what people say to us.  Liberalism here is counter-acted by hard-core conservatism when I go to school,  and vice versa.

Anybody, regardless of profession can easily become a homeless beggar.  There is always some level of unemployment.


*France used as a random example, use of France as an example does not represent a hatred on the part of the author.


OT: Canadian Candy Ownz!!!  

[Uyaem]

Originally posted by lynx_lupo
Sadly, but we need wars. It\'s a very efficient way to limit population growth and reduce overcrowdedness...

Of course it\'s always tragic to lose e.g. a member of the family to a war, but objectively talking numbers (= ppl who lost their life in wars like the one in Iraq) I don\'t think modern wars have any influence on world (over-)population.

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Monketh
Anybody, regardless of profession can easily become a homeless beggar.  There is always some level of unemployment.

After WWII many of the participating countries had to rebuild themselves. Soldiers in their early 20\'s had no qualifications, and wouldn\'t get money from the government (there just wasn\'t any money to give) became beggars.
No, this is nothing like when someone becomes a beggar in times of peace.


Maybe during the war the economy grows a bit, maybe. But after the war is over, the dust settles, and the destruction is uncovered, there\'s nothing good about the economy, and the good that might have been during the war is nothing compared to the inflation after it.

But of course, the US didn\'t really suffer from the war, they had nothing to rebuild, so it doesn\'t matter, huh?

[DepthBlade]

Monketh

*France used as a random example, use of France as an example does not represent a hatred on the part of the author.


OT: Canadian Candy Ownz!!!  

Ok how convenient you used France in the example I got a kick over the just because you guys had that whole thing where you were mad at them and wanted to change french fries to  a different name lol! But anyways

OT: Damn right Canadian Candy ownz, you damn americans buy out or Eatmores and Toffee whenever you come to our store !

[Peeeevs]

i really didnt read all of the other posts.. but imho i believe they got what they got beeing a north american we hear about all of the suicide bombings of americans getting killed and they torure they are going through....i simply believe its an eye for an eye becuase what have they been doing?? getting our soilders and totureing and killing them and putting the video all over there news and boasting about it.... one of my best friends is a MP in the marines and this. to him makes him laugh because what you saw those people doing was only the first step in intearigation......  but abuse is only ythe second choice..not the first they give them the chance to talk to them..and if they dont then they will be made to... but they are not killed on purpose.... however on the other side of the rainbow..... all they do is toture and when they have there information... whats the use of having some us soilder laying around?? so they kill them... cut there heads off and plaster it all over there tv.. (and im not talking about the most recent one with the contractor) they\'re scum    
The us is trying to give the iraqie people freedom and these people want to take it away......  This is my view on the matter altho it might be skewed by the fact if my military friends..but this is how i believe it to be.

[SaintNuclear]

You haven\'t read any of the other posts even though there were only 3 pages yet you expect us to read your\'s?

Originally posted by Peeeevs
i simply believe its an eye for an eye

Hmm, the Iraqis are terrible so you\'re allowed to be terrible too? The US is supposed to be modern, yet you justify the turturing as the barbaric \'an eye for an eye\'.
How exactly are you saving them by being barbaric? Out of the frying pan into the fire.

The us is trying to give the iraqie people freedom

Who says the Iraqis want the US to save them? If the majority of the Iraqis would want to be saved from Saddam\'s regime he would be long gone.
And even if they want to be saved, they probebly don\'t want a puppet government!




You can\'t save those that don\'t want to be saved, and saying that the US started this whole mess to \'free\' the Iraqis is even more of a BS than the oil excuse.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by SaintNuclear
Who says the Iraqis want the US to save them? If the majority of the Iraqis would want to be saved from Saddam\'s regime he would be long gone.
And even if they want to be saved, they probebly don\'t want a puppet government!

So you\'re saying that the United States will control the Iraqi government years into the future?  It\'s only a puppet government now because Iraq is too unstable for elections, some of the Iraqi councilors object to various US actions.

I\'m pretty sure North Koreans don\'t like starving, but their dictator is still in power.

[tygerwilde]

meh, if bush stays in power he\'ll have his men over there for his whole term. mostly so he can steal oil to give to nascar racing...


Nascar, favorite of ignorant rednecks and redneck presidents everywhere

seriously, I don\'t feel that citizens are responcible for the actions of their leaders, remember, more people voted against bush being our president than did for him. I know I voted against him, and I\'m not claiming ANY responcibility for this iraq bulls**t

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Monketh
I\'m pretty sure North Koreans don\'t like starving, but their dictator is still in power.

Maybe they don\'t like starving, but they don\'t feel like uprising either.
Don\'t forget that it\'s the poor and hungry people that usually make revolutions and not the rich ones.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by SaintNuclear

Originally posted by Monketh
I\'m pretty sure North Koreans don\'t like starving, but their dictator is still in power.

Maybe they don\'t like starving, but they don\'t feel like uprising either.
Don\'t forget that it\'s the poor and hungry people that usually make revolutions and not the rich ones.

You missed my point entirely.  The point was: Not all people that are dissatisied with or hate their government openly rebel.  Why do you think feudalism survived for so long?

Tyger: You may not claim responsibility, but your tax dollars are gonna pay for fixing it whether you like it or not.  Saying that those who didn\'t support the war shouldn\'t pay money for it is like not paying a portion of your taxes because your already have security at your house and you don\'t need police officers.

and saying that the US started this whole mess to \'free\' the Iraqis is even more of a BS than the oil excuse.

Actually, the oil \"excuse\" was an accusation.
Why do you think we went there then?

[Peeeevs]

You can\'t save those that don\'t want to be saved, and saying that the US started this whole mess to \'free\' the Iraqis is even more of a BS than the oil excuse.

for oil??? HA i wish gas is not more than 2$ here in a place where its never ben more than 1.75 until the last 6 mouths