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Gameplay => Guilds Forum => Topic started by: Rioth on April 23, 2005, 01:12:17 pm
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Greetings everyone ! As promised, my first post on Planeshift forums is about my guild, The Dragon Council. Some may think that I?m posting a bit late, but I wanted to entirely finish the guild?s website before doing anything else. Anyway, here is the backgrond of my guild. It\'s quite long and more important information will be found in the second post.
Background
Old Memories
The origins of The Dragon Council may be unknown to many people of Yliakum, even on this very day... However, there was once a time when the word Dragon was common, and known to bring peace and wealth. This time may have been forgotten during the flow of time, infinite and resourceful. Now, only fear and terror is generated by this word, and in some memories, this time is known as... The Dark Age... Still, if it hadn\'t been for the weakness of Yliakum\'s creatures\' mind, everyone would have remembered this wealthy and peaceful time, which began when this powerful family first arrived from the Stone Labyrinth... It happened a very long time ago...
The Arrival
It was only the beginning of spring... Well an Yliakumen spring, but still a spring... There were not many things troubling the peaceful and quiet life of Yliakum\'s inhabitants. Last fall\'s harvest hadn\'t been very good, but it was enough for everyone to live on. So it was really unexpected to see, one of those sunny morning, such a mass of people coming from the Stone Labyrinth. What was even more surprising was that those people seemed to wish to settle in one town or another. Well it\'s what they thought.
Rather than settling in a town like Hydlaa, they chose to build a huge house in the countryside. The construction was finished in no time and the whole people, who were in fact one huge family, began to work hard to gather essential resources. Some went farming and hunting, others looking for every kind of ore they could take to craft weapons and tools. The only thing was that everything was always done perfectly.
Soon the family was known throughout all Yliakum because of it\'s wealth. It\'s also about at that time that the family happened to be called the Dragon Family, as it\'s members had weird beliefs in strange winged and powerful creatures they were calling themselves Dragons. In fact, everywhere on the lands claimed by the Dragon Family, one could have seen the gigantic and magnificent stone beasts they had sculpted.
The Great Alliance
The Dragon Family lived there in peace for ages, until one day a war occurred in the region. A powerful army of Dark Knights coming from the Stone Labyrinth was planning the destruction of all Yliakum. The other people of Yliakum made an alliance, the first one uniting together so many different races, in order to repeal the Dark Army. But no matter with how many they were, the army of the Great Alliance was no match for the bloody Dark Knights.
So, one day, as the Dark Army was getting close to the lands of the Dragon Family, the army of the Great Alliance went to the Dragon Family house to rest, replenish their supplies, but mostly to seek new allies, as even the leaders of the Great Alliance were beginning to lose their winning hope. They didn\'t know what else they could have done anyway. This is how the Dragon Family officially joined the Great Alliance and took part in this war.
The Dark War
It had been a very long time since the members of the Dragon Family had been to war, but as for them training was something that had to be done daily, the Dragon Warriors, as they were called later, were incredible fighters. Seeing the Dragon Warriors putting on their beautiful armours and taking their most beautiful weapons, the soldiers of the army of the Great Alliance where cheering up. Now nothing could possibly stop them. So when the Dragon Family and the army of the Great Alliance were finally ready to fight, the leaders decided to launch an attack in order to surprise the Dark Army and to crush it in no time. At least, that\'s how it was planned...
Performing the strongest assault ever done in all Yliakum, the army encountered an unexpected resistance. In fact, the Dark Knights were in incredible numbers. Even with the surprise attack, the wind of victory seemed to be with the Dark Army once again. At least, the soldiers of the Great Alliance thought so... In a part of the battlefield, the Dark Knights didn\'t seem to be willing to laugh at their enemies or just crush them. They were just wishing to flee as the Dragon Warriors were striking them as hard as they could. Their fighting abilities and their unknown way to use magical powers without the help of Glyphs were unbelievable to say the least...
Inevitable Defeat
Seeing this, the leaders of the Great Alliance felt themselves being held by the wish to crush their enemies. But even then, they weren\'t enough to hold the Dark Knights, and with each enemy falling, new ones were coming more eager to kill Yliakum soldiers. One by one, the chiefs of the Great Alliance were injured so badly that they were on the edge between death and life.
With their leaders lying dying on the battlefield, the soldiers of the Great Alliance, who had already begun to withdraw, were now fleeing as fast as they could. Even the Dragon Family was taking losses now, and many Dragon Warriors had fallen under the swords of the Dark Knights. The defeat seemed inevitable...
The Dragon Lord\'s Arrival, the Wrath of the Dragons
When the chiefs of the Great Alliance were almost dead and when all hopes to win or even to live had vanished, a huge shadow spread over the battlefield. At first, the soldiers of the Great Alliance thought that they were dead, until they heard the Dragon Warriors singing old war songs and fighting even harder than before. When they watched the sky, the soldiers could see a huge thing flying at an incredible speed, and on it\'s back was standing the mighty Lord of the Dragon Family, who hadn\'t taken part in the battle until now.
In his shinning golden armor, his powerful sword in one hand and a shield bearing the head of a dragon, symbol of the Dragon Family, in the other hand, that\'s how he joined the battle. Jumping from where he was, he landed uninjured in the very middle of the Dark Army, Dark Knights running away from him, as if they had met a God of Hell...With the Dragon Lord crushing hundreds of Dark Knights with each strike, the unleashed Dragon Family and the survivors of the Great Alliance, the Dark Army was nothing more than a bunch of bugs roaming the battlefield.
Soon the Dark Army was completely destructed thus ending the battle which was later revered to as The Dark Battle as despite the victory had been taken, the army of the Great Alliance wasn\'t looking like an army anymore and even the Dragon Family had suffered some important losses.
Departure
After the battle, there were many heavily injured soldiers on the battlefield, not to mention the leaders of the Great Alliance who were very near death. So the Dragon Family began to heal everyone in a very strange manner. Using there own blood as a medicine, they made everyone drink it. Everyone awakened feeling really well even if they were still injured. No one understood how such a thing could have happened, and of course the Dragon Family never answered.
The Dragon Lord also told them that they hadn\'t come to this land to seek power or glory and so they would go back to the Stone Labyrinth to seek a new place to settle. And so the Dragon Family slowly made itself ready for the long trip that laid ahead of it. Still, some members of the family wanted to stay in Yliakum, among whom was the Dragon Lord\'s son, and so they planned to leave for other countries while the main part of the Dragon Family went back to the Stone Labyrinth.
Birth and Death of a Legend
So while the remnants of the army of the Great Alliance where led back home by their leaders, the last members of the Dragon Family, who were only about ten, began a long journey to find a peaceful land to live in. From this day, they were never seen again. Bringing news of victory with them, the soldiers and the leaders of the army of the Great Alliance were acclaimed by everyone. The events of the Dark Battle reaching the ears of every people, soon the word spread throughout all Yliakum that the Dragon Family members and their Lord were kind of Half-Gods who only came here to protect Yliakum\'s inhabitants. Of course they were wrong...
As time passed, new wars shattered Yliakum without any members of the Dragon Family showing up to stop them. At first, the people of Yliakum began to think that the Dragon Family had been cursed to death by the Dark Knights and that therefore they couldn\'t be of any help. But as time kept flowing, the Dragon Family was slowly put on the background, and as it was always awakening bad memories, people began to think that the Dragon Family was in fact the Dark Army. With even more time passing, the Dragon Family was dropped out of Yliakum\'s memories, and its name only revered to old and dark times...
Toward the New Era, Dragon Generation
Ages later, a young boy called Rioth Selerel was born in Yliakum. Having spent his childhood with his parents in a peaceful countryside, he had never seen weapons, fights or anything of the sort, and that was something really unusual in Yliakum. But even more unusual was that thanks to his parents, he knew about the Dark War and the Dragon Family even though it had happened so long ago. The only thing was that he thought it was a mere legend. When he came of age, he used to wander in the countryside. He hadn\'t carried any weapons, but he wouldn\'t have needed them anyway as it seemed that this area was somehow preserved from any kind of harm.
One day, he reached some old ruins. It was a kind of gigantic house, still magnificent despite the damages it had suffered from the time. There, he saw ancient sculptures of mighty winged beasts and marvellous decorations well kept from the time. As he was about to enter the house, he saw a little blue stone on the door and strange symbols written near it. While he was sure he had never seen such things before, he could understand them easily. It said \"Here stands the house of the mighty Dragon Family, No one but someone with true Dragon Blood may enter this house alive\". Rioth realised that as he was reading those symbols, they were brightening, and some connections between the symbols and the stone made the stone brightening too. Without warning, the door opened, and Rioth entered the house of the Dragon Family.
The house of the Dragon Family was really huge, and Rioth had only visited a few rooms when he reached one which was filled with ancient books. As he walked in, one of the books dragged his attention. The book was filled with the same kind of symbols which were on the entrance door of the house, but again, Rioth understood them easily. This time it was a summary of the Dark War, and what made the Dragon Family leave Yliakum for another world. It also said that some of the members of the Dragon Family had stayed in Yliakum and that only a descendant of those members would be able to read those lines. It was then stated that as soon as it would be done, it wouldn\'t take long for the Dragon Family to rise again in Yliakum as powerful as it used to be and even more...
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The New Order, The Dragon Council
As he read those lines, Rioth was more and more puzzled, but nothing would have prepared him to what happened next. As soon as he finished reading those lines, all the books changed into dust, leaving a startled Rioth on the place. Not knowing what he could have done next, Rioth decided to come back to his house and talk about those strange events with his parents. However, when he did reached his parents\'s house, no one was in. It was strange... At this time of the day, his parents were usually inside of the house already and - what was that little sheet of paper on the table ? Rioth took the paper and began to read :
\"Dear Son, it is with pure sadness that we are writing this letter. At this precise moment, you must be reading the legacy of our family which fell to you... It is with both pleasure and sorrow that we received the new of you entering the house of our ancestors. It is indeed a great time for you and all the remaining members of our family as you shall all rise more powerful than ever among every living creatures of Yliakum, however it is also a date of parting, as we are now on the way to the Stone Labyrinth intending to leave this world. You must understand that it is really difficult for us to do such a thing, but we also need to look back for our homeland. Our late parents also told us something that you may not have heard in your legacy... Once a generation find this legacy, the older generation has to leave this world to let it entirely to the young ones. This is something we can\'t avoid as, despite our wish to stay with you longer, we can\'t stand the wish of seeing our fellows... Don\'t worry if you don\'t know what to do, you will see that everything will come to you in time. Now, it is time to bide farewell and to wish you good luck with this heavy burden.\"
Rioth was wordless. What could he say anyway ? His parents had to be already far away at this precise moment. Somehow, he was not feeling as sad as he had expected. He knew that the day would come when he would also leave Yliakum and that he would see his parents again not long after that. But at that moment, he had other things in his mind. It was clearly stated in the letter from his parents. He was not alone. There were more descendant from the Dragon Family in Yliakum. There were also the descendants of the soldiers of the army of the Great Alliance who had been healed thanks to the blood of some members of the Dragon Family, and who therefore were half blood. Now, dreams of great times were shaping in Rioth\'s mind as he was planning the reconstruction - no, the construction of a new Dragon order in Yliakum. And then, as his parents had predicted, the name of this new order came itself into Rioth\'s mind... Soon, The Dragon Council would be as powerful as the ancient Dragon Family and even more...
That?s it for the background of the guild.
I should also add that our guild\'s main goal is to become one of Planeshift\'s Pillar of Support. That is to say, building a guild important enough that could both hold it\'s own beliefs and spread it throughout all Yliakum, but that also could be, in a way, a kind of guardian of Yliakum.
Well I think that?s mostly it. Don?t really think about anything else that I should put here? Well anyway, you can go and check our guild?s website if you are really interested : http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/, you can also ask more questions in our forums.
Also just to make sure? I?m posting here to make my guild official and to present it to other players, not necessarily to do some advertisement. Well of course if some people want to join the guild after that, ask in game, here or on our guild?s forums.
But, I also wanted to present the alliance that I have developed, so that other guilds could join it if they want to. We have an alliance system that allows as many allies as possible to join us. This alliance\'s name is The Brotherhood of the Dragons. It is a system divided into three sub alliances. Trade and economic matters, military matters, and knowledge matters. If you are interested, get in touch with me in game, or ask about it on my guild?s forums.
Hope this will be enough for those who wanted to learn more about us. Anyway, hope to see you all in game, and may the Dragon Lord enlighten your path to all !
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* claps *
Well done kiddo, well done. Overall, I like it, very much I can say. And it sure brings me some good old memories. * thinks at Golden Dragon Clan *
What can I say more, be careful who you recruit for your guild, and take care my friend. You\'ve got a lot more to do, but you have what others don\'t, a strong start. Congrats for this.
Keep up the good work! :)
Annah.
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All very very good and all but I demand you list the titles of ranks....erm...please?
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Well, I planned to do it, but... It would have been a very long post if I had put all the guild ranks... Anyway as you asked for it, here are the main ranks of the guild (that is the nine you can see in game) :
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Dragon Friend
Dragon Sibling
Dragon Spirit
Dragon Chaser
Dragon Raiser
Dragon Trainer
Dragon Knight
Dragon Master
Dragon Lord (me)
If this is not enough please check my guild\'s website where you will find all the extra information you could be looking for (url:http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/).
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You do know Dragons will ahve no place in PS correct,
sorry to sound like i\'m schopping your legs off, its just a common known fact, so you may want to consider that
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*coughs*
Did I ever say that Dragons ever went in Yliakum ?
Anyway, I do know that there won\'t be Dragons in PS, and I never intended to change that in any way (not that I could have changed it...)
So, thanks for your advice, but I have already considered this and it won\'t change anything to my guild :)
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*Phinehas falls to his knees, crying out.\"
No! No! Why do you insist on dragging in things that have no place in PS? Why? Why? I understand that you can find \"logical\" arguments, such as \"The guild members heard about it from others who came through a portal from a planet that had dragons,\" but why? Isn\'t the PS history and background rich enough that it doesn\'t need the addition of overused names? Whyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?
Other than that, you seem to have your head on straight. I didn\'t actually bother reading anything except for the ranks, but just by the general large amount of information I can see you planned well.
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Originally scrawled by Phinehas
Isn\'t the PS history and background rich enough that it doesn\'t need the addition of overused names?
Actually...no. Yliakum has a semi-rich history, the races are lacking.
Originally scrawled by Phinehas
I didn\'t actually bother reading anything except for the ranks...
I did. :D Nice work. Though I hope the whole jumping from the back of a high flying \'thing\' uninjured is pure legend. And anytime I go ingame (though my lag is so bad I can\'t actualy play ;( ) I see a few DC around. As long as your members know there is no dragons in PS, I see it as fine.
*helps Phin off the ground*
Come now, I\'ll buy you a drink at Kada\'s and tell you all about my moon.
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*Gets up off the ground and hobbles off with Under, muttering and grumbling the whole way.*
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Well, well I have heard the history a while ago In game. I cant say that I am for having things like dragons (which aint in PS) as your guilds base. But at least you did it right, so I aint complainin\' bout it.
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*shrugs*
Agree somewhat that using the name dragon in a game without dragons is a bit iffy, but to say Planeshift has enough story to it yet to exclude things like that is even more iffy seeing mostly the story goes about the gods and not much more so unless you want us to have illusions of grandure I think it\'s a nice addition to the story of PS. You can go to far with wanting to be original with everything you know ;)
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Whyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?
Just why not ?
Originally posted by Phinehas
*Phinehas falls to his knees, crying out.\"
Oh, and I do hope you didn\'t hurt yourself Phinehas, it looked quite painful... ;)
Originally posted by Under the moon
Though I hope the whole jumping from the back of a high flying \'thing\' uninjured is pure legend.
Ah, you see ? As I said in my guild\'s background, people keep thinking about it as a legend ;) Anyway, why do you hope it would be pure legend ? After all, the former Dragon Lord was an incredible warlord, and he was able to cast incredible spells, so landing uninjured from such a height and being able to cast something flying isn\'t impossible for him... Unless... Don\'t tell me you thought he had summoned a Dragon ? :D
Originally posted by Pestilence
Agree somewhat that using the name dragon in a game without dragons is a bit iffy
I know, but you see, the legacy of the Dragon Family is just like this, even if Rioth has never seen a real Dragon, he can\'t help it... It just came into his mind all alone ;)
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Personally I would rather like to see that what we have got being made more detailed than using things that wont be anyways.
Like what the Forest guardians for example did. But it\'s just my opinion
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This looks reasonable even the fact about dragons not being in PS, won\'t stop you. So many ways to RP that fact into your storyline...good luck and congradulations on stepping into the \"Guild World\".
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Very nice indeed. Seems like a complete and thoughtout guild. I hope you make the right choises and live amongst the greats.
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Originally posted by druke
You do know Dragons will ahve no place in PS correct,
So? You do know Dragons will have no place in real life correct? They\'re \'myth and fiction\'. Same could happen for PS. There could be MANY myths made up in this second reality, many stories. And if there are no myths, then what\'s the fun in that?
I can see something at least similar to a dragon being a myth in PS. To me, the idea of a dragon is very common. If you look at the history of our world, the Europeans and the Chinese both came up with the thought of dragons. Two different cultures on the other side of the world....so why not PS? Yes, maybe the name itself could be different, but the idea is so universal.
That\'s my opinion anyway.
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Druke: \"You do know Dragons will ahve no place in PS correct,\"
Aiselyn: \"So? You do know Dragons will have no place in real life correct?\"
Point, Aiselyn. Druke, zero. :P
Come now, quit bothering Rioth about the dragons. He knows there are none, you know there are none, I know there are none. But the name is done, the guild is made, and he will not change it, nor should he. Leave off and see the guild for what it is.
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Wow I like what has been done so far. You seem to be quite organized. Your site is simple but nice. The font at the top is somewhat hard to read but all and all you are doing a good job. Good luck in this realm.
PS.. and I personally love dragons and think they should be in every game :).
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Originally posted by Aiselyn
To me, the idea of a dragon is very common.
Thanks for arguing against yourself. I rest my case.
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Originally posted by Phinehas
I rest my case.
Well considering likings and colors are unquestionable, I guess you rest yours. However our little discussion about Dragons won\'t have any effects on Planeshift anyway, so why not stopping arguing uselessly about it now ?
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I have. I proved my point. If you continue on in your path, that\'s your problem. I\'ve done what I came here to do.
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I wouldn\'t say that you have when you say that :
Originally posted by Phinehas
Originally posted by Aiselyn
To me, the idea of a dragon is very common.
Thanks for arguing against yourself.
And anyway, you didn\'t proved your point.
Because if one follows your point, then Dwarves, who are very common too, have no place in this PS. That\'s just non sense.
Dwarves are in this game and that\'s all, Dragons are not in this game, that\'s all too. Those are the choices of the devs, not ours. There is no point into arguing about something like that.
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Point to Rioth, Phinehas 0
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Originally posted by Rioth
I wouldn\'t say that you have when you say that :
Originally posted by Phinehas
Originally posted by Aiselyn
To me, the idea of a dragon is very common.
Thanks for arguing against yourself.
And anyway, you didn\'t proved your point.
Because if one follows your point, then Dwarves, who are very common too, have no place in this PS. That\'s just non sense.
Dwarves are in this game and that\'s all, Dragons are not in this game, that\'s all too. Those are the choices of the devs, not ours. There is no point into arguing about something like that.
Actually, no. The devs did choose to add in dwarves and elves. That\'s up to them, I agree. I\'m not saying I agree with their decision to do it, but they made their decision. The end.
However, adding dragons is something different. Using the argument that the devs did something so that makes it ok for you to expand in that direction beyond their desire is wrong. Twisting your logic isn\'t going to help you. Anyways, you can\'t win this argument, so I suggest you take your own suggestion and let it drop. I told you that I\'ve made my point and that\'s all I care about. I wish you luck with your guild for the rest.
@Pestilence: Your point giving is severely lacking. Technically, I would have first received a point for my statement, and another for this one. If not, then it\'s only fair to award the whole argument to one person or another. ;)
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Originally posted by Phinehas
Originally posted by Aiselyn
To me, the idea of a dragon is very common.
Thanks for arguing against yourself. I rest my case.
You obviously missed my whole point completely then.
Dragons have no PHYSICAL place in life. They\'re myth. It doesn\'t mean the idea is not around. The idea is obviously around if we\'re arguing about it :P
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Originally posted by Phinehas
However, adding dragons is something different. Using the argument that the devs did something so that makes it ok for you to expand in that direction beyond their desire is wrong. Twisting your logic isn\'t going to help you. Anyways, you can\'t win this argument, so I suggest you take your own suggestion and let it drop. I told you that I\'ve made my point and that\'s all I care about. I wish you luck with your guild for the rest.
I never twisted my logic. The fact that the devs decided not to put Dragons is their choice, I respect it and I\'m not saying we should have Dragons in PS because there are dwarves. And anyway, may I remind you that I was in fact showing you that it was your logic which was... illogical. And it seems you agree because you see that the fact that Dragons are common won\'t make them be present in PS.
Oh, and I also read on Planeshift website an overview which was saying that players would be able to interact with the world as much as possible, so I don\'t see why I couldn\'t bring a legend reffering to Dragons.
And again, may I say that as likings and colors are unquestionnable, this discussion is maybe a bit pointless because neither of us will ever change his mind.
So, let\'s end this there and,
Originally posted by Phinehas
I wish you luck with your guild for the rest.
thanks :)
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Originally posted by Rioth
And again, may I say that as likings and colors are unquestionnable, this discussion is maybe a bit pointless because neither of us will ever change his mind.
Agreed, I doubt we\'ll ever get anywhere...
...although (going slightly off topic) I do think Phinehas was a little out of line with his hostility in his last couple of posts in this thread :(
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Originally posted by Aiselyn
Originally posted by Rioth
And again, may I say that as likings and colors are unquestionnable, this discussion is maybe a bit pointless because neither of us will ever change his mind.
Agreed, I doubt we\'ll ever get anywhere...
...although (going slightly off topic) I do think Phinehas was a little out of line with his hostility in his last couple of posts in this thread :(
You would, wouldn\'t you? Look at it this way... due to my posts, you\'ve been forced to truly think through your position, now you have a much better chance at withstanding the tests of others and time, because I have prepared you.
Anyways, I was under the opinion that by posting on these forums you were opening yourselves up to comment. I have made my point about how I disagree with your idea. I didn\'t tell you to go away, and I didn\'t call the community to hate you. I just expressed an opinion. I agree with Rioth that we\'ll each have our own opinions, and that\'s not going to change. Also, Aiselyn, my posts weren\'t hostile, read through them carefully. No screaming, swearing, belittling, or general insulting that I can see.
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Sorry for yesturday\'s comment actually. I had real life circumstances that had actually put me in a horrible mood while posting yesturday. I agree with the fact that these forums are about debating ideas... and no you were not hostile anyway (only hostile to someone who had seen hostility all day :P...and my post was actually more towards you against Rioth too).
Having said that, I do hope you see my first remark in a different light now that I stressed what I really meant. :P
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Originally posted by Phinehas
You would, wouldn\'t you? Look at it this way... due to my posts, you\'ve been forced to truly think through your position, now you have a much better chance at withstanding the tests of others and time, because I have prepared you.
Well, looking at it this way ... :P
Originally posted by Phinehas
Anyways, I was under the opinion that by posting on these forums you were opening yourselves up to comment.
Of course I am :) It\'s just that I don\'t see the point in arguing endlessly about the place of Dragons in PS, while discusing about it wouldn\'t change the mind of the devs about them.
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I think just thread is more about us not understanding each other and getting our \"twords mixed up and backin talkwards\" rather than about dragons.
Think of it as a night out on the town with everyone half drunk and having a big pointless philisophical debate (kind of like what I do in the actual game!).
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Originally posted by Aiselyn
Sorry for yesturday\'s comment actually. I had real life circumstances that had actually put me in a horrible mood while posting yesturday. I agree with the fact that these forums are about debating ideas... and no you were not hostile anyway (only hostile to someone who had seen hostility all day :P...and my post was actually more towards you against Rioth too).
I suspected something like that. Don\'t worry about it.
And Aiselyn, be careful who you call drunk. :P
Rioth, you have to understand that I\'m not interested in making the devs change their minds. I\'m interested in making sure you know what you\'re doing. I don\'t agree with what you\'re doing, big deal, it\'s not my guild. The point is that I\'m making sure you\'re not just some n00b with no respect for the PS setting.
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Originally posted by Phineas
Rioth, you have to understand that I\'m not interested in making the devs change their minds. I\'m interested in making sure you know what you\'re doing. I don\'t agree with what you\'re doing, big deal, it\'s not my guild. The point is that I\'m making sure you\'re not just some n00b with no respect for the PS setting.
I\'m not interested in making the devs change their mind either, I like PS as it is, nothing more, nothing less. And I know it isn\'t the point here.
I knew even before starting my own guild that Dragons were quite an ambiguous topic. And I know that there may be many people just like you who won\'t agree with my point of view. But still, I had to try what I could, and I will do my best to achieve the most important goal of my guild, that is to make it a pillar of support of PS because PS is something I do respect.
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You know, I\'ve been thinking, just as a suggestion...wether you like it and want to use it or not is entirely up to you obviously....but here goes...
What if, instead of using the term \"Dragon\", what about making up your own name in Planeshift to replace the work Dragon. (I don\'t know what it would be exactly. Dragonius? Tefudragon? Firagon? Something else that\'s entirely unrelated to the word?)
Anyway...not only would you quiet down all of the people who disagree with the guild name, but you would also have invented a word into the game. It could become a monster even eventually, and you named it (mind you, if the devs don\'t want dragon-like creatures then it might not work...although there are rats).
The community here is not massive, so it wouldn\'t be hard to spread word about your new word and what it means.
Up to you though obviously. With the wipe coming and all, we may have to redo your guilds anyway. (Although I don\'t quite know what\'s happening with that to be honest).
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This could be a good idea :D
I will have to think about it with my guild members... We may be able to come with something out of it :)
Though I don\'t mind if those renamed beasts are added or not in the game later.
Anyway the wipe shouldn\'t really be a problem. Even if guilds are reseted (and that \"should\" not happen), we have already planned what we could do to avoid \"damages\" as much as possible.
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Tis a good idea to prepare alright ;) I think it\'ll be interesting to see what happens with the guild after the wipe. Hopefully a high survival rate.
Anyway, no matter the what you choose for the guild, best of luck. :)
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I know the DC will come back strong represented, if a wipe is done by PS.
TDC is a live and kicking Guild now with much new members like me.
We will al do our best to make TDC the best and strongest Guild.
Nice and long story you already wrote, Rioth. :)
Tarel Barilele
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aahh Tarel it\'s you ;)
*shrugs* only the beginning should be somewhat hard but as Rioth said we already been discussing what needs to be done to best get it all back. Ofcourse that was when it seemed the wipe wouldn\'t take to long and now it\'s been months so perhaps a good idea to look at them again although I doubt anything significant for rerecruiting has changed ;)
As for the name. Perhaps we will change but probably not before the wipe anyhow. Although I am promising nothing LOL ;)
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Originally posted by Pestilence
As for the name. Perhaps we will change but probably not before the wipe anyhow. Although I am promising nothing LOL ;)
We really care. ;)
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Seen the discussion about the dragon in the name? I wouldn\'t care if I weren\'t in it but aparently some do Phinehas ;)
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Obviously the Guild leader has this well thought out and I would like to join The Dragon Council as I believe it\'s going places. If I\'m accepted I\'ll start as soon as my download of the newest version of PS is done. By the way, if the Guild leader needs to know I am a Klyros.
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If you want to join talk to a Dragon Council member when inside the game. There are many of use so not to often noone is online. We accept anyone who has shown he can handle the first steps of the game and who agree to hold the interest of the guild high.
Have a look at our website aswell if you have the time :)
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what is your website?
EDIT: nvm, i found it on a previous page
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*grins*
Indeed :)
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Originally posted by Keladon
Obviously the Guild leader has this well thought out and I would like to join The Dragon Council as I believe it\'s going places. If I\'m accepted I\'ll start as soon as my download of the newest version of PS is done. By the way, if the Guild leader needs to know I am a Klyros.
Wow....
Just....wow.
I think I\'m going go rofl somewhere so if you would excuse me...
*walks off*
Discalmer: I had to, looked on the thread and I hadn\'t offended this guild yet. :)
So please don\'t pm me, I\'m sick of pms from ppl telling me I\'m mean. I know I\'m mean and I\'m an ass, no need to inform me. :)
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no PMs ? ok, you\'re mean and you\'re an ass, that said, I was about to think you would join that guild as you hadnt flame, be careful to flame regularly, or ppl could misunderstand you :P
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Originally posted by Efflixi Aduro
So please don\'t pm me, I\'m sick of pms from ppl telling me I\'m mean. I know I\'m mean and I\'m an ass, no need to inform me. :)
What about if I tell you you suck at being an ass? 8)
Dude, people really PM you though? Haha.
To not be totally off-topic, this is one of the few guilds I actually like.
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bleh.....
Dragon council......
Know the name Jimmik for it shall be your downfall. I have recently become a member in training for the Dark Empire. As they have no opinion one way or the other for your pathetic guild i had to make it clear that this was a personal vendetta. I am sure most of you have seen me in the game already as every member of this guild has words for me. Just wanted to clear that up and we will meet later i am sure.
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I am sure that the DE is very happy to have you with them. I am not a person to tell you what to do but having members freelancing in a way with personnal vendettas is unstabling. And whats wrong with the Dragon Council.. they are good guys :D .
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And whats wrong with the Dragon Council.. they are good guys .
Thats doesnt really help at all in my eyes. And the guilds pompus attitude was the seed for my wrath. Now i just enjoy messing with you. I will no longer spam your thread but i just wanted to answer your question.
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I wasnt telling you to stop. There is next to no feuds going on right now.
/me takes my seat and silently watches...
ohh.... with his popcorn :)
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though i can understand why you hate, but taking them down would be a challenge, see, then Twin Blades of Arete when to war with TDC, we had a hard time taking down their members, then later, while we were fighing on raw skills, we learned that TDC was using the potion to temporarily increase their HP... You see, TDC has a big head, and they THINK that they cannot fall from any fight cuz their sooooo powerful and all so they had to resort in enhancing themselves.. specialy their leader. Rioth...
If this insults some TDC, since some of your are friends, im sory, but it\'s the truth. for those who don\'t know me.. err.. I don\'t really care about you :P but this is what I think of TDC AFTER the war...
plus, while TDC was using all these potions, TBoA used none (well, I used one cuz one TDC member droped it, so i wanted to know what it was.. so I drank it... then I knew they where using it)
Though I have to give Rioth some credit because he told me he was using it, he was honest though :)
*after making his speach, Karsier looks at Valbrandr and tackles him to the ground and runs away with his popcorn :P*
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Again i must add the Dark Empire is not involved with this fued. I gave my allegance to them and they permitted me continue in my own personal fued .
This is Jimmik vs. Dragon council
Not DE vs. DC
And i will succeed by my self where whole guilds have failed.
*Jimmik sits in the shadows*
*sharpens his blades with a grin*
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
I wasnt telling you to stop. There is next to no feuds going on right now.
/me takes my seat and silently watches...
ohh.... with his popcorn :)
I resent that. I\'ve been feuding with the AO for at least year now...
Karsier, you seem to see the drinking of potions as cowardly. I see it as intelligent. After all, no one says \"Hey, you were using weapons! We were just using our fists! No fair!\" Why are potions any different? In that sense they have the same purpose as weapons, to give one an advantage over others.
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it takes away the very essence of skill, of training! sure, lets all use potions in the war, hell, I can start a new account right now and let my guild mambers give that character some potions and that character will be unbeatable! Think about it, yea, it\'s being smart, but come on! even if my guild knew about those stupid potions, we didn\'t take a single drop, if you train and got you hp at 200, then take thos potions to raise it to 300, you think thats fair? while your enemy fights with pure skill? mind you TDC has such a high reputation, and they resort to this? they can easily beat us with numbers, and they use these potions? whats the use of training then? they are unlike the weapons we use, nor the fist, when we use them there are SKILLS INVOLVED?
So this is it? the \"good\" ones enhances themselves with these potions dramaticaly while the \"evil\" ones fight with honor? relying purely on their skill?
When we started the war with TDC, all we had was tactices, strategies thats what all we had. TDC on the other hand.. had potions... I ask you. you call that a war? it\'s stupid really if you think about it carefully...
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Actually no, it\'s not, if you think about it. Potions exist. Why not use them? They exist for the sole purpose of enhancing one\'s ability to do battle. Why not take advantage of that? I do see your point, but it\'s a point made in a mistaken understanding of the nature of potions. They are not dishonorable in any way, no more than magic or weapons, as I pointed out before. If the skill to use a weapon is considered honorable, why not the intelligence to use a potion?
OOC: Just because you didn\'t know that potions exist, doesn\'t make them a cheat or a hack.
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Not saying anything about TDC, but I always thought those potions were crap. I didnt know about them for a long time as well. I got beat in some duels and whatnot. What is the point? I chose a hammerweilder for defense and life. And I fight enkis who have more life than me... Okay, you could say \"You could have both used them\" and that is true. But I dont fight that way. Not that it is really dirty but I would rather win fair and square. Maybe its just me. Especially if I had the numbers *Cough* 85.. to under 20. TBA really wouldnt have a chance anyway. No need for the overkill. Is a little funny how the evil guild was fighting with honor though.
Edit: And Karsier, dont listen to Phinehas, he doesnt know anything about honor, hes a mage :D .
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
Is a little funny how the evil guild was fighting with honor though.
Not if it\'s lawful evil. They have some kind of sense of honour.
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hey.. I know TDC outnumbers us. but never underestimate TBoA. :) even if we knew about the potions, we did NOT use it, not one of my members, I told you, we didn\'t consider is a cheat/hack, no, but we refuse to use it, we depend on skills, not potions. I mean, what is TDC so araid of? we\'re new, we\'re evil, and we\'re little in numbers, so why the potions? in the case of war, do you really think the essence of war is there when you fight with potions against skill? hell, if we had a war potions vs skills, we can have a war with the newest player who will join PS!!! boosts his STR and END and send him to war! kinda making a mockery don\'t it? think of it this way, you trained so hard, wasted your time to prepare for a war, while rioth is inactive, then, he logs on, he accepts war, his members help him get money, then he buys some potions, drinks it, get all pumped up, kinda like taking 100 steroinds... then accepts the war.. kinda sucks doesnt it? I train hard to kill rioth.. then he takes loads of potions...
Thing here, we almost never found out, I only found out when I almost killed Rioth even though he was using potion, but he ran to a safe zone, then I noticed he was healing WAYYY to slow, so I confronted him, and he confessed. This is why I\'m so pissed with these potions, we went to war to tests our skills, and the potions kinda ruin stuff a bit don\'t you think?
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You dont have to state your case here Karsier, I agree with you on most of it. But with Rioth inactive right now.. not much you can argue with other than Pestilence. However, I would like to know what kind of tactics you guys use. I havent figured out much yet for battle tactics with duels still a little awkward.
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I find it cowardless to attack the DC and Rioth now,
that he is away.
You know he is on vacation for some weeks now and
that he cant he online to defend him self, so i find .
I can personally state, that i did not use potions when
the war was on.
And from other members i dont know.
I like fair fighting.
But also on the other side, if some have used potions,
it\'s they\'re choice and right.
If it was not allowed DC and TBoA would have make an agreement about it.
And this was not done, for as far as i know.
I dont dislike you anyway. The war was war and now it\'s over.
Afterwards it is always easy talking, that the other side
did not play fair.
It\'s my opion you talk to Rioth about it, instead of
spamming this forum with hate-messages against
DC.
I could talk about Shalmaneser, Hirato, Ralas too.
A Vice-leader who betrays you, when you were in war
with TDC.
And even a member of you, who changes name,
because he offended Haggnah (a friend of you).
To prove i know who it is. Rakna became Tronta.
Is this loyalty in you\'re Guild, Karsier?
Greetings,
Tarel Barilele
Dragon Master
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Originally posted by gladiator76
I find it cowardless to attack the DC and Rioth now,
that he is away.
You know he is on vacation for some weeks now and
that he cant he online to defend him self, so i find .
If you read Karsier\'s post it says he wasn\'t attacking Rioth because he admitted to using the potions. And BTW there are atleast 162 other DC members that can defend the guild. Don\'t leave all the responsibilty to the leader.
Maybe next time your guilds should establish some basic rules before having a war.
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It amuses me that you warrior-types are so foolish as to consider the skill to wield a sword more honorable than the intelligence to drink a potion.
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Jimmyknife is an Aspirant of the Dark Empire. This means he\'s not a full-fledged member, he\'s a potential member under probation.
Since he is an Aspirant, it\'s supposed that he uses his own judgement. This way we\'ll understand if his ways conflict or not with ours.
Being this bold doesn\'t help him much, it shows he lacks discretion, but I did told him he could pursue his personal feuds.
And Valbrandr, as her Magesty once said \"I don\'t want my members do be brainless zombies.\" If Jimmy wishes to keep the Dragon Council as his enemy while trying to become a full-fledged member, that\'s his choice.
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Gladiator76:
First, I was NOT attacking TDC, i was just telling Jimmyknife that it would be hard for him to take down TDC due to the potions, read AGAIN if your having trouble understanding me. We were not been able to made an agreement about this because RIOTH DID NOT TELL ME ABOUT THE POTIONS, I had to find out myself.
and please, don\'t talk as if you know my guild, you know nothing! Shal left because the ROE was keeping him from killing TDC, you were all in safe zones while we ran as your bait so we can drag you guys out! Hirato left cuz shal was his \"friend\" plus he\'s a moron (check our forums to see) Ralas was in TBoA to avenge his friend from TDC, he left shortly before the war. About Rakna, changing his name has no effect on TBoA, HE IS STILL IN TBoA!!!! he feels he has a price on his head so he changed name, but he is still a TBoA.
So please, if you don\'t know what the hell your talking about concerning my Guild, better shut your mouth.
and I wasnt attacking Rioth, in fact, I was showing how I respect him because he confessed to me, he didn\'t deny using the potions, he didn\'t deny he raised his HP up tp 300 on duels
EDIT: BTW, hirato and ralas was NOT my vice leader, only Shal.
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Thank you for the advise Karsier but i think i am going to lay low for a bit.
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Wow, between Gladiator76 and Karsier, this is becoming really pathetic... Now all we need is someone to come in and shout \"You\'re not the boss of me!\".
Seriously people, why do you even care what others think? Karsier, are you trying to impress Gladiator76? If not, why even bother explaining yourself to him? Gladiator76 do you really care what Karsier thinks of your guild? If not, why attack him?
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Phinehas in a Mediator role.... Weird.
/me stops drinking his ale because of the mild hallucinations :D .
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Phinehas, Im not impresing anyone, specialy not a TDC... Gladiator76\'s last statement about my guild was wrong and it insults me, so I explained it to him, I didn\'t know that was impressing him. -_-
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Wow... that \"war\" is still having fallout?... Guess I need to read this area of the forums more often... :P
If feel the need to point out the one thing about potions no one has done: Potions last till logout. This is widely exploitable. Rioth could buff up with potions, and just stay on forever, but I crash every once in a while. (I get the mem leaks bad... probably because I don\'t have enough RAM. Stupid laptop...) This sort of exploit was something I did not foresee, and I did not put it in the R.O.E. (I wrote the thing...) Though unfortunately, I don\'t see how one would enforce it.
As far as I\'m concerned, the war was botched... Shal screwed the whole thing up. TDC killed me a few times, I killed some of them a few times... whatever... If TDC ever wants to do another friendly war (without the potions, which I can\'t use) so be it. I have many friends in TDC, and would quite like to fight them in friendly competition.
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Originally posted by Karsier
Phinehas, Im not impresing anyone, specialy not a TDC... Gladiator76\'s last statement about my guild was wrong and it insults me, so I explained it to him, I didn\'t know that was impressing him. -_-
Oh come now, don\'t play dumb. Perhaps \"impressing\" isn\'t the right word, but I\'m sure it was fairly easy to see that what I meant was, why do you even care if he insults your guild? What does it matter? How does his opinion affect you? Let him think what he wants, if he\'s mistaken, it\'s his loss, not yours.
And Valb, what\'s all this as me in a mediator role?
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I lie to clear things up, didn\'t know that was so bad... how bout you, if I insult your guild, your not gonna do anything? maybe thats the way you handle things, but not me.
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Lets not get DCs thread closed will Rioth is away. Lets stay on track instead of getting to personally involved.
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Originally posted by Karsier
I lie to clear things up, didn\'t know that was so bad...
it is bad to lie... just joking
come on, whats the point in continuing this?
1. you have learnt from the war, that you gotta agree on rules before starting them.
2. your just messing poor Rioths guild thread up -.-
now go on with your lives... not a command, but an advice
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Originally posted by Karsier
I lie to clear things up, didn\'t know that was so bad... how bout you, if I insult your guild, your not gonna do anything? maybe thats the way you handle things, but not me.
Of course, because I\'m secure and confident in myself and my guild(if I had one), and you\'re obviously not.
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oops, that was a typo, i mean LIKE... i need to train my keyboard skills...
plus I agree with Kiramon, let\'s not mess things up for Rioth, I admit on going overboard, and I apologize TDC. now lets get on with our lives, cuz this is getting worthless..
EDIT: Like I said, It\'s better to keep things cleared other than leaving an insult in the air. Show me a leader that will let an insulf fly about his/her guild, show me members of a guild that won\'t react when their guild is insulted, even if you DO have confident in your guild, it is only fiting to correct any mistake/insult made to your guild, it\'s like, when I insult your guild, I insult you, and you just let it fly.. BTW, LETS STOP, this is non TDC topic already.. jesus christ... lets end this for Rioth\'s sake..
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ppff can\'t even be away for a long weekend ;)
K about the potions as Phinehas said I don\'t see anything wrong about potions. They are just a part of a good preparation for a war. People had been gathering money and we used guildfunds to buy potions and hand them out.
BUT we used them mostly with our WEAKER members. To make sure they weren\'t helpless. Yes Rioth used some aswell becuase as guildleader we expected him to be the one with a bullseye painted on himself, but I didn\'t use a single one and Karsier will agree that even four against one I was still killing them and not the other way around this becuase of my skill .
Now Karsier you were a good enemy and you knew from the beginning we outnumbered you. We even weren\'t sure if we wanted to war BECUASE we did. You challenged us and said nothing about not wanting to use potions.
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This is why I cannot wait till the wipe. So many people cheated to power their character up. Many have completely maxed characters and not because they had skill.. they heard about the broken quest in Oja. Getting the Falka or course for 12, 500. And you can do it with each character too.
This will make everythinga little more fair. I am not calling Meriner a cheater btw... I Know quite a few maxed characters who definatly cheated but have no idea if Meriner did.
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Gladiator76:
First, I was NOT attacking TDC, i was just telling Jimmyknife that it would be hard for him to take down TDC due to the potions, read AGAIN if your having trouble understanding me. We were not been able to made an agreement about this because RIOTH DID NOT TELL ME ABOUT THE POTIONS, I had to find out myself.
and please, don\'t talk as if you know my guild, you know nothing! Shal left because the ROE was keeping him from killing TDC, you were all in safe zones while we ran as your bait so we can drag you guys out! Hirato left cuz shal was his \"friend\" plus he\'s a moron (check our forums to see) Ralas was in TBoA to avenge his friend from TDC, he left shortly before the war. About Rakna, changing his name has no effect on TBoA, HE IS STILL IN TBoA!!!! he feels he has a price on his head so he changed name, but he is still a TBoA.
So please, if you don\'t know what the hell your talking about concerning my Guild, better shut your mouth.
and I wasnt attacking Rioth, in fact, I was showing how I respect him because he confessed to me, he didn\'t deny using the potions, he didn\'t deny he raised his HP up tp 300 on duels
EDIT: BTW, hirato and ralas was NOT my vice leader, only Shal.
Hi Karsier,
I know Shall was the vice-leader, and not Hirato and Ralas.
I am sorry that i misunderstood you\'re message in Forum.
I like to appologize, for i was to quick with my judgement.
The message sounded if you were insulting TDC.
And since Rioth is on vacation and Meriner has not responded in here, i found it was time that i react in here. Every good member should do this when it sounds like the Guild was insulted.
After the ending of war, i met some good friends in TBoA.
And i dont have a thing about TBoA too.
So hope we can all leave this behind us.
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Originally posted by gladiator76
Gladiator76:
First, I was NOT attacking TDC, i was just telling Jimmyknife that it would be hard for him to take down TDC due to the potions, read AGAIN if your having trouble understanding me. We were not been able to made an agreement about this because RIOTH DID NOT TELL ME ABOUT THE POTIONS, I had to find out myself.
and please, don\'t talk as if you know my guild, you know nothing! Shal left because the ROE was keeping him from killing TDC, you were all in safe zones while we ran as your bait so we can drag you guys out! Hirato left cuz shal was his \"friend\" plus he\'s a moron (check our forums to see) Ralas was in TBoA to avenge his friend from TDC, he left shortly before the war. About Rakna, changing his name has no effect on TBoA, HE IS STILL IN TBoA!!!! he feels he has a price on his head so he changed name, but he is still a TBoA.
So please, if you don\'t know what the hell your talking about concerning my Guild, better shut your mouth.
and I wasnt attacking Rioth, in fact, I was showing how I respect him because he confessed to me, he didn\'t deny using the potions, he didn\'t deny he raised his HP up tp 300 on duels
EDIT: BTW, hirato and ralas was NOT my vice leader, only Shal.
Hi Karsier,
I know Shall was the vice-leader, and not Hirato and Ralas.
I am sorry that i misunderstood you\'re message in Forum.
I like to appologize, for i was to quick with my judgement.
The message sounded if you were insulting TDC.
And since Rioth is on vacation and Meriner has not responded in here, i found it was time that i react in here. Every good member should do this when it sounds like the Guild was insulted.
After the ending of war, i met some good friends in TBoA.
And i dont have a thing about TBoA too.
So hope we can all leave this behind us.
Very noble. I applaude you, sir.
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cheated? LOL don\'t think so :) I got up by training three stat points per day for months. Absolutely boring tefusang hunting while tell talking with people to pass the time. Lots of great people to talk with glad to say.
I did get some money before I joined the DC from being a mercenary and once I was a bodyguard for a day and got money from that aswell and a tournament I won things like that, but nothing more then 5 stat points worth I asure you ;)
1000 tria per statpoint at the end really drains your money :P
As I said many times I am always broke as I always spend my money as soon as I get it ;)
I only maxed three weeks or so ago. believe I was still 145 agility when we had the war or perhaps even 140 not sure.
And only maxed the fighting stats the mages don\'t have to worry one bit ;)
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If you are telling the truth.. then that is quite noble of you and I respect you for that :). But im sure you know too many people who did cheat. I know entire guilds who cheated. Thats why I cant wait for the wipe that will give everyone a chance to redeem themselves :).
PS: Too bad for you Meriner. Putting all that work into your character and having it all taken away :(.
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hmm I know. Don\'t know if I will be playing after the sweep.
Not like I used to play to level up anyhow. It was just something I did becuase I was talking most of the time with a few clicks in between ;)
Plus I had some luck with the times I got on. If you get the three weak tefusang in the arena or four of the ones in the valley all to yourself and you really concentrate on killing you\'ll be amazed how much more you make.
And yes know people who did cheat and really hated the fact that they were in the top fives while they didn\'t work for it, but don\'t care much anymore ;)
PS: IF I am telling the truth?? Would like it if you would atleast have some proof before implying I am cheating and lying thank you very much.
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I sure hope you will be around Meriner. It would be lonely without you . :]
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Well hear the wipe will be next update. Will see then.
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PS is updating at the moment.
Hope PS will be soon online again.
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fingers crossed
PS: Got my second red star :D
Does say tripple for some reason though ;)
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Originally posted by DaveG Shal screwed the whole thing up.
On the contrary, everything went according to plan....
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I\'ve made up my mind. And im sticking with the dragon council. The reason why I want to join is to get familuar with the game. Make some friends in the game. And get stronger. You can find me ingame (Etahe Forag).
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Originally posted by Shasta Soda
I\'ve made up my mind. And im sticking with the dragon council. The reason why I want to join is to get familuar with the game. Make some friends in the game. And get stronger. You can find me ingame (Etahe Forag).
How will being in the dragon guild help you achieve those goals?
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Originally posted by zanzibar
How will being in the dragon guild help you achieve those goals?
Quite simply because we take care of our own, zanzibar. It\'s much easier to learn and progress in this game with the help of fellow players. A number of stronger warriors assisted me heavily in my development _before_ I joined the DC. One of these gracious people was even from another guild!
They continue to assist me--and I\'ve found a strong sense of brotherhood in the Guild. Is it for everybody? Of course not! But I\'m very greatful to the devs for enabling and allowing the guild concept because I think it will add depth and strength to the game overall.
Joy and Peace,
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Originally posted by Shasta Soda I\'ve made up my mind. And im sticking with the dragon council. The reason why I want to join is to get familuar with the game. Make some friends in the game. And get stronger. You can find me ingame (Etahe Forag).
Hmm..Shasta. Did your main character not join Atrox Interficio not long ago? I am sorry but AI does not permit alts in other guilds, especially good ones.
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*shrug* The only thing Dragon Council members have done for me is steal my kills using arrow.
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hmm yeah and tottally unprovoked aswell LOL ;). Strange how you never mention the rest Shal ;)
And it\'s members now? *shakes his head* How a fly became an elephant. Good thing it\'s your fly Shal. Wouldn\'t want it sit on me when it turned into an elephant ;)
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Originally posted by Pestilence
hmm yeah and tottally unprovoked aswell LOL ;). Strange how you never mention the rest Shal ;)
And it\'s members now? *shakes his head* How a fly became an elephant. Good thing it\'s your fly Shal. Wouldn\'t want it sit on me when it turned into an elephant ;)
It was unprovoked, there were many instances over a long period of time, and there were multiple Dragon Council Members involved.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by DaveG Shal screwed the whole thing up.
On the contrary, everything went according to plan....
We know the war was your idea Shal, and that you do not like us for some reason. So this is a continuance of your campaign against us, and is merely slurs and omissions of the whole truth. We may not be saints, but we do not steal kills. I recall several occasions when you would \"own\" the entire Teffy Valley or the arena, stealing Tefs from anyone there. For you to blame us of stealing kills is merely an attempt to besmirch our reputation for some purpose of your own, and in my opinion laughable.
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Originally posted by Bodacher
Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by DaveG Shal screwed the whole thing up.
On the contrary, everything went according to plan....
We know the war was your idea Shal, and that you do not like us for some reason. So this is a continuance of your campaign against us, and is merely slurs and omissions of the whole truth. We may not be saints, but we do not steal kills. I recall several occasions when you would \"own\" the entire Teffy Valley or the arena, stealing Tefs from anyone there. For you to blame us of stealing kills is merely an attempt to besmirch our reputation for some purpose of your own, and in my opinion laughable.
1. While you (and Meriner as well) were never culprits, there were a number of Dragon Council Members who were kill stealing on a regular basis, and not just from me. Further, I never monopolized the tefu valley -- now you\'re just making stuff up.
You might not like that some of your members are in ill regard, and you shouldn\'t. I don\'t blame you and Meriner however, since it is a large guild and much of it is beyond your control or vision.
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I wish you good luck in Guild Knights,
Shalmaneser.
I heard Guild Knights is a anti-DC guild.
There many anti-DC propaganda told by
Guild Knights.
So think we will hear of you soon.
How did you manage to be 24 hours a day playing?
And maxing out so high, that you deal big damage.
Almost insane damage, compared to me and
other players in PS.
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Well seem the guildknights aren\'t anti DC afterall.
Wonder if Shal will remain with them now LOL ;)
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yay im the 100th poster, :D
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YAY I have 242 posts now ^^
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Come on, what was the meaning of that post?
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uhm well guess he is glad to be the one to make post one hundred. Perhaps the number has a special meaning to him ;)
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Hey! I also made by post because I like the munber, and look u made it change.. It\'s 243 now :(
bahh, working to get on 424 now ^^
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Wow so much spam. *closes his eyes and takes a deep breath* Yup, just like the old days. I love it. :)
Now I will attempt to bring this back on topic.
Ahem
Hows the guild going? And didnt you guys change your name?
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The guild is doing just fine. We are currently working on some matters related to the organisation of our guild. We havn\'t changed our guild name yet, and unless devloppers tell us that we HAVE to change our guild name we won\'t do so.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Well seem the guildknights aren\'t anti DC afterall.
Wonder if Shal will remain with them now LOL ;)
shalmaneser left the guild voluntairy,
now he knows they dont follow his actions
to get war with DC.
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As I thought ;)
As to the namechange. We did discus it but everyone knows us as is and we couldn\'t think of an easy namechange and still keep the same theme in the guild.
This would mean we would have to change the theme aswell and this would be unfair to the members who chose to be a member partly becuase of it.
So aslong as we have permition to use it we deicded not to change.
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Meh. I don\'t see a single reason to change the Guild name, myself. The whole arguement over Dragons was just plain stupid in my opinion. If anyone has a problem with it, just let them know that we\'re one of those strange groups who carry equally strange myths and oral legends from way back when.
Is it set in stone that we\'ll have to resubmit the guild after the second wipe? I thought they were going to try to keep that type of important information.
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Shalmaneser rejoined the Guild Knights,
after Sindar left the Guild Knights.
But after many complaints about Shalmaneser
reached Sirunie, Sirunie decided to kick out
Shalmaneser for good.
And Sindar is happy now in the Dragon Council.
Sindar is more at his place now and doing
good things for the Dragon Council.
Wish the Gm would ban Shalmaneser out of PS.
Playing would be even more fun then.
But if Shalmaneser will continue his path on
harrassing DC-members, he will get banned
eventually, because we report all of him directly
to the Gm\'s
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Our Guild is Rising again.
We already have about 35 members active in our
Guild.
And they are all playing much ingame too.
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As I am leaving Planeshift I am also no longer second in command of DC. Although I shall remain DC in my heart forever I think ;)
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Originally posted by Pestilence
As I am leaving Planeshift I am also no longer second in command of DC. Although I shall remain DC in my heart forever I think ;)
Sorry to see you leave Meriner.
I am full 2nd in command now.
past months i was 2nd in command together with
Meriner.
Hope i will do as good as together with Meriner.
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There is a new DHM assigned by Rioth.
Ganinos is DHM now.
Ganinos is responsible for the diplomatic things in our Guild.
He will keep up diplomatic relations with other Guilds,
who like to have diplomatic relations with us.
Ganinos is responsible for reqruiting new members too.
I resigned as DHM, because Rioth has other things in mind for me to do.
If there are complaints about members ingame from DC,
you can contact Rioth, me or Meriner in our forums or ingame.
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Originally posted by gladiator76
Shalmaneser rejoined the Guild Knights,
after Sindar left the Guild Knights.
But after many complaints about Shalmaneser
reached Sirunie, Sirunie decided to kick out
Shalmaneser for good.
And Sindar is happy now in the Dragon Council.
Sindar is more at his place now and doing
good things for the Dragon Council.
Wish the Gm would ban Shalmaneser out of PS.
Playing would be even more fun then.
But if Shalmaneser will continue his path on
harrassing DC-members, he will get banned
eventually, because we report all of him directly
to the Gm\'s
*sigh*
Sindar, during his time in guild knights, caused a lot of trouble. A few people, including myself, actually left the guild knights because we were fed up with his immaturity. He was picking fights, insulting people, and being a pest. I\'m really surprised that he got into the dragon council given his reputation among those who spent time with him.
That said, he is still on good terms with Sirunie, so he can\'t be all bad.
Now, for me harrassing DC members? Everything I\'ve accused people like Esserfin and Aucicies of is true. Everything else I\'ve said in connection to the Dragon Council is also true, in my book.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
I\'m really surprised that he got into the dragon council given his reputation among those who spent time with him.
For your notice, Sindar is no longer in our guild.
Originally posted by zanzibar
Everything I\'ve accused people like Esserfin and Aucices of is true. Everything else I\'ve said in connection to the Dragon Council is also true, in my book.
And what\'s this all about ?
(btw, it\'s Aucices, not Aucicies)
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Originally posted by Rioth
Originally posted by zanzibar
I\'m really surprised that he got into the dragon council given his reputation among those who spent time with him.
For your notice, Sindar is no longer in our guild.
Originally posted by zanzibar
Everything I\'ve accused people like Esserfin and Aucices of is true. Everything else I\'ve said in connection to the Dragon Council is also true, in my book.
And what\'s this all about ?
(btw, it\'s Aucices, not Aucicies)
When I was new, Esserfin and Aucices made a habbit of standing in the tefusang field, stealing every kill from me and other new players using the arrow glitch. Later on, I saw it continuing. They also did other things for the sole purpose of being nasty (for instance, Aucices killed Xylaez\'s pet ulbernaught). When I asked Esserfin to stop, he was a prick about it and even bragged about being friends with all the GMs so I could therefor do nothing to stop him. When I told higher up dragon council members, they (you) just ignored me, saying Esserfin wouldn\'t do something like that.
This was quite a long time ago, and is hardly the only complaint people have about the DC.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
When I was new, Esserfin and Aucices made a habbit of standing in the tefusang field, stealing every kill from me and other new players using the arrow glitch. Later on, I saw it continuing. They also did other things for the sole purpose of being nasty (for instance, Aucices killed Xylaez\'s pet ulbernaught). When I asked Esserfin to stop, he was a prick about it and even bragged about being friends with all the GMs so I could therefor do nothing to stop him. When I told higher up dragon council members, they (you) just ignored me, saying Esserfin wouldn\'t do something like that.
Mmmm as far as I know they have never done something like this. And if they had, they have stopped while you\'ve been keeping doing such things.
Originally posted by zanzibar
This was quite a long time ago, and is hardly the only complaint people have about the DC.
Being the guild leader and having never recieved any complaints, I don\'t think what you\'re speaking about is that important. I even wonder if there are any complaints at all.
Anyway, would there ever be something wrong with my guild (and this is for everyone who read this), feel free to send me a /tell in game, PM me, or pay us a visit on our forums to tell me what\'s wrong.
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Originally posted by Rioth
Mmmm as far as I know they have never done something like this. And if they had, they have stopped while you\'ve been keeping doing such things.
I have news for you: They did it. And I have even more news for you: I don\'t do it. Surprise surprise. Of course, you\'ll probably continue to believe that your guild is capable of no wrong... which is part of the problem people have with it.
Originally posted by Rioth
Being the guild leader and having never recieved any complaints, I don\'t think what you\'re speaking about is that important.
This is part of the problem as well. You don\'t know what\'s happening in your own guild.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
I have news for you: They did it. And I have even more news for you: I don\'t do it. Surprise surprise. Of course, you\'ll probably continue to believe that your guild is capable of no wrong... which is part of the problem people have with it.
Noooo, really ?? What a surprise !
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Think about it twice, a guild is an organisation of players by the fact that they achieve things together. When the guild matters are not involved, the players are doing things on their behalf and not on the guild\'s behalf. They may have done it or not. And would they have done so, no one is perfect. Only thing I know now is that they are not doing it and it\'s enough for me.
And about the fact that you\'re killstealing, yes you are doing it. And what\'s surprising is that I\'ve actualy heard complaints about YOU killstealing. So, are you surprised ? I guess not...
Originally posted by zanzibar
This is part of the problem as well. You don\'t know what\'s happening in your own guild.
Don\'t make me laugh. I know better than anyone what\'s happening in my guild. And if by that you were refering to what my guild members are doing outside of the guild\'s matters, then read again what\'s just before. And don\'t think that I don\'t care about what my members could do outside of the guild\'s matters, because this would be false. However, I\'ve my own ways of dealing with this. You may see that as good ways or bad ones, that\'s your opinion. Now let me remind you of something else... This is my guild. And if you really think that I\'m ruling it badly, then it\'s your problem. Not mine. But why don\'t you start your own guild to show me what you can do ? Instead of runing from guilds to guilds doing whatever you\'ve got in mind...
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Originally posted by Rioth
Originally posted by zanzibar
I have news for you: They did it. And I have even more news for you: I don\'t do it. Surprise surprise. Of course, you\'ll probably continue to believe that your guild is capable of no wrong... which is part of the problem people have with it.
Originally posted by Rioth
Noooo, really ?? What a surprise !
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Think about it twice, a guild is an organisation of players by the fact that they achieve things together. When the guild matters are not involved, the players are doing things on their behalf and not on the guild\'s behalf. They may have done it or not. And would they have done so, no one is perfect. Only thing I know now is that they are not doing it and it\'s enough for me.
And about the fact that you\'re killstealing, yes you are doing it. And what\'s surprising is that I\'ve actualy heard complaints about YOU killstealing. So, are you surprised ? I guess not...
Every member is responsible for his own actions.
I have not heared any complaint about a member
of the Dragon Councill too. I have not seen or heared
anything as Dragon High Master.
And in the moments i was working as Dark Dragon
i found no complaints about any member too.
It\'s my job to screen our members from time to time.
Sometimes i talk with the Game Masters too about
the Dragon Council and they did not tell me about
complaints too.
I want a fair play ingame and report all players to the GM, who doesn\'t play fair. the Gm\'s respond to it and
teleport to me, to see on they\'re own.
This way a couple of players got official warnings of GM\'s.
Everyone who has complaints about a member of DC
can tell it to us and show prove by screenshots and chatlogs. All complaints are taken seriousby me,
But a member of DC is right, untill the opposite is proven.
Originally posted by zanzibar
This is part of the problem as well. You don\'t know what\'s happening in your own guild.
Originally posted by Rioth
Don\'t make me laugh. I know better than anyone what\'s happening in my guild. And if by that you were refering to what my guild members are doing outside of the guild\'s matters, then read again what\'s just before. And don\'t think that I don\'t care about what my members could do outside of the guild\'s matters, because this would be false. However, I\'ve my own ways of dealing with this. You may see that as good ways or bad ones, that\'s your opinion. Now let me remind you of something else... This is my guild. And if you really think that I\'m ruling it badly, then it\'s your problem. Not mine. But why don\'t you start your own guild to show me what you can do ? Instead of runing from guilds to guilds doing whatever you\'ve got in mind...
If Rioth should not know what is going on in the Guild,
Then the Dragon High Master and me are not doing
our jobs well.
If Rioth is away, then we manage the Guild for him.
If something happened in the Guild or ingame,
then we contact Rioth, so he does know what is going on in his Guild.
So to conclude my message.
We have not heared of any complaints about our
members.
And all guilds, that we have adresses from got a mail
from the Dragon Council to report misbehaving
members of the Dragon Council to us.
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Originally posted by Rioth Only thing I know now is that they are not doing it and it\'s enough for me.
I haven\'t seen them do it in quite a while, but they were going all out when they were doing it, and they were doing it at one point. And more.
Originally posted by Rioth
And about the fact that you\'re killstealing, yes you are doing it.
That\'s very nice.... except that I am not kill stealing.
Originally posted by zanzibar
And don\'t think that I don\'t care about what my members could do outside of the guild\'s matters, because this would be false.
I think you care. I just think you don\'t know the truth of the matter, whether it\'s about me or it\'s about certain members of your guild or it\'s about what people think about the DC. My understanding is that Esserfin, Aucices, and Bodacher are all higher ups in your guild. That gave them every opportunity to block evidence against themselves and to manufacture evidence against their accusers.
This is starting to go on a tangent however.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
And don\'t think that I don\'t care about what my members could do outside of the guild\'s matters, because this would be false.
I think you care. I just think you don\'t know the truth of the matter, whether it\'s about me or it\'s about certain members of your guild or it\'s about what people think about the DC. My understanding is that Esserfin, Aucices, and Bodacher are all higher ups in your guild. That gave them every opportunity to block evidence against themselves and to manufacture evidence against their accusers.
This is starting to go on a tangent however.
I can tell you Shalmaneser, that they are higher ranked yes.
They could block evidence towards Rioth yes,
but they cannot block information towards me.
I am independent in the Dragon Council and i allowed
to do everything to screen our Members and to protect the safety of the Dragon Council.
This way my knowledge is Rioth\'s knowledge.
And no one besides Rioth can see, what information
i collected about our members.
If i got a complaint about them, i would have screened them, without they knowing it.
And i am doing my work for a few months already.
I am not excluding any member for screening and tell
Rioth all i find about the members.
Even before the war with TBoA started i was screening already.
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I was playing for a long time before I was even in Twin Blades of Arete, and that\'s when most of the trouble was happening.
It\'s very nice that you never heard of the trouble, but that does NOT mean it didn\'t happen.
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Originally posted by zanzibar
I was playing for a long time before I was even in Twin Blades of Arete, and that\'s when most of the trouble was happening.
It\'s very nice that you never heard of the trouble, but that does NOT mean it didn\'t happen.
I understand it.
At this moment we dont want any problems like before anymore.
If i get a complaint about a member, i will look into it.
And when complaint is true,
then there will be actions taken against the members.
This could be done by a warning,
but also by banning out of the Dragon Council.
We have a Dragon Trial Council to decide what action
will be taken against the Member.
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That\'s very nice. But here\'s me saying something happened, and there\'s you guys saying there\'s no chance in heck that I saw what I saw and was told what I was told.
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Sorry to say this Shal but I have seen you killstealing. Not saying I saw you do it anytime recently or that you did it all the time, but you have done it and seeing others are saying the same do you think it\'s strange people not believe you when you claim others do it when you don\'t even admit you have done it yourself?
Don\'t think the way you left the twin blades and such adds much to your credibility, so unless you have some proof who do you think people are going to believe?
People like Esserfin who I know has repeatedly spoken out against using of cheats and has done this by example or someone with a questionable reputatation about killstealing, rulebreaking and general annoyance? Not to be harsh but you have to admit there have been others who have pointed at you.
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so i am guessing zanzibar is shalm,
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I dont have a problem with DC. Sure.. all of their members are PLers. That cannot be denied. But I dont PL enough myself to know whether they kill steal. And about Shal.. ok yeah he overreacts too often. But I do not know him to be a liar. And in consideration that some others have come out against DC in the past.. and having as large of a guild as you were.. Im sure many things happened that never reached Rioth, especially when he was inactive. I think that, that is part of the reason mass recruiters (not saying you are now but you were) get very little respect.. because for the most part it is impossible to watch that many people.
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PS: the ones I saw complain about you in the forums here Shal had no ties with the Dragon Council as far as I know.
And yep Shalmaneser ingame and also Shal I believe, but can\'t keep track of all his aliasses anymore as I have been hardly ingame the last weeks I am afraiid ;)
PS to Val:
In my opinion Shal always thought his transgrations ment nothing while if someone did the same to him it was a cardinal sin. He has a habit of getting angry at someone for something small and not understanding why someone doesn\'t like what he is doing.
Clear example is that reserving a single creature with a group is a sin against him if he doesn\'t want to share, but that he steals dark axes and such when admitted to such a group and even known to hog the mercenary all by himself when he found a shortcut to be faster then the others.
These events happened with a group without DC members BTW I just happened to walk by when it happened and stopped to see what was happening
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Sorry to say this Shal but I have seen you killstealing. Not saying I saw you do it anytime recently or that you did it all the time, but you have done it and seeing others are saying the same do you think it\'s strange people not believe you when you claim others do it when you don\'t even admit you have done it yourself?
I said I don\'t do it now, while Rioth and others (Zayek included) love parrotting that I do it presently. When I was doing it, I didn\'t realize that what I was doing was considered kill stealing. That is attacking something before someone else and killing it. Because I wasn\'t using the arrow spell or any other glitch, I thought that what I was doing wasn\'t kill stealing. Since Zayek gave me his personal definition of kill stealing, I have abided by it. An official definition was created, but I have yet to see it released.
Originally posted by Pestilence
Don\'t think the way you left the twin blades and such adds much to your credibility, so unless you have some proof who do you think people are going to believe?
What the hell does that have to do with anything? I don\'t care if you believe me -- if you don\'t believe me, it only reflects on you, suggesting that you are both judgemental and narrowminded. This isn\'t an issue of my word versus Rioths. This is about something I saw, and I\'m saying it happened. You can choose to dismiss it if you wish, but that doesn\'t change the facts.
Originally posted by Pestilence
People like Esserfin who I know has repeatedly spoken out against using of cheats and has done this by example or someone with a questionable reputatation about killstealing, rulebreaking and general annoyance? Not to be harsh but you have to admit there have been others who have pointed at you.
Yeah yeah yeah. Parrot it all you like, you\'re ignoring what I\'ve been saying so what\'s the point in talking it out?
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Originally posted by Pestilence
In my opinion Shal always thought his transgrations ment nothing while if someone did the same to him it was a cardinal sin. He has a habit of getting angry at someone for something small and not understanding why someone doesn\'t like what he is doing.
Clear example is that reserving a single creature with a group is a sin against him if he doesn\'t want to share, but that he steals dark axes and such when admitted to such a group and even known to hog the mercenary all by himself when he found a shortcut to be faster then the others.
These events happened with a group without DC members BTW I just happened to walk by when it happened and stopped to see what was happening
during this series of events DC members were present. Not at all times though. I am refering to the period when the arena merc was the only source of special weapons. You\'re ignoring key points:
-- The group who were there were monopolizing the spawn and were systematically excluding anyone else who came along.
-- They got GMs to harrass me three different times for the same thing. The first time, the GM ruled I was right. The second time, the GM wouldn\'t rule but ordered us to get along. The third time, one GM said they were right and two other GMs said I was right. All in all, 5 GMs were brought in to deal with the same complaint made over and over again.
-- I did not realize that going after a monster fair and square was considered kill stealing if someone else had the INTENTION of killing it. Up to that point, I thought kill stealing was using the arrow glitch to interupt someone else\'s attack.
You should also refer to various other posts I\'ve made on this subject. I go out of my way to give polite, intelligent responses to people, but it seems as if people like you and Rioth don\'t bother to read the damned things.
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Look Shal... I said that you are kill stealing, because I know it, maybe not at the precise moment, but anyway you\'ve done it, just like Ess and Auc if you say they\'ve done it. Only thing is that they have stopped (if they were doing it), and according to you, you\'ve stopped too. So why do you blame others that are in the very same case than you ? And what make you think I\'m parroting around the place saying you\'re kill stealing ? I\'ve never done so.
@Valbrandr: I assume that by \"PLers\" you meant power levelers... And in that case please consider that this is wrong. We play for what is in the game. May it be leveling in our skills or roleplaying together or with other people. Just pass by the tavern one day or another when we are organising a party, you would be more than welcome. We may have been a very big guild at a time, but a lot of people were inactives and we were not mass recruiting. We have always been growing at a steady rate. Knowing a wipe would occur (sooner or later) we decided not to wipe the inactive members. We have changed our guild\'s policies concerning recruitment and inactivity now and we are growing at a steady rate again (even if it is currently a slower rate than before). You say that while I was inactive I couldn\'t watch over my guild. That may be true, but other people were doing it for me. And it\'s not because one have a big guild that he can\'t rule it well. We have our set of rules to deal with all of this and while it has proven it\'s worth before, it will surely prove it\'s worth soon again.
And again... Players have their own life outside the guild, you can\'t reproach to a guild what players are
doing on their behalf. And even then, it\'s the guild\'s job to judge if the behaviour of the players can be tolerated within it or not.
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The only time I have seen DC members in the tavern is when you are on Rioth. They take a break from 10-12 hours of PLing and head over to the tavern. Everytime I have been in the arena there are three or so DC members in there.. and I check who is online and there are only 3 to 5 total. I understand many of us have been reduced to campers, but they spend 99% of time in arena, 1% of time in tavern talking/somewhat RPing with you.
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Originally posted by Rioth
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Look Shal... I said that you are kill stealing, because I know it, maybe not at the precise moment, but anyway you\'ve done it, just like Ess and Auc if you say they\'ve done it.
NO. NOT JUST LIKE ESS AND AUC. They did it INTENTIONALLY, using a GLITCH.
And by saying that your guild isn\'t made up of power levellers, you\'re only further proving that you\'re out of touch with your own guild.
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Yeah, of course... You guys just know what we do in our guild chat and on our forums... Surely PLing there too...
Just let me tell you something... The people that are in the arena are often working for other projects and are already nearly stats and skills maxed. Other than that, of course there are some of our members training there, but it\'s not because you see 2 to 3 of us there all the day (which is just impossible anyway) that those are the same ones. Those are different players ! There are only a few of us than can stay on for a long time. As far as I know, training for an hour or so, having fun with other guild members at the same time isn\'t PLing.
And also, why do you think I was at the tavern when we were having parties ? It\'s just because we organised those parties on our forums ! And let me tell you that there has been loads of parties that I\'ve already missed.
But I\'m surely wrong... You guys know much better than me what\'s happening in my guild, you guys just know everything that\'s happening in PS...
@Shal: Kill stealing is kill stealing, no matter how you turn it up, it\'s just the same. And anyway, I heard at a time some people complaining about you using this glitch to kill steal.
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Well I think this discussion is becoming pointless.
Shal you have been on Esserfins case for months now and you claim he has been doing it eversince. Fine. Bring some proof then. Getting proof if he does it all the time should be easy.
If you can\'t even bring a single shred of evidence to the table then\" I know what I saw so there\" after months and months I don\'t see why someone should take your word over Esserfins and Rioths word that it doesn\'t happen.
And aslong as you don\'t bring any evidence then it will be your word against those you acuse.
Why does how you left Twin Blades effect your credibility? Uhm well becuase you did what you wanted and betrayed your guild and THEN left just before you otherwise would surely be thrown out?
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Originally posted by Rioth
@Shal: Kill stealing is kill stealing, no matter how you turn it up, it\'s just the same. And anyway, I heard at a time some people complaining about you using this glitch to kill steal.
It\'s like talking to a brick wall. But hey, at least you don\'t believe everything you hear.
Originally posted by Pestilence
Why does how you left Twin Blades effect your credibility? Uhm well becuase you did what you wanted and betrayed your guild and THEN left just before you otherwise would surely be thrown out?
You think I have no credibility because of my past, while I think you have no credibility because of your words.
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Ok I will give some credit where credit is due.. I apologize for labeling all of your members as PLers.. Now there are many that do that... but I have had the plessure of talking with a few of your members in the Oja Tavern.. Kaile was the person I talked with most.. Hopefully I will see more of your members around Rioth, and you as well.
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I look forward to that :)
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The funny thing about this entire arguement is it\'s just one Set of Powerlevellers complaining about the others, and back again. I mean, thats the thing here- It isnt Roleplayers Complaining about how they dont get a fair chance because people are camping, It\'s powerlevellers using the Same Arguements as the Roleplayers to dismiss Activites which they all do. The mantra here seems to be If you\'re the best, then anything goes, but as soon as somebody gets better than you, then you cry foul and demand that they give you a \"fair\" chance. I\'m highly doubtful that anybody in this arguement at the moment has any right to be complaining about \"powerlevelling\" or \"spawn camping\". Its your thread, so you can all argue as much as you want, It\'s just I thought I\'d notify you all that more and more you\'re looking like a bunch of spoilt whiners.
Aendar - Thy language is unacceptable kind sir.
Depends on your definition of the word- I\'d rate the noun as offensive, but the verb is not nessecarily a deriviate of that word. Perhaps where you come from the usage is different? Ah well, I suppose if its ambiguous, I shouldnt have really used it.
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Originally posted by Valbrandr
Ok I will give some credit where credit is due.. I apologize for labeling all of your members as PLers.. Now there are many that do that... but I have had the plessure of talking with a few of your members in the Oja Tavern.. Kaile was the person I talked with most.. Hopefully I will see more of your members around Rioth, and you as well.
I can agree with this. PLing aside, there are good members of the Dragons. It\'s really only a few bad apples (bodacher etc.). Guy\'s like Rioth and Meriner aren\'t jerks. They simply don\'t know what many others know.
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I\'m the bad apple now? I think that most people you speak to would disagree on that one Shal. It is people like you that drive the good ones away from this game. Say goodbye to another....I\'ve had as much of this crap as I can take.
To all my friends, I\'m sorry, I just can\'t take it anymore....Stay away from people like Shal and I\'m sure you\'ll have a good time.
Bye all.
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What?!.. you mean you are going to stay away from the forums or are you leaving PS? Listen I dont know you, but dont leave because of shal. If you are a good member then stay because that is who we need around here. But dont ever let someone dictate to you when you are going to leave.
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No offence, but why should you care? The community is just losing another \"PL\'er\"! You admit that you don\'t know me and immediately implore me to stay, yet yesterday you were just as quick to dismiss the entire guild as a bunch of PL\'ers.
Shal is not the only reason, but his attitude is spreading like a disease. Flames in the forums and harrassment in-game ( from lots of different people, and not just at me or my guild ). I see it almost every day. It\'s not a very friendly place anymore and is no longer fun. That\'s what people like Shal bring to the game, and that is why I\'m leaving.
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***Valbrandr shows him the door
Thats fine. Instead of helping you can leave.. that always helps the community. Did you read my second post by the way... Im assuming you didnt because I said the opposite though the only time ive seen you ingame is camping.. and I have never RPed with you or seen you RPing with anyone else. Though I have with a few of your ex guildmates. If you are leaving because of the reasons then to try and get you to stay would be a mistake.. you would end up leaving either way. I just wish instead of \"I dont think I like this anymore and its no fun\".. go and try to change things and attempt to make it fun instead of leaving. But cya...
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Today is a very Sad day for me. I wake up to find not just a guild mate has left, but a really good friend. Bodacher helped me when I was new to PS. I have also seen him help many others who were new to the game. We have adventured togther many times, & shared many a tale & ale in the Tavern in Hydlaa afterwards.
In all the days that I have known Bodacher, he never has been so much as rude to another player, let alone do any of the things some people have accused him personally of doing. To the contrary, he has provided guidence, help & in some cases friendship to those in need.
To those that say, \"well you do know him\", I say \"no, it is you who do not know him\". A good Dwarf has left us today & PS is just a little bit worse for it. I hope that Bodacher will return one day.
Gan, \"Long Beard\" raises his mug in a salute to his departed good friend Bodacher.
Gan, \"Long Beard\"
Leader, White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master
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Oh, my darling Bodacher...
The tears stream down my face. I can hardly see what I write, upon the screen.
You did not even say goodbye.
Had you spoken your feelings to me, I think that I would have convinced you to stay.
Is that why there was no warning? And you deleted your account?
I know the buzzing gadfly, Shal, who tries to feel important, could never have budged you...
Instead, it is that thing you would not tell me, that has taken you away.
So you had to leave, and thought you could not do it otherwise?
Know that all of those who love you here, will miss you very much.
I blow a kiss, and hope happiness will find you on your way.
Goodbye dear Bod, and fare thee well.
Love,
Verrliit.
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I am saddened at this news we have become good friends since i have been in game and had a lot of fun together , i wise you well were ever you are your hu-man friend
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I feel very sad to see you leaving.
You were a good friend of us and well known amongst many.
You were a good Dragon Master.
I hope we can see you soon back in time.
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I\'m sorry to see you go Bod, you are a good friend and teammate.
I\'m equally saddened by the idiots who have nothing better to do, than throw insults and spout off about others, whom seem to take great pleasure in HURTING people.
Listen up peeps, this is a game and a community.
The characters are controlled by real people who have feelings.
The old addage about sticks and stones may be true to some, but for the most part, names and insults DO hurt, they mightn\'t break bones, but they cause emotional damage. I\'ve seen this kind of hurt before and you know something? it sickens me.
If you have a problem with someone, talk to them, don\'t throw insults etc, try and talk civilly. If the person doesn\'t want to know, leave it be and let it go. That\'s life, you can\'t expect everyone to be friends.
Some look like their stuck with the same old tune on loopback. It gets boring, fast.
Here\'s something to consider:
I\'ll treat you with respect, so long as you treat me with respect.
You fail to do that, you lose my respect.
You try to force yourserlf on me and my friends? you lose my respect.
You start tossing insults because something isn\'t going your way? Tough, you just lost my respect.
I have seen quite a few things in PS, I\'ve employed a few tricks and learned what is and isn\'t considered fair. I may have done some things that aren\'t considered \"fair\" in the past, but I stopped when I learned otherwise.
Just remember a few things:
I\'m a battlemage, I use magic. Magic is fair to me.
I fight with weapons. Weapons are fair to me.
I fight with my bare claws, that is fair to me.
You fight with whatever you feel is right, but be fair and share. Similarly, if I feel something\'s too crowded, I look elsewhere. (Yes Shal, even when that mercenary was the only one to drop super-weapons, I left it to others when I felt it was overcrowded, though you didn\'t stick around to see that)
I try to do that, and the only time I \"cut someone out\" is after they\'ve proved themselves to be dishonourable, play unfair, force themselves upon me (in whatever way, it doesn\'t matter) or cheat.
I\'m sorry to see Bodacher go, because he\'s a good friend.
I PITY those who drove him out, because they will never be able to understand the preciousness the community of Planeshift offers.
No, I don\'t hate you, that doesn\'t mean I like you, it just means I don\'t know, or want to know you.
Sedona
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you people that keep on insulting others and shaking fingers need to shut up you are the ones that need to quit and leave inthe short time that i knew bod i never new him to be mean or insuling only helpfull he is and always will be a true ps player now there is another name i have to right on kada\'s fireplace along with the others that have decided that enough was enough well they are right enough is enough X(
and to you bodacher my dwarf friend i only wished i could have at least had one more ale with you
people like you shal are the reason i have gone evil
and some day people like you shall pay and you can trust me on that one
Harvey wallbanger
soldier Dark empire
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/me sadly shakes his head...
A travesty, this is. A dark shadow has risen up and cost us yet another honorable player, dedicated Leader, and trusted friend. Bodacher was not the first, and I fear he will not be the last.
Farewell, good Master. I grieve at thy absence. I pray for the righting of all that is wrong in this world ere thee return again.
I wish thee Joy and Peace in all your future endeavors.
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I hadn\'t known Bodacher well but even i have seen him in-game and knew he was a good person... and yeh i have seen Shal in-game and he had a big phsyco attack at me for asking if he was zanzibar (which i had figured out just wanted to know for sure)
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I\'m sorry to see you go Bod, you are a good friend and teammate.
I\'m equally saddened by the idiots who have nothing better to do, than throw insults and spout off about others, whom seem to take great pleasure in HURTING people.
Listen up peeps, this is a game and a community.
The characters are controlled by real people who have feelings.
The old addage about sticks and stones may be true to some, but for the most part, names and insults DO hurt, they mightn\'t break bones, but they cause emotional damage. I\'ve seen this kind of hurt before and you know something? it sickens me.
Im not replying to this one quote in particular, but pretty much to all the Dragon Council Members. Firstly, stop the whining. Im not complaining about you saying goodbye, but about you taking the Pity line all of a sudden and making it look like you\'re the victims. If I knew Bod, I\'d probablly be insulted for him that you\'re trying to use him leaving as a way to further continue the pointless arguement that you\'re having. It takes TWO sides to argue. All those people accusing others of insulting, and arguing, and spliting the community- Theres a reason this arguement has been going, what, 60 posts? More? Nothing stretches out that long without people on the other side making accusations and counter claims back. Its all good when you\'re dishing it out, but when people retaliate and say stuff back, you pull the victim line? Not convincing. If you\'re going to provoke Evil Characters, and keep stirring them up, then this is always how its going to end up. Though, I mean, its your guild, you can do whatever you want- I really couldnt care which path you take, and its just more fun for us- Its just some advice for your own good.
On a side, and possibly more important note, I think this issue highlights a big problem, and even a fundamental flaw in the game at the moment. That is, the complete lack of Avaliable \"evil\" activites. Now before you go and shout \"omfg!!!11 powerleveller!! greifering!!!!! argh!!\", hear me out. There are always going to be \"evil\" characters. In fact, Its demanded of most Role Playing games. There has to be something to battle against. Planeshift, in its character outlines, included \"evil\" as an alignment, so we can safely assume this game isnt meant to be some stupid Hello-Kitty mmorpg where you run around making friends and having tea parties. There Is, at least, some sense of struggle against an opposing force, within reasonable limits. Now the Devs could make this \"evil\" party entirely NPC, so that they can completly control it- But this is a mmorpg for christs sake, the point is social interaction with other people, including those you dont nessecarily like. NPC opposition is for single player games- we want something dynamic here. Of course, the flip side is you dont want greifers and things going to far. However, at the moment the Devs, for whatever reason have tried to enforce this unrealistic \"everybody is good\" type notion. It seems to vary alot, as I havnt seen any offical notice of it, but It seems that nearly anything that could be considered \"competition against\" or \"opposing\" another player is frowned upon, or even banned. There is no open PvP combat, and even Challenging people is considered bad. Competing for resources (spawn sites, etc) is frowned upon, and will even get you teleported or banned depending on the GM. The Devs simply haven\'t defined the \"proper\" evil role in the game, and so the general consensus has swung towards \"Lets all play nice\", which makes for a pretty damn one dimension environment. Since the Evil players cant do anything with the game mechanics, we\'ve (well I use \'we\' there, but evil players behavior is far from uniform) have had to resort to other means to be \"evil\", i.e verbal means. Now this is ok when the people you interact with know the Difference between In Game and Real Life- but when you get people, or should I say.. guilds that Cant tell the difference between a Criticism of their character in Game, and a personal attack on them, It gets nasty. Then there are grey areas, like the forums, where sometimes people play in character, other times they dont, etc. This ever present ambiguity means theres no guild lines for evil players- so they just think bugger it and act evil all round. This must be clarified, and the sooner the better. Either decalre this a Carebears mmorpg, or provide in game mechanisms and guildlines for what is meant to happen, and notify the GMs accordingly. Or else brace yourself for alot more of these situations.
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I agree with Bael. The way things are, speech is the only way we can use to transmit our guild\'s message. At least for evil guilds.
Either we are told how to correctly play evil, or we do it our way. I was labelled as short sighted when I proposed that we should have information about the alignments people can choose in PS.
However it\'s those who ignore this is a multiplayer game that are short sighted. We need rules and clear explanations or else we\'ll be playing blindly here.
It would also be alot better if players helped each other too. Currently OOC and IC are very shaky and some times hard to distinguish (it\'s my opinion that this happens because words are overated in PS). However I think it\'s common sense to appeal to the other player OOCly (Specifying you\'re OOC) whenever misunderstandings occur.
It\'s also common sense to ignore (or understand) people that can\'t communicate OOCly (Or ICly, you never know with them.) These people aren\'t roleplaying, they\'re living their eternal fantasy.
I don\'t know what this has to do with the topic though. And I\'m sorry for that :P.
*Tries to post something on-topic*
Bodacher was not the first, and I fear he will not be the last.
Indeed.
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?I don?t know what to say, dear Bodacher...?
?I remember the day, that very first day we met. I wasn?t aware that I had in front of me the most servable dwarfs of Yliakum.?
?I remember this day, I was lost in this huge world, in this city called Hydlaa, and you were here to show me the path, you were the light in this dark and blur place.?
?I remember when you took me out of the city, when you explained me what the different places were, when you show me the best sight view over there at the mountaintop.?
?I remember you helping everybody who was in need; you didn?t care spending your time with me and with all the new ones. Au contraire, you were enjoying it.?
?I had always tried to give you back at least a short piece of all you brought to me, but never had you asked for it. Bodacher, you are a gift.?
--Lindrae wipes off the tears dripping from her eyes.--
?Now that I am getting used to Yliakum, I know you were one of these rare kinds of people: the open-handed ones. And, now I know it will be impossible to find someone able to replace even one hundredth of you.?
?I will really miss you??
Lindrae.
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Originally posted by ramlambmoo
I\'m sorry to see you go Bod, you are a good friend and teammate.
I\'m equally saddened by the idiots who have nothing better to do, than throw insults and spout off about others, whom seem to take great pleasure in HURTING people.
Listen up peeps, this is a game and a community.
The characters are controlled by real people who have feelings.
The old addage about sticks and stones may be true to some, but for the most part, names and insults DO hurt, they mightn\'t break bones, but they cause emotional damage. I\'ve seen this kind of hurt before and you know something? it sickens me.
Im not replying to this one quote in particular, but pretty much to all the Dragon Council Members.
Maybe not, though picking up on a post from someone who hasn\'t posted before kinda cheapens your response, doncha think?
I doubt you\'ve noticed, but I tend to avoid forums and this was the first time I\'ve even bothered to post, not as a whiner post, not just for those of DC, but because I felt it needed saying, it came from my heart.
Its hard to miss a certain minority who spoil things for everyone else, and they are part of the reason for my posting.
Firstly, stop the whining. Im not complaining about you saying goodbye, but about you taking the Pity line all of a sudden and making it look like you\'re the victims.
Excuse me?
I am saddened to see Bodacher driven out and understand the loss more than some realise, I also see how those who care deeply about him feel. I don\'t pity them or myself, I feel compassion for their loss, but I would never pity them.
I certainly do NOT pity myself or those who know Bodacher, because he\'s enriched our lives, he is and always will be our friend.
I pity those who are too shallow to understand the PS community and treat it or others badly.
I pity THEM because they will never understand, or value friendship the way I do.
If I knew Bod, I\'d probablly be insulted for him that you\'re trying to use him leaving as a way to further continue the pointless arguement that you\'re having.
I seriously hope you realise that you\'re pegging my post at the top of your attempt to slam others effectively works as a direct insult against me, regardless of whether you \"broadened the range\"
Read my post a little more carefully, it mightn\'t be as organised as others, but it gets the feeling and heart of the situation out.
Was it intended to continue an argument?
Absolutely not. It was a one off post from someone who\'s been sitting as a bystander who finally felt pressed to voice their feelings.
I don\'t want the game to descend into sewer level inteligence, because of those few who can\'t get along.
It takes TWO sides to argue.
That\'s obvious.
All those people accusing others of insulting, and arguing, and spliting the community- Theres a reason this arguement has been going, what, 60 posts? More? Nothing stretches out that long without people on the other side making accusations and counter claims back. Its all good when you\'re dishing it out, but when people retaliate and say stuff back, you pull the victim line? Not convincing. If you\'re going to provoke Evil Characters, and keep stirring them up, then this is always how its going to end up. Though, I mean, its your guild, you can do whatever you want- I really couldnt care which path you take, and its just more fun for us- Its just some advice for your own good.
You SERIOUSLY need to re-read my original post.
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Originally posted by Bodacher
I\'m the bad apple now? I think that most people you speak to would disagree on that one Shal. It is people like you that drive the good ones away from this game. Say goodbye to another....I\'ve had as much of this crap as I can take.
To all my friends, I\'m sorry, I just can\'t take it anymore....Stay away from people like Shal and I\'m sure you\'ll have a good time.
Bye all.
He\'s probably adopting an alt, or was already planning to leave. Is his skin so thin that a single comment from me convinces you to leave? I think not.
If he\'s left, he\'ll have no pity from me. The few times we spoke, he was rude even though I tried to be friendly. He insulted me and my friends, and then /ignored me so that I couldn\'t respond.
So yes, I consider him one of the bad apples.
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I\'d like people to have in mind that the PS player community is unilateral, meaning we\'re all on the same side. Please try to understand why others do what they do.
There are always different kinds of people, and most divergencies spawn from this. However there is a reason behind most people\'s behaviour, that we should try to accept. Or at least understand.
Roleplaying is about common sense and acquiescence.
It is our right to give our opinion. Overreacting, however, never helps. If you think you\'re being disrespected or insulted, as a player, first contact the other player and give him your point of view. If it doesn\'t work, then find a GM or Moderator. That\'s one of the reasons they are around; to avoid irrational behaviours from players.
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Maybe not, though picking up on a post from someone who hasn\'t posted before kinda cheapens your response, doncha think?
No, I used it as an example of the posts that I was replying to- If anything It heightens my response, by letting people see what Im replying to- I cant quote all the responses, because It would be a waste of space and nobody would read it, so I pick one. As for this being your first post- So? My post was in response to one particular kind of post, the \"Goodbye\" type- and no one has made more than 1 of them, so you are in the same group as the rest of them.
I doubt you\'ve noticed, but I tend to avoid forums and this was the first time I\'ve even bothered to post, not as a whiner post, not just for those of DC, but because I felt it needed saying, it came from my heart.
Its hard to miss a certain minority who spoil things for everyone else, and they are part of the reason for my posting.
Well Its easy to dismiss them as a \"Certain minority\" when they make up the majority of the posters on the boards. Maybe you should speak to your guild members to sort it out,- Its not my problem to fix, thats just the way it is. Until the guild bothers to do something about them, I have every right to regard them as representatives of their guild.
I am saddened to see Bodacher driven out and understand the loss more than some realise, I also see how those who care deeply about him feel. I don\'t pity them or myself, I feel compassion for their loss, but I would never pity them.
I certainly do NOT pity myself or those who know Bodacher, because he\'s enriched our lives, he is and always will be our friend.
No, the pity line means to try and get Neutral observers to pity your side of the arguement, mostly by using emotive and subjective Arguements- \"saddened by the idiots who have nothing better to do\", \"take great pleasure in HURTING people\",. etc.. Unfactual arguements, used to draw empathy from those reading these posts.
I pity those who are too shallow to understand the PS community and treat it or others badly.
I pity THEM because they will never understand, or value friendship the way I do.
Well touche, I pity those who cant understand the concept of roleplaying, and the seperation of Character and real person.
I seriously hope you realise that you\'re pegging my post at the top of your attempt to slam others effectively works as a direct insult against me, regardless of whether you \"broadened the range\"
This was quite obviously an attack on those arguing here- If you\'re not arguing, then its pretty clear im not talking about you. None-theless, I have every right to portray you as a constituent of those advancing the arguement- because you are. Even though That was your first post, you came in here Clearly supporting one side of the arguement, and continued the arguements that they were making. The word \"you\'re\" here applies to all those arguing pointlessly on the side of the D.C- which includes you, once you join that discussion. If you did not want to join the arguement, perhaps you could have make a more factual and strictly \"goodbye\" post, instead of diving in and throwing accusations at people.
Read my post a little more carefully, it mightn\'t be as organised as others, but it gets the feeling and heart of the situation out.
It gets your opinion out, granted. I happen to disagree with your opinion.
Was it intended to continue an argument?
Absolutely not. It was a one off post from someone who\'s been sitting as a bystander who finally felt pressed to voice their feelings.
Did It continue an arguement, regardless of whether it was meant to? Absolutly. Perhaps next time you should choose your words more carefully, and not accuse and place blame on others, if you dont want to continue an arguement, eh? \"Bystander\" does not equate to \"neutral\". You are clearly on one side of the arguement, which you have shown.
I don\'t want the game to descend into sewer level inteligence, because of those few who can\'t get along.
Ditto- I\'d prefer we didnt get along and keep intelligence at the same time.
That\'s obvious.
Yes, and? Its still true.
You SERIOUSLY need to re-read my original post.
Perhaps you would like to post a factual retort instead of advising me to re-read your post, which adds nothing? Which parts in particular, in reference to my quote which you displayed?
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Farewell my friend Bodacher.
I hope we\'ll see each other again sometimes because, frankly, leaving because of Shal or people like him is not such a good ideea. Au contraire, you should stay for the people that are not like shal and help others make people like him go away. It is sad that it has come to that but it is your decision and i can respect that.
For all others talking about PL... WTF??!? do you even know the definition of PL? Here i\'ll quote it for you:
....refers to a player that is of much greater power assisting a player of much lower power in defeating monsters that are far too powerful for the low level player, but are easily and quickly killed by the more powerful player. Defeating high level challenges rewards the lower level player with experience points more rapidly than normal.
Please tell me when you have seen this happen in PS.
Want to see PL? Join Conquer Online, sit on a rock while being afk, let a guy kill monsters all day for you and in a few hours you are level 40 there while you have been out, for a beer with your friends. That is PL.
And why should you care about somebody being stronger than you? Afraid you might accept his chalenge by mistake? I\'ll tell you from my observations that strong people do not chalenge people. (Except Shal of course).
One more thing... Bodacher was a better RPer than most of us, and i can say that because i know him well.
Anyway, hope to see you again Bod and perhaps if you read these lines, we\'ll meet at a mug of ale in the tavern sometimes and we\'ll talk about it.
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I hope we\'ll see each other again sometimes because, frankly, leaving because of Shal or people like him is not such a good ideea. Au contraire, you should stay for the people that are not like shal and help others make people like him go away. It is sad that it has come to that but it is your decision and i can respect that.
I 100% agree with this statement Eolius. This is why in my second post responding to Bodacher I sound a bit agitated because frankly I am. People leave that possibly are good members of the Community (I never spoke with Bodacher) and the only thing this does is hurt the entire community overall. It is a selfish move and one that someone who truly cared would not make, atleast I dont think so. If you care, stay, if you dont care, leave.
And there are two excepted explainations of Power Leveler:
One is exactly what you say Eolius,
But the other means someone who instead of RPing or enjoying the game in all of its aspects.. they just power themselves. And this is especially bad when there are only so many monsters.. we are all turned into campers or roamers.. either or. But even though this is a tech demo, there are other things to do then PL.
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....refers to a player that is of much greater power assisting a player of much lower power in defeating monsters that are far too powerful for the low level player, but are easily and quickly killed by the more powerful player. Defeating high level challenges rewards the lower level player with experience points more rapidly than normal.
That is, if you define wikipedia as the authority on this. For your information, Planeshift players have defined what Powerlevlling means for them in the game, instead of a static definition that people use for other games. Anyone who has been around for a reasonable amount of time knows what \"powerlevelling\" means in a Planeshift context.
One more thing... Bodacher was a better RPer than most of us, and i can say that because i know him well.
Yes, but you dont nessecarily know most of us well, do you. Just a technical point there...
And why should you care about somebody being stronger than you?
Well said... why dont those who dont like \"powerlevelling\" and such just not do it then? Are these people afraid that somebody else might be having fun without *gasp* roleplaying?
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Originally posted by Sangwa
I\'d like people to have in mind that the PS player community is unilateral, meaning we\'re all on the same side. Please try to understand why others do what they do.
Yes. Problems happen when people can\'t distinguish between RP commentary and RL interaction. It seems like too many people are taking what happens in-game personally, Bodacher\'s recent move being a prime and unfortunate example.
Bael?s response was very intelligent and well thought out. It?s too bad that so few people share the sensitive understanding of RP that individuals like Bael, Sangwa, and Agara have developed.
Originally posted by Eolius
leaving because of Shal or people like him is not such a good ideea.
Sending a character into self-exile for RP reasons is fine. However, I doubt that it\'s what actually has happened. At the same time, he did NOT leave because of me. I haven\'t spoken to Bodacher in weeks. Weeks and weeks.
He\'s leaving, but it ain\'t cause of me sonny. Perhaps there really are so many people complaining about the DC -- some with cause, some without. However, I suspect that something is happening in Bodacher\'s personal life which is taking him away from Planeshift, and he\'s using it as an opportunity to stab at the enemies of his guild and to draw pity from the community.
Originally posted by Eolius
I\'ll tell you from my observations that strong people do not chalenge people. (Except Shal of course).
When I challenge people, there\'s usually a reason -- correcting the rudeness of others and fighting for reasons of honour high among them. I\'ve wandered the streets in a drunken rage from time to time however, and I\'ve been known to pick fights during such periods.
Originally posted by darkw00t
I hadn\'t known Bodacher well but even i have seen him in-game and knew he was a good person... and yeh i have seen Shal in-game and he had a big phsyco attack at me for asking if he was zanzibar (which i had figured out just wanted to know for sure)
I merely asked why you were confronting me. It is not often that someone I do not recognize comes and speaks to me in such a familiar manner. As far as Bodacher goes... I saw what I saw. I\'m sure he wasn\'t a jerk to everyone, but he always was one to me.
Originally posted by Sedona
Similarly, if I feel something\'s too crowded, I look elsewhere. (Yes Shal, even when that mercenary was the only one to drop super-weapons, I left it to others when I felt it was overcrowded, though you didn\'t stick around to see that)
You?re right. I never saw you share.
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Today, me, Ganinos and a few select characters caused a fuss in the tavern.
The topic of Bodacher came up, and I said that he was rude to me, even though I knew that to other people like Eleloy and most new people he was actually a nice guy.
Ganinos started hounding me, saying \"where\'s the proof?\" over and over again. When I said I had logs, he just insulted me.
Listen, maybe you guys are sensitive about Bodacher and about what people think of your guild. But is it so hard to believe that at least some of you have done bad things in-game? Is it so hard to let people have differences of opinion without making things explode into flame-fests? Why resort to harrassment and mobbing if you think you\'re right?
It\'s bad for the community. Yeah, sure, maybe it was just \"Shal\" who was being mobbed, but Ganinos and his friends ruined the RP experience for everyone else who was in the tavern at the time. It was the most crowded I had seen it in a long time, and there was actual RP going on. We should be trying to encourage that kind of thing, not ruin it for others!
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Shal, to start off I am not part of the dragon council nor have I ever been. Moreover I am nobodys alt; I have been around since late in MB and if you don\'t belive me I can and will show you my ring of the past to prove it.
And finaly comes the rebutal to your post; a coup de gras so to speak
[QOUTE]
(20:48:40) Shalmaneser turns his smile into a yawn. \"I don\'t even think he\'s gone. More likely, he\'s trying to get sympathy for his guild in a time when they are in ill-respect.\"
(20:48:48) Pogs squints, looks left and right, then grabs another one
(20:48:49) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos, you\'ve never been interested in proof.
(20:48:51) Eleloy takes a drink and start slowly sipping the drink down
(20:48:57) Pogs says: Cheerio
(20:49:03) Caen grabs a mugs swiftly, studying it with intense concentration.
(20:49:14) Shalmaneser says: You can\'t even see what\'s in front of you.
(20:49:16) Kaile smiles
(20:49:18) Rift says: hey wtf is goin on
(20:49:22) Blaze perks his ears a bit, then grabs another two mugs from under the bar and proceeds to fill them
(20:49:22) Kaile says: Greedy pog?
(20:49:23) Shalmaneser says: Whether it\'s to do with Bodacher, me, or the dark lady.
(20:49:27) Hatchnet says: Barkeep a wine please
(20:49:45) Blaze gives a quick nod \"Aye, sure thing.\"
(20:49:52) Ganinos says: No, it is you who are not interested in proof. You accuse without proof. This is something I would never do.
(20:50:03) Pogs says: Not greedy. I prefer the term \"thirsty\"
(20:50:06) Shalmaneser says: I don\'t need proof of things I already know are true.
(20:50:13) Caen says: (:o ... *Smacks Rift* That\'s supposed to be my general all purpose name! You bum! xD)
(20:50:15) Eleloy says: Ganinos speaks truth
(20:50:22) Alvyn leans back against the bar, enjoying the show
(20:50:24) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos speaks half truths. And half the truth is a lie.
(20:50:25) Blaze climbs up onto the bar counter, feels around up top for a moment, then pulls down a wine glass
(20:50:33) Blaze says: What sort of wine are you lookin\' for, mate?
(20:50:40) Ganinos says: You need proof to accuse someone of something or you are just spreeding your own brand of lies.
(20:50:48) Pogs says: [brb]
(20:50:52) Eleloy says: i would know you are bad.. just before you were killstealing plusthe first time i talked to you you accused me..
(20:50:52) Hatchnet says: A fine green If you have it
(20:51:14) Caen looks down at the mug and takes a huge swig of it.
(20:51:28) Shalmaneser says: [[[[ I have chat logs of Bodacher insulting me and freaking out just for saying Hi. He kill stole from me every so often as revenge for things I was saying about the guild. If you really need the proof, I can spend the time to dig through the logs, but you won\'t like what I get, and I won\'t like looking for it.]]]]]
(20:51:33) Kaile offers gan a mug full of some sort of ale
(20:51:33) Blaze mumbles something as he crouches down and begins to search under the bar \"Green...? Not too sure...\"
(20:51:49) Alvyn says: Might there be any nuts back there, or something else to nibble on?
(20:52:09) Kaile says: I have some
(20:52:11) Kaile says: Maybe fish?
(20:52:13) Shalmaneser says: It doesn\'t matter though.
(20:52:17) Shalmaneser says: Soon, your pitiful organization will be a thing of the past.
(20:52:27) Alvyn says: Why thank you
(20:52:29) Caen bounds happily into the middle of the room, mostly ignoring everyone.
(20:52:40) Shalmaneser says: You outlived your usefullness. Now, you\'ve outlived your name.
(20:52:42) Blaze produces a small dark bottle from under the bar, covered in a thin layer of dust \"Hmmm...Yes, yes...Good year, this one is...\"
(20:53:07) Ganinos says: Shal, you have accused many, without providing any proof of anything.
(20:53:19) Shalmaneser says: That bar never seems to run out of interesting bottles! Some magiks must be at play.
(20:53:25) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos, no.
(20:53:29) Shalmaneser says: I accuse very few people.
(20:53:34) Ganinos says: You talk but your words have nothing to back them up.
(20:53:42) Shalmaneser says: And I accuse them of very specific things.
(20:53:45) Eleloy says: i read their guild belief\'s... if you have accused and insulted their guild, they are allowed revenge
(20:53:49) Shalmaneser says: Actually, I usually have many things to back them up.
(20:53:52) Shalmaneser sighs.
(20:53:53) Caen suddenly smack Shalmanese across the face with her paw. She looks a bit annoyed at him. \"Esa ene lise! Lian!\"
(20:53:53) Hatchnet says: Funny Shalmonezer thats not what it looks like from here
(20:54:08) Shalmaneser says: I\'ve accused and insulted them to the tenth degree, and it\'s only half of what they deserve.
(20:54:09) Blaze presses a claw into the cork and slowly pulls it out of the neck, then picks up the wine glass and begins to fill it with the rich liquid
(20:54:19) Shalmaneser says: Hatchnet, be silent. I know you.
(20:54:26) Caen stalks off with what looks like bruised pride.
(20:54:29) Shalmaneser walks over to grab a drink.
(20:54:49) Shalmaneser says: Blaze. Grab a few pints of stout while you\'re back there.
(20:54:57) Hatchnet says: Shalmanezer you know no one and nothing
(20:55:04) Ganinos says: Your hate is evident in your words. But, that is all you say is words.
(20:55:07) Eleloy says: Blaze. Another glass of ale please>
(20:55:11) Blaze slides the wine glass along with the bottle over the counter to Hatchnet \"\'Ere yeh go.\"
(20:55:12) Shalmaneser says: Hatchnet, you\'re bitter because a GM warned you about cheating.
(20:55:29) Blaze says: Alright, two ales comin\' up.
(20:55:31) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos, Bodacher is gone. What\'s the point anymore?
(20:55:34) Shalmaneser says: I know what I saw was true.
(20:55:36) Hatchnet says: Thank you my good man
(20:55:41) Shalmaneser says: Other people, who saw similar things, will know what I know.\\
(20:55:57) Hatchnet says: Where did you get that bit of information Shal I have never been warned
(20:56:00) Shalmaneser says: Besides, I don\'t give a rat\'s tail about proving anything to YOU, oh Ganinos of Dragon Council.
(20:56:00) Pogs says: [back]
(20:56:06) Shalmaneser says: You are nothing. You have no power. And you have no insight.
(20:56:12) Eleloy says: I stand by my point that as far as I knew Bodacher he was a good person
(20:56:19) Shalmaneser says: Hatchnet, you\'re bitter, so you insult me as would a child.
(20:56:24) Shalmaneser says: Eleloy, I believe you.
(20:56:27) Pogs sits down at a table in the corner and watches the crowd
(20:56:27) Blaze begins to fill up two new mugs, mumbling something darkly. He turns around and places them on the counter.
(20:56:36) Shalmaneser says: He showed that face to many people.
(20:56:40) Ganinos says: You try to spread words, & say they are true at the same time. But, you never provide any evidence of such. This means your words are hollow as you are.
(20:56:45) Hatchnet says: Whos insulting
(20:56:45) Alvyn drains his mug. \"Blaze, can I trouble you for another?\"
(20:56:49) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos,
(20:56:52) Shalmaneser says: I do provide proof.
(20:56:56) Hatchnet says: Shal you are the only one throwing mud in here
(20:56:58) Shalmaneser says: When I had to get GM involvement, I provided proof.
(20:57:08) Shalmaneser says: Now, other people see the same things, and they know what\'s true and what is not.
(20:57:18) Blaze picks up the mug and turns back to the barrel, filling it once more and handing it back to Alvyn
(20:57:18) Eleloy almost forgets the ale and swiftly drinks it up.
(20:57:22) Shalmaneser says: Hatchnet, read up the log and you\'ll see the illusion in your own words.
(20:57:26) Caen gingerly whams the mug down on the bartop. \"Tensu!!!\" she cries excitedly.
(20:57:29) Shalmaneser says: This is so childish.
(20:57:34) Shalmaneser says: Ganinos, you don\'t want proof.
(20:57:38) Shalmaneser says: Because I\'ve offered it to you,
(20:57:39) Hatchnet says: As I said your are the only one throwing mud in here
(20:57:41) Shalmaneser says: and you refused.
(20:57:41) Kaile giggles at caen
(20:57:42) Ganinos says: Words, Shal all words, you have provided no proof of anything to anyone.
(20:57:47) Shalmaneser says: I just don\'t care anymore.
(20:57:48) Shalmaneser says: Right.
(20:57:54) Shalmaneser says: And until you look at the proof, it wil never exist.
(20:57:55) Shalmaneser says: Right?
(20:57:58) Blaze says: Erf...? I take it you\'d like a drink, then?
(20:57:58) Shalmaneser says: That\'s what I thought.
(20:58:00) Pogs wonders what this is all about
(20:58:03) Eleloy says: Video tape proof next time..
(20:58:04) Hatchnet says: I have been reading the entire time I\'ve been in here
(20:58:24) Caen holds out the mug and repeates herself, smiling. \"Tensu.\"
(20:58:54) Hatchnet says: (That one has been trouble since he was a wee newb)
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As you can see I only came in toward the tail of the conversation however in that little bit captured in my log you were the sole procrastinator.
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Originally posted by Hatchnet
As you can see I only came in toward the tail of the conversation however in that little bit captured in my log you were the sole procrastinator.
Yes, you came in at the end of it all. There was a lot happening before you supposedly came in, and even more leading up to it.
No, I was not the only one in the wrong. If you\'re going to play the blame game, then you have to take personal responsibility as well, and Ganinos was also being obstinate and offensive.
I also want to compare your log to mine, because something seems weird about it. Maybe it\'s just the missing tells?
Listen, instead of posting bits of chat logs and parts of conversations -- can\'t you just respond intelligently to what I said? Can\'t we agree that flame-fests should stay out of the tavern, and out of the public chat -- period?
There just isn\'t any point to this bickering anymore. No one is willing to move on anything. All we can do is agree to disagree at this stage, but it seems like I\'m the only one who\'s willing to do even that. I don\'t care if it\'s with you, Ganinos, or anyone else. When it starts to interfere with OTHER players in the community, then it has to stop NOW.
I can accept that we don\'t get along. When Ganinos came in and starting insulting me and hounding me for having a bad thing to say about Bodacher, then yes I\'m going to say he was trying to start something. But posting the end of a long conversation, when a lot was said before that and even more was said after? Please. Just what are you trying to prove, and how do you think that will help anything?
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If you wish to bicker amongst yourselves, take it to pms. Further arguing will be deleted.
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Me and shal were talking about this a bit before and after this event.. it started with Shal saying something about a DC member and then i backed the DC member up then we had a talk and then ganinos came in and etc.
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Thnxs Darkw00t,
I did not like to respond in here anymore.
It\'s a never ending fight between some
of the Dragon Council and Shalmaneser.
I ask you to stop picking on eachother and play
PS more.
What has happenened in the past, let it be
the past.
For me PS is fun, while playing.
Lets keep it this way.
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Guys, any further discussion of the matter should be taken to PMs or private guild forums.
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Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
Guys, any further discussion of the matter should be taken to PMs or private guild forums.
Huh? Aendars gotten soft! 8o
Deleat the thread and every post any of them have ever made in the forum! :D
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Bodacher is back in DC
Meriner will return soon back in DC.
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With great sadness with heard that aucices has stopped playing PS for the moment :(
I hope he will return back.
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Originally posted by gladiator76
With great sadness with heard that aucices has stopped playing PS for the moment :(
I hope he will return back.
I\'m afraid to say I\'m in a similar boat, RL\'s not doing me any favors at the moment, and I simply don\'t have the time to go online. I will come in as and when I get the chance however.
Sedona
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Good luck with both your RL issues. May we see you shortly.
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On a glad note (I hope LOL)
I\'m back in PS. Probably not as much yet as before but back nonetheless :D
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Thats good to here Meriner. If you ever have time (and I am on :P) come by \'he Broken Door Tavern in Akkaio. I should be there friend.
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Will be sure to keep a lookout for you :)
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I say we all war with Shal\'s guild.
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Originally posted by shorty13
I say we all war with Shal\'s guild.
You\'ve lost both times, you really want to make it a 3rd?
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\"You\'ve lost both times, you really want to make it a 3rd?\"
--zanzibar
WTH are you talkin about???
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Originally posted by Sangwa
Good luck with both your RL issues. May we see you shortly.
I\'d hoped to be back sooner, but my PC\'s mainboard caught fire, putting me out of action for yet another month. (its gonna take me that long to get the new parts)
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Originally posted by Pestilence: I\'m back in PS. Probably not as much yet as before but back nonetheless :D
/me does a little Dwarvish Jig.
So delighted to have you back, M\'Lord--Looking forward to seeing you again!
/me bows and jigs away....
Sedona wrote: I\'d hoped to be back sooner, but my PC\'s mainboard caught fire[/b], putting me out of action for yet another month. (its gonna take me that long to get the new parts)
YIKES! Don\'t hear about that happening very often! Hope you\'re O.K. and hope you\'ll be back soon! :)
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Originally posted by Danok
Sedona wrote: I\'d hoped to be back sooner, but my PC\'s mainboard caught fire[/b], putting me out of action for yet another month. (its gonna take me that long to get the new parts)
YIKES! Don\'t hear about that happening very often! Hope you\'re O.K. and hope you\'ll be back soon! :)
Oh I\'m fine, just frustrated... Its no fun when the only machine you can use is a worn out piece of junk thats barely got the power to check emails :-(..
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Originally posted by zanzibar
Originally posted by shorty13
I say we all war with Shal\'s guild.
You\'ve lost both times, you really want to make it a 3rd?
I\'m hoping you are talking about duels as I can\'t remember you winning the guildwar you were a part of. Quite the contrary even. ;)
Originally posted by Danok
So delighted to have you back, M\'Lord--Looking forward to seeing you again!
Glad to hear it\'s a happy note for most ;)
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I wasn\'t talking about duels. \";)\"
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To Shal: Then what?
To Meriner: Glad to see you around again Meriner
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/me looks at Shal
I am wondering that aswell ;)
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hmm... shal still argueing about DC.. you need to get over it mate, after all times have changed and all you are doing is making it worse for yourself if you continue to argue
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Originally posted by darkw00t
hmm... shal still argueing about DC.. you need to get over it mate, after all times have changed and all you are doing is making it worse for yourself if you continue to argue
If your comment is in-character, then I recomend that you follow forum rules and keep the role-playing in game.
If your comment is out-of-character, then you should endeavor to be less rude. After what happened tonight, I think it\'s pretty obvious that I\'m not the one who needs to move on.
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well what happened tonight?.. also I also do kinda of need to move on in a way as well, i know you have had bad experiences in the past but that is the past i hope things will work out in the future
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Originally posted by darkw00t
well what happened tonight?.. also I also do kinda of need to move on in a way as well, i know you have had bad experiences in the past but that is the past i hope things will work out in the future
It\'s only been in the past because I\'ve made a point of avoiding contact.
I have other things to say, but I\'m sending you them in the form of a PM.
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hmmm so again acusations without proof and this time even without true acusations?
Now I comment you for keeping it to PMs but why then post about it here? And why PM to other people then Rioth about it I wonder.
Specially seeing your earlier accusations against us have still not been proven unlike ours against your behavior (proof satisfying GMs and not just us) I think this is again a strange way to act.
Or don\'t talk about it and solve it in PMs or atleast speak out and acuse us openly with proof in hand so we may have the chance to defend ourselves
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Originally posted by Pestilence
hmmm so again acusations without proof and this time even without true acusations?
Now I comment you for keeping it to PMs but why then post about it here? And why PM to other people then Rioth about it I wonder.
Specially seeing your earlier accusations against us have still not been proven unlike ours against your behavior (proof satisfying GMs and not just us) I think this is again a strange way to act.
Or don\'t talk about it and solve it in PMs or atleast speak out and acuse us openly with proof in hand so we may have the chance to defend ourselves
Right... you think I haven\'t talked to Rioth, as well as others? Whenever I\'ve tried talking to you people intelligently, I\'ve been met with insults, closed ears, and universal denials. Somewhere along the line, I decided that it just wasn\'t worth the grief.
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insults? The only insults I remember were of yourself Shal. So even if other of the guild made them without my knowledge you can hardly say in was uncalled for with your behaviour.
Intelligent conversation? The only times you came to me you normally started of with an insult to the Dragon Council in your first sentence. How can you call that a serious attempt for serious intelligent conversation?
Did I ever insult you or the guild you were part of? I think not. The only thing I ever said was that I would take my guildbrothers word over yours unless you had atleast some proof. With your behavior who could blame me? This doesn\'t mean we didn\'t look into this ourselves
We even had an objective guild that was unrelated to us investigate if they could find the behavior you mentioned in our members.
Now I have asked for this a million times. If this happens ALL the time why don\'t you have logs or screen shots or even a single objective witness? Why were you the one banned and has not even one of our guildmembers been strucken with this?
Again bring proof and I\'ll look. Don\'t insult the guild or me and I am always willing to listen to your words.
But accuse us of the same things over and over again and don\'t ever bring any evidence to the table and ofcourse we will stop listening at one point.
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*SIGH*
Shal, why do you have to keep causing arguements? You act half-assed to just about everything you see, then you act like we should treat you special? I\'ll show a few people a funny quote from you if I can dig out the thread it came from.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
insults? The only insults I remember were of yourself Shal. So even if other of the guild made them without my knowledge you can hardly say in was uncalled for with your behaviour.
Intelligent conversation? The only times you came to me you normally started of with an insult to the Dragon Council in your first sentence. How can you call that a serious attempt for serious intelligent conversation?
Did I ever insult you or the guild you were part of? I think not. The only thing I ever said was that I would take my guildbrothers word over yours unless you had atleast some proof. With your behavior who could blame me? This doesn\'t mean we didn\'t look into this ourselves
We even had an objective guild that was unrelated to us investigate if they could find the behavior you mentioned in our members.
Now I have asked for this a million times. If this happens ALL the time why don\'t you have logs or screen shots or even a single objective witness? Why were you the one banned and has not even one of our guildmembers been strucken with this?
Again bring proof and I\'ll look. Don\'t insult the guild or me and I am always willing to listen to your words.
But accuse us of the same things over and over again and don\'t ever bring any evidence to the table and ofcourse we will stop listening at one point.
Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by Suno_Regin
*SIGH*
Shal, why do you have to keep causing arguements? You act half-assed to just about everything you see, then you act like we should treat you special? I\'ll show a few people a funny quote from you if I can dig out the thread it came from.
I\'m not causing anything. I\'m responding to questions posed to me. I don\'t expect special treatment from you and I don\'t believe I ever suggested such a ludicrous statement.
If anyone is SERIOUS about talking to me, then do it privately. When things get talked about publically, people tend to put on a show for the sake of appearances. I\'m not interested in that sort of dialogue, plus this conversation shouldn\'t be happening in this thread anyway.
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Like i stated before.
Lets forget the past and move on.
Stop the arguements from both sides.
I stated this before and now like to state it again.
We can not change the past anymore, so why still bother about it. We all have made mistakes and hopefully we have alll learned from it.
The conversations about good or bad should come to an end, because i see it\'s getting us all nowhere.
All the arguements continue because of a few kinds of incidents, that are way behind us for some time already.
And if there are new incidents from now on with a member of the Dragon Council, keep logs and send them to Rioth, Tarel, Meriner or Ganinos. We all 4 will look at the logs and we will take the action we think it\'s the best within the guidelines of Planeshift and the GM\'s.
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Thank you Tarel. I agree that part of the problem is people seeing things in terms of black and white / entirely good or entirely bad.
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*raises an eyebrow and looks at Shal but decides not to respond*
I guess you\'re right Tarel. Lets focus on the future.
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Without good, there is no bad, and without bad, there is no good. Everything and everyone is usefull and needed, no matter for what purpose. That\'s why wars are useless: balance will always return...
I\'m glad it\'s all behind now :tup:
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Originally posted by Avarus
Without good, there is no bad, and without bad, there is no good. Everything and everyone is usefull and needed, no matter for what purpose. That\'s why wars are useless: balance will always return...
I\'m glad it\'s all behind now :tup:
Again, this isn\'t even a matter of \"good versus bad\". This is about good people who make mistakes.
edit: I\'m talking about our completley OOC disagreements. In game resentments and reputations are entirely IC, but CERTAIN ACTIONS have made it obvious that it\'s more than just role-playing.
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What is this 6 months later and stilll people bickering about DC? DC has good members.. and they seemed to trim down their ranks by quite a bit and I think that in itself makes teh guild better because they can be more efficient and be a closer knit group. They seem to be moving in the right direction, and Meriner is back. And I still stick by my words in earlier posts.. however DCs future looks bright.
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*pokes people*
future people future ;)
Don\'t make me call Karyuu now *grins*
Glad to hear that Valbrandr :)
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hmmm threatening to bring in Karyuu actually worked ;)
Anyhow everyone is invited to go visit the shop run by Bodacher. I think it\'s a great succes and hope people will go have a look if they haven\'t already. :)
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ahh was bored so made this. ;)
From the depths of the labyrinth the dragon family came
A strange house they build that soon aquired a lot of fame
Not the house alone but also their blood was talk about
So much the family came together for staying was in doubt
Their blood made them cast magic without a glyph nearby
They tried to hide this fact but soon could not deny
The other people did not know what to think of this
How did they get this power was there something amiss?
But many had made ties at this place and so the dragons stayed
And it didn\'t take to long are the people were no longer afraid
The family proved itself hardworking and soon it\'s fortune was made
And soon to all corners of the country their name was relayed
Then the peace was broken and all people took up arms to defend
But the dragon family wasn\'t asked and they did not attend
Many lands joined forces to throw back the dark knights
but nothing was enough to stop them after many figths
The army of the alliance was driven to the Dragons house
Their beginning grand morale now shrunken to only a mouse
The leader knocked and asked the dragons to join the cause
As the dragons joined the army everywhere was heard applause
The dragon warriors looked amazing and hope bloomed again
The warriors were perhaps not many but each fought for ten
The army decided to take the fight to the dark knights
Invigorated the army moved quick walking for two nights
Then the army saw it\'s enemy and poured down on the dark ones
And toward the dark knight the army looked like titans
but with victory the dark army had grown even larger still
and as their numbers pressed on the fight soon became uphill
The alliance lost its leaders and things looked very grim
but a large shadow appeared and the dragons started a hymm
The Dragon family\'s Lord jumped down within the Dark Knights
As they saw their leader they were all filled with a light
What happened then noone knows exactly but this is for sure
The tide turned and soon the battlefield was tottally secure
But tired of war the dragons retreated after the battle
To leave these lands to find somewhere even more peacefull
Some children stayed behind with half the dragon in them
And so a council came to be a shield against the mayhem
Many years from these events but still the blood that binds
The blood to watered for it\'s gifts exept it\'s still in their minds
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It\'s a nice story. :)
I hope you will be more bored. :P
Then we get more fun stories.
But we need you ingame too. :)
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Well Rioth pretty much made up the story line in history I just altered it a little and stuffed it in rhyme form ;)
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You surely have checked your commence of me in the Caves ;)
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tsk...
is this the first forum suicide? Or should I have used (http://planeshift.oodlz.com/wbboard/images/ps/top_suche.gif) for that?
Out Of Sarcasm:
too bad things like this happen. My sympathies to the persons involved.
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I wasn\'t familiar with your character Tarel, but I was getting my hopes high with Serem...
Well, it\'s sad to see you go.
PS: This must be the best \"I will leave\" post I\'ve seen, since you\'ve bothered to RP Tarel\'s leaving and death.
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Well hasn\'t been posted here so should make an announcement about it I guess ;)
Both Tarel and Bodacher rejoined the DC after talks with our leader Rioth. I was very please to hear this news.
(a week ago already but OK ;) )
Hope everyone will rejoice with us about the DC being whole once again.
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The DC is not whole. Tarel and Bodacher joined at Rioth\'s request to help keep the guild from falling apart.
I hate to say I told you so. You\'re facing these same problems from clashing egos, mutual mistrust, and this inability to appologize or give ground when others feel injured. I feel that you are all capable of moving past it, and after it all you\'re not a bad guild relative to most. But you have to learn how to admit when you\'ve made a mistake.
I wouldn\'t have said anything, but Meriner, your post reads like you\'re trying to make everything smell like flowers. Like I said, I\'m sure that you can all grow from this if you decide to, but you can\'t do it if you\'re going to pretend that everything is flowers.
Here\'s to the Dragon Council, if only so that the Dark Empire can have a worthy opponent!
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/me looks at Zanzibar in amazement.
Giving something a positive spin isn\'t a bad thing.
Anyhow two people leaving isn\'t falling apart and as I said they returned so what you are getting that from?
Ofcourse you will have conflicts and in a game like PS ofcourse people will be leaving. If you can\'t survive that you don\'t deserve your place in PS.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
/me looks at Zanzibar in amazement.
Giving something a positive spin isn\'t a bad thing.
Anyhow two people leaving isn\'t falling apart and as I said they returned so what you are getting that from?
Ofcourse you will have conflicts and in a game like PS ofcourse people will be leaving. If you can\'t survive that you don\'t deserve your place in PS.
Wow. Mixing up IC and OOC actions and egos much?
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looking at you in amazement isn\'t a nececarily IC action Zanzibar ;)
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Originally posted by Pestilence
looking at you in amazement isn\'t a nececarily IC action Zanzibar ;)
\"Ofcourse you will have conflicts and in a game like PS ofcourse people will be leaving. If you can\'t survive that you don\'t deserve your place in PS. \"
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And? I don\'t see how this is mixing my IC \"ego\" as you put it ;)
It\'s simply true even if it is only alpha it\'s true in any game.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
And? I don\'t see how this is mixing my IC \"ego\" as you put it ;)
It\'s simply true even if it is only alpha it\'s true in any game.
There is a history of reacting to in game, in character words and actions in out of game, out of character ways. It\'s just a fact, and I don\'t see what the advantage is for you in going into further detail.
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Zanzibar this is the forums. Some may have their introduction IC but the DC doesn\'t nor does the majority as far as I can see.
If your remarks before were IC then you are the one mixing IC and OOC statements and actions.
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Originally posted by Pestilence
Zanzibar this is the forums. Some may have their introduction IC but the DC doesn\'t nor does the majority as far as I can see.
If your remarks before were IC then you are the one mixing IC and OOC statements and actions.
You\'re clouding the issue and ignoring what I\'m trying say. This is not an issue I feel like going into with detail, and it\'s hardly a conversation that would benefit you so I don\'t see what advantage there is in continuing it since neither of us are interested in discussing the \"other\" (original) matter.
(edit) If you don\'t respond to private messages, then why pretend to be interested in a private dialogue...
(edit times 2) Apparently, no one is interesting in talking via private messages.
You\'ve been very dishonest in all this... saying that you\'re interested in talking, but you don\'t want to talk where others can see it. I\'ve tried to respect that now and then, but you turn silent and never respond. It\'s very disingenuous.
You aren\'t interested in communication, you aren\'t interested in taking advice from others. You just want to protect the image of your guild at all costs and by all means, and I think that it\'s one of the things that\'s hurting your guild and preventing it from being more than it is. Good luck in the future, I hope you\'re able to turn yourselves around.
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*shakes his head*
Why keep acusing me? Specially of things you yourself are making yourself guilty of?
\"You\'re clouding the issue and ignoring the facts. \"
You\'re the one who keeps bringing in other things and refuse to give a normal straight answer. Your the one ignoriing the facts of what the \"discusion\" is about.
\"neither of us are interested in discussing the \"other\" (original) matter. \"
Again wrong. You never wanted to discus it. You acused several people who all said they didn\'t do such a thing and the only thing you did was get mad becuase not everyone believed you over those others. I offered to have a talk with you so you could give more details and any proof you would have but you weren\'t interested and didn\'t even want to give the logs.
Also proof of you clouding the discussion by bringing in other things.
\"This is not an issues I feel like going into with detail, and it\'s hardly a conversation that would benefit you \"
There is no issue in this case. guildforums are not IC unless stated otherwise. Simple. I don\'t see there being any more details to go into so guess it would indeed have no benefit to go into it deeper.
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What am I accusing you of? What questions am I avoiding? As far as I know, I\'m being very plain here.
And no, the \"original\" matter was Tarel leaving and returning to the DC...
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*raises an eyebrow*
If you don\'t get it by now who am I to tell you ... again
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Tell me what? My PM box is always open you know.
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That\'s actually a good idea. May I poke you guys to take the discussion to PMs, if you plan on continuing it? There\'s nothing wrong with a certain amount of one-on-one exchanges, but it\'d be nice if it could be taken elsewhere after 15 posts (one post away). Especially since this has sort of become one debating what the other has said/meant ;)
Sorry for intruding!
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\"Debating\" suggests that I\'m telling him what he\'s saying... I would hope I\'m not so presumptuous!
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Please stop discussing about this all.
Like i said some times before,
let the past be the past and move on.
The discussions are leading no where
and it does not add anything to Planeshift or
the Dragon Council.
We can keep on arguing, but i am getting tired of it
to see it continue and continue for months.
I agree with Karyuu, that those arguements can better be done in PM\'s, instead of keeping spamming this DC-topic.
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I wish I could join in on the fun and get back into PS, but the rebuilt machine flat refuses to accept any of my graphics cards, leaving me with the weak pos thats built into it. :(
I dunno why, but I can play another mmorpg (AO) and go in as Sedona until I find a way to finance a major upgrade (don\'t hold your breath, it\'ll be a while... )
Take care my friends and remember I\'m always here, even if I can\'t join the rp.
Sedona
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welcome back Sedona.
i never forgot you.
are you coming to the DC-forums too?
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Originally posted by gladiator76
welcome back Sedona.
i never forgot you.
are you coming to the DC-forums too?
sure, would love to... umm I just remembered, I lost the url when the old comp went up in smoke, would you email it to me? (I pmed my email address) :P
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http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/
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wow...i was just reading some of the random pages on here...things got pretty heated up at points...
see you guys in the forum
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yup see you there.. hope to see you online soon too ;)
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psh...if the mirrors ever go up...the last couple days i have tried a bunch of different mmorpgs...but non of them compare to plane shift....i went on to rubies of eventide...and everyone cussed every 10 sec...it got very annoying and i tried to be a mage...and i couldn\'t even see myself cast anything....and it lagged horribly...i\'m deffinitly sticking with planeshift..
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I would like to join the Dragon Council. I would also like to learn more of Planeshift. I would be a honor, no, privalidge if you allowed me to join.
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Hi Mentak always glad to accept more fenki :)
http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/
Please register on the forums there and make a post in the application section. Just tell them I sent you ;)
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Tis\' Eleloy reporting, i\'ll give DC the *two thumbs up*.. great guild! (Oh and hi everyone) and yes, it\'s been a while eh?
EDIT- For Meriner, i WAS in DC :P, it\'s just been a long time
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Glad to hear you like our guild :)
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*grins* Well have had many members in the last year ;)
Did you have the same nickname?
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Just popping by, not to spam the topic, just to say hello ;)
Hopefully, we meet ingame somewhere!
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Hi Thedrish :)
Always welcome to pop by ;)
hehe notable is a nice title
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hehe notable is a nice title
The new title or ranks are nice :thumbup:
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Trist-Hello there^^
Not wishing to mess up threads or anything but i was wondering about joining your guild and i wish to learn more by spending time with the members of the guild.
I have met a fair few and spent most of my newbie day with them' They are a very nice set of people/Friends and i am hopeing maybe to meet you in person Roith and get a more well rounded veiw of your guild.
I myself am a dragon by nature enjoying a wise discussion and an honroble outset in life. My story behind me being a dragon i belive well thought out and i have begun writing a book about it. I have no allignment to a side and hope that this can remain so even inside your guild, I am afraid that i will be pulled into the fray on a certain side if i join and i do not wish this but if a side could exsist that did not enter the fighting but quietly observed and configured the outcome and what was to be done to help i would be more than happy to allign with your guild and try my hardest to contribe to your couse^^.
i only hope that you (or any member old or new of the Dragon Council) will contact me to spend some time together as to get to know you and your guild.:)
Thank you^^
Trist of the Dragonada
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As time went by, you have become a proud member of our Guild 8)
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Hi everybody,
[OOC] I believe I never introduced myself to the whole community. It's been several monthes since I entered the DC and I'm very happy about that. Planeshift is my first MMORPG and I'm already fond of it \\o//
I'm 24 and live in Paris (France :thumbup:).
[IC] My name is Beladoor Celadung [bling bling name eh ;D], I am a young male stonebreaker, during my childhood I looked at my father working on great weapons and listened to my mother's tales about Crystal Way. Now I try to become a paladin, mixing my knowledge in weapons and magic to help others and keep peace in Yliakum. Recently, I was involved in the war against Dwarvesbane, joined the Dwarven Star to assist all my brothers and got several wounds in battles, but it helped me gain experience in war.
As peace came back in Hydlaa, I returned to the DC and joyously met up with my friends.
Some people may consider me impulsive and young but it just a way for me to hide my fears and prove my courage.
/me waves all the audience and leaves. He is on his way to Harnquist's and hopes he will meet nice people there to chill a bit...
[OOC] Feel free to ask for more infos...
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Hello their people of the dragon council. This is my first post on this forum so bear with me. I would like to join your guild and was told by your members to go and register on your website. Sadly your website is unavailible for the time being. and i would just like to point out how keen i am to joining the dragon council and would like to make myself known. And i would be very hournerd if you let me join. And i would never turn the privalige down. :)
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Please consider to put your application in The Dragon Council Forums (http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/phpBB2/).
Don't forget to get some hints about yourself (char) and why you want to get in, everyone will check your application and comment :)
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We will be on the look out for you Gontak!
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sadly I noticed the website being down aswell. Thankfully the forums are still up :)
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Update: work is being done to solve the problem, but due to the vacation period, it will take some time ???
So if you are interested in The Dragon Council, please visit our forums: link (http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/phpBB2/).
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Just mentioning Meriner is no longer Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council. This is sadly becuase od OOC reasons and not really IC reasons but decided that with me playing Meriner less that it would not be fair to the guild and so I demoted myself. Meriner is still a member but will not be seen much ingame.
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Avete omnes!
I'm glad to inform you that I am the bearer of good news. The website has returned to its original location on the world wide web: http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr. And is once again fully operational. So, don't be shy and please pay a visit! ^^
Valete et vadete in pace!
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Just mentioning Meriner is no longer Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council.
Nevertheless, Meriner is still a valued member of The Dragon Council.
And we respect his choice and thank him for all the good work he has done.
This does not mean the position is vacant. The position of Dragon Grand Master is now filled in by Ganinos Haninorer.
And together with his promotion came two other promotions: both Esserfin Sussert and Nathaluth Sumaza are each promoted to the rank of Dragon High Master.
\\o//
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Just mentioning Meriner is no longer Dragon High Master in the Dragon Council.
Nevertheless, Meriner is still a valued member of The Dragon Council.
And we respect his choice and thank him for all the good work he has done.
This does not mean the position is vacant. The position of Dragon Grand Master is now filled in by Ganinos Haninorer.
Aww... just when I was going to apply...
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This does not mean the position is vacant. The position of Dragon Grand Master is now filled in by Ganinos Haninorer.
\\o// Well done Ganinos! Congratulations!
/me give Ganinos a strawberry
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Ganinos likes strawberries???
hehehe
*me goes to Ganinos with blueberries
Try these! there better!
mmmmmm....i love blueberries...
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/me laughs
now that would be a challenge indeed. Survive Phinehas becoming a member. :devil:
And who cares if you like strawberries or not if it's Zorbels feeding them to you? ;)
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I like this. I t very much looks like you will be a succsessful guild, and will be around for a good while.
I wish you all the best for the future.
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I like this.
I don't, but they've done fairly good despite my criticism. I don't think this is the best guild in the world or anything, but they have done a decent job. Shame about the whole "dragon" thing, but...
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I like this.
I don't, but they've done fairly good despite my criticism. I don't think this is the best guild in the world or anything, but they have done a decent job. Shame about the whole "dragon" thing, but...
I agree. All of the dragon thing is a bit over the top, but nevertheless, a good Guild in my opinion.
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I like this.
I don't, but they've done fairly good despite my criticism. I don't think this is the best guild in the world or anything, but they have done a decent job. Shame about the whole "dragon" thing, but...
I agree. All of the dragon thing is a bit over the top, but nevertheless, a good Guild in my opinion.
Most likely. I wouldn't know as I haven't been able to get in-game for the last year. They're not very active in the forums, I don't think.
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Most likely. I wouldn't know as I haven't been able to get in-game for the last year. They're not very active in the forums, I don't think.
It will be a shame if it does not stay together. The 1st posts of history and things at the front are good.
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we've been around for a lonnnnnnng while..
we don't get on the planeshift forums much because we talk and spam too much in our own forums :P
lol...well...the Dragons thing, w/e...
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hmm well we have some active members posting here but I have been the one mostly keeping an eye on this thread and believe you can hardly say I haven't been looking around the forums Phinehas.
And on our own forums and ingame you'll see enough of us to know the Dragon Council is still around and active.
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I don't, but they've done fairly good despite my criticism. I don't think this is the best guild in the world or anything, but they have done a decent job. Shame about the whole "dragon" thing, but...
back when I was a GM I had a long long chat with another GM (higher then me... wait... dev actually) and we decided to go ahead and change TDC's name.
big mistake, number 2 on the 'biggest mistakes GM Zayek has everr made' list
we didn't ask about TDC members for a RP reason at the time I renamed it, had other thinsg to take care of too.
man, my ass was sore for a week after the spankin Venge gave me for that...
acraig saved the day though, restored normality, he's my hereo <3
thats why TDC stands as is, and always will
Dragon ratters however, doesn't look to have a bright future with what they ahve in mind :\
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hmm have to agree. They don't seem to have an IC explanation that fits the PSsetting.
Also something to think of is that these days the naming policy is said to be enforced more strictly so what might have passed before might not even be enough to get you exused today. Just think of the names some people have/had who are with us since MB. Several wouldn't be allowed anymore.
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yeah, a lot of MB names needed to be changed, however, those that converted from MB with their original name get the ring of the past and some start off tria for their rubies, after that a lot approached GM's for renames, when the naming policy was fronted anyway, those that didnt I chased about and got a few suggestions out of, so many don't even play anymore though.
mrrr, I want my ring of the past T_T
but no, TDC passed the RP req for their name (after i made the mistake, hell broke out, acraig fixed etc etc) since it did pass, even if it doesnt now it wouldnt be fair to all of a sudden slap it up with a new name. it's been around too long to do that
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Just being random, but...I think FLCL took over your brain, Keyaz. You're nothing like I remember, more...what's that pink-headed girl's name? But anyway, more like her. =/
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trying to keep a brighter outlook on life, I've been a grunpy sheite way too much, too much stress, too much pain, blah de blah and all that maple syrup.
y'know.. I think somethign in my head snapped, 'cause I just keep grinning ^_^
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That's good. =P
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y'know.. I think somethign in my head snapped, 'cause I just keep grinning ^_^
Grinning is good ;D
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hmm well we have some active members posting here but I have been the one mostly keeping an eye on this thread and believe you can hardly say I haven't been looking around the forums Phinehas.
And on our own forums and ingame you'll see enough of us to know the Dragon Council is still around and active.
I suppose I didn't realize that you were in this guild. I don't think I've ever heard you mention it before, and I've been gone too long to know who's in what guild without it being in your signature...
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Exept in this thread obviously I haven't been overly making a fuzz out of it ;)
My character afterall is in the Dragon Council ;)
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I think the Dragon Council is not a guild, who will fade away and get forgotten.
Just like with the Dark Empire.
There were moments, when everyone heard less about both, but they remained both existing in Planeshift and always will remain.
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I think the Dragon Council is not a guild, who will fade away and get forgotten.
Perhaps, but that remains to be seen. Unlike the DE, there are many who wish that the DC would fade away, so they could forget them.
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Unlike the DE?
/me smiles
Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.
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Just being random, but...I think FLCL took over your brain, Keyaz. You're nothing like I remember, more...what's that pink-headed girl's name? But anyway, more like her. =/
There's a difference between outlook and tone.
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Unlike the DE?
/me smiles
Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.
And that goes to show how much you know.
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hmmm seeing you didn't even know I was a member of the DC Phinehas that sounds kind of strange coming from you.
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hmmm seeing you didn't even know I was a member of the DC Phinehas that sounds kind of strange coming from you.
Maybe, but that doesn't mean he's wrong.
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Allow me to rephrase.
"And that just goes to show how much you truly comprehend of what you have been made aware of."
Better?
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/me smiles
Indeed much better although I don't agree ;)
Why did I expect that post from Zanz already? ;D
I think I know a lot of what goes on in the DC and seeing my alts aren't DC I also think I know atleast the general feel people have about the DC so if there was a problem as big as you imply I would know about it. Only external thread really to DC would be the GMs reconsidering their namingdecicion and have recently been asured that wont happen. So that leaves in the guild itself and as I said seen enough people online and know the people in the guild good enough not to worry about that either.
If you want to be more specific about something that would cause the DC to dissapear I would love to hear it, but doubt anything that big exists at this time.
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Ah. But who said it was one large thing?
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*Nathaluth smiles.
May I then ask you to be so kind as to sum up all the small matters which combined are a large enough "thing" which will eventually lead to the disappearance of the Dragon Council, which has already been around for more than one year and a half? Please. For I believe it might clearify matters, at the very least it would clear things up for me.
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Why did I expect that post from Zanz already?
One should always expect the truth from me.
I don't think the Dragon Council will disapear. Its core members are dedicated and they've shown the capacity to stick together despite internal conflicts. The real question is what form will the Dragon Council take and how will it exist. At one point, it was a mass recruiting guild with well over 200 members. Later on, it was tightly micromanaged with not even 30 members. It's also possible that the history and background story will be changed to give the DC a greater purpose than just levelling up and helping others. At one point, the DC was even leaning towards being more of a merchant class guild, but only because of the actions of its members in game.
So while the DC won't disapear, I think it's unlikely it won't continue to evolve and change.
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Just one correction we never went above 200 members ;) That was another guild. Keepers of the Faith or something? Well atleast that real massrecruiting guild after the Guardians of the Way that went that high in one week and was dead three weeks after that :P. We only had 150 members at one point becuase we did recruit quite a bit and didn't delete inactives and there had not been a wipe in a long time. As soon as we did start deleting them we went down to around 50 again. If we wouldn't delete inactives and we still had that list I am sure we would show as decievingly high aswelll as would other guilds who would not clean up.
Our number of active people however has remained rather constant, but ofcourse in the beginning you are still setting up your coreteam so you need more freshblood and more active recruiting ;)
And being flexible and being able to evolve is one of the reasons the DC is still around ;)
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I think the Dragon Council is not a guild, who will fade away and get forgotten.
Perhaps, but that remains to be seen. Unlike the DE, there are many who wish that the DC would fade away, so they could forget them.
This is what I originally said, at least in this section of the conversation. You may notice I said nothing about them dying or enemies killing them, or anything of that sort whatsoever. That's why I was amused at Pestilence's response, because he's assuming that I said that the DC is going to die.
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Unlike the DE?
/me smiles
Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.
And that goes to show how much you know.
Sure but we aren't talking about just that anymore now are we? Strangely you still haven't elaborated on what you ment with this.
I mean, as I see it, I said there weren't any problems worth mentioning and you reply with "And that goes to show how much you know."
To me that would mean that it shows where the limit of my knowledge is becuase there ARE problems worth mentioning in your opinion. I mean if there really aren't any problems to know about, not knowing about any could mean I am an idiot who never looked, but could also mean I'm a genius who looked at every possible angle and still didn't find anything.
So perhaps you weren't the one who said we would fade away but obviously you did want to atleast make us think you know of problems for the DC.
Would love to hear those problems I apparently don't know about.
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Would love to hear those problems I apparently don't know about.
But we already know where that song and dance ends up.:)
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Unlike the DE?
/me smiles
Anyhow enemies are really the way to keep something alive Phinehas. But atm DC isn't in any troubles I think. Me stepping down is the only big thing happening, but still a member and almost always when I am onlie there is atleast one other online so were this the DC is having trouble is coming from I'm not sure. I definately see more of our member then other guilds who claim to be really active.
And that goes to show how much you know.
Sure but we aren't talking about just that anymore now are we? Strangely you still haven't elaborated on what you ment with this.
I mean, as I see it, I said there weren't any problems worth mentioning and you reply with "And that goes to show how much you know."
To me that would mean that it shows where the limit of my knowledge is becuase there ARE problems worth mentioning in your opinion.
That goes to show how much you know. ;)
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At one point, it was a mass recruiting guild with well over 200 members. Later on, it was tightly micromanaged with not even 30 members.
Well.. Let's rather say our recruiting policy was different from what we have now. And more to that, we never really bothered to kick inactive people, as we always thought people might just come back someday. Well we've been proved wrong, and the wipe did the cleaning for us. In fact, we've been experiencing a good many different recruiting policies since then. Some of which were more successful on a short term, others bringing more benefits on the long term.
It's also possible that the history and background story will be changed to give the DC a greater purpose than just levelling up and helping others.
I wouldn't say the history will be changed. Rather expanded. Besides, our history and background aren't providing a levelling up purpose (I wonder where you got that..). The 'helping others' part can also be understood in many different ways than the one we use it at the moment. I think that you should just keep in mind that our true goals are to retrieve our lost legacy (hence expanding our background and history) and to be a pillar of support of Yliakum.
At one point, the DC was even leaning towards being more of a merchant class guild, but only because of the actions of its members in game.
The Dragon Council isn't a simple 'fighters' guild or 'crafters' guild or whatever else. It has a complexe structure allowing us to live as a big family without relying on anyone else. If some Clans of the guild are more expressed ingame than others, it's mostly because of the features currently availible in PS. Also.. We never do things just like that ingame from scratch (except for some guild events :P). Doing something as big as opening a player held shop required a good deal of planning beforehand. We have our own forums and we use them massively.
The real question is what form will the Dragon Council take and how will it exist.
A most important point indeed. Likely going to depend on the kind of members we get (minners, cooks, mages..) and on the features availible in PS that would upgrade some of the RP to a whole different level.
So while the DC won't disapear, I think it's unlikely it won't continue to evolve and change.
Well.. Can anything survive in a constantly evolving world without evolving itself? ;)
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What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.
By the way, I don't suppose you could get Meriner to stop spamming the Dark Empire's thread? He knows I'm not even in that guild, right?:)
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/me smiles
I know that Zanz. but you posting there is hardly the reason I started posting there. infact I replied to Sangwa's post. That you find it strange that people sometimes actually read and respond to your posts tells more about you I think.
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What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.
Please exlain why. Our organisation is far from being complete, constructive criticism is most welcome.
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/me smiles
I know that Zanz. but you posting there is hardly the reason I started posting there. infact I replied to Sangwa's post. That you find it strange that people sometimes actually read and respond to your posts tells more about you I think.
Dude, you've been spamming the thread for a while now.
What you call complex, I call loose and undefined.
Please exlain why. Our organisation is far from being complete, constructive criticism is most welcome.
Constructive critisism is NOT welcomed. Whenever I give you guys constructive criticism, you drag my name through the mud then try to get me banned.
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Can we keep OOC conflicts outside of guild threads please?
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well, what if you just pmed lord rioth, so therefor, you can keep it quiet, and there will be no news of what you said other than to lord rioth.
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Or what about this:
We simply respect that we have different opinions. For no matter how long and throughly we discuss this matter, I don't see how it's ever going to make a difference. You'll just stick with your opinion and we'll stick with ours. There's simply no point in argueing about it. Now, I respect the fact that you have a different perspective than I do; and I respect that you have an opinion. However that does not mean that I agree with you. Can't we just simply agree to disagree and leave it at that?
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Or what about this:
We simply respect that we have different opinions. For no matter how long and throughly we discuss this matter, I don't see how it's ever going to make a difference. You'll just stick with your opinion and we'll stick with ours. There's simply no point in argueing about it. Now, I respect the fact that you have a different perspective than I do; and I respect that you have an opinion. However that does not mean that I agree with you. Can't we just simply agree to disagree and leave it at that?
No. You must die!
*ahem*
Sorry.
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...*sigh* spammers
Very well put Nath!
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@Phinehas: Very well, appolgies accepted.
@Kyzer: Thanks Ky, I just hope we can put an end to this constant bickering, it has no point what so ever.
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Or what about this:
We simply respect that we have different opinions. For no matter how long and throughly we discuss this matter, I don't see how it's ever going to make a difference. You'll just stick with your opinion and we'll stick with ours. There's simply no point in argueing about it. Now, I respect the fact that you have a different perspective than I do; and I respect that you have an opinion. However that does not mean that I agree with you. Can't we just simply agree to disagree and leave it at that?
No. You must die!
*ahem*
Sorry.
I really doubt Phinehas was apologizing to you in this post. That sorry was part of the "No. You must die!" joke thing. I believe the true nature of that post was to make you feel how little he cares about _your_ opinion. That's Phin.
Anyway.
What is DC's current status? I mean, short term goals, mid term goals, long term goals, activeness, diplomacy, etc. Haven't had the chance to ask you guys ingame. Last time I saw one of you there he gritted his teeth and questioned my presence amidst his friends.
EDIT: It was erraneous due to a definition from dictionary.com I had added.
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test 12
I beg your pardon?
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Beg all you want. I won't give it.
Oh.
For some reason I wasn't able to post what I wished. So I tested first then edited my post. Would you mind answering it?
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Haven't had the chance to ask you guys ingame. Last time I saw one of you there he gritted his teeth and questioned my presence amidst his friends.
*sigh* You didn't see me like the day before yesterday?
I was by Harnquist, remember the Klyros with the two claymores?
And it wouldn't have mattered, I'm kinda lost about what the shorterm and middle term goals are, i just help in the present :-)
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What is DC's current status? I mean, short term goals, mid term goals, long term goals, activeness, diplomacy, etc.
Some short/mid term goals would be to complete some organisation stuff, get more members and expand the activity within our clans. Concerning our diplomacy, what do you want to know more precisely?
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I really doubt Phinehas was apologizing to you in this post. That sorry was part of the "No. You must die!" joke thing. I believe the true nature of that post was to make you feel how little he cares about _your_ opinion. That's Phin.
Seeing other posts he made, I figured that out quite easily, was just playing allong.
What is DC's current status? I mean, short term goals, mid term goals, long term goals, activeness, diplomacy, etc. Haven't had the chance to ask you guys ingame. Last time I saw one of you there he gritted his teeth and questioned my presence amidst his friends.
Seems my fellow Guild members are already taking care of your questions.
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Diplomacy as in who do you consider a menance, who do you think supports you, that sort of thing.
I don't remember seeing the Klyros with two claymores with the Dragon tag. And how can you help on the present, if you don't know your goals?
Thanks for the answer on the short term/mid term goals, Rioth. What about the long term goals?
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Our long term goals are to be a pillar of support of Yliakum and to retrieve our lost legacy.
We don't really consider anyone as a menace for now. As for support, while we have some good relations all around Yliakum, we have no true alliance with anyone at the moment.
Edit: Oh also..
And how can you help on the present, if you don't know your goals?
By completing given tasks for instance? Even though Ky (or other of our members for that matter) don't know word for word our goals, they all know what they have to do, and they do it most perfectly.
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I see. But wouldn't the task you give him have to do with your goals? Else, why would you send him on errands that would not have to do with what you want to accomplish? Unless members of his rank have to be distracted until allowed to work on that matter. And if the task he does have nothing to do with your goals, then his "help" is not really help, since it does not push the guild forward to its goals, but simply a way of keeping himself busy with something.
Or maybe he simply is not curious enough to question what he does, and therefore, even after acting to achieve "more organization, members, expanded activity within the clans and the quest for fame and glory" he does not keep track of it in his mind. May happen.
Or he is left with management duties, like providing, crafting, hunting or guarding. That would have been a good answer.
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Wow. This thread has really taken a nose dive. Can the arguing please stay in PM's and let them use this thread to promote thier guild?
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I consider my questions pertinent, as they help myself and whoever reads this thread to know about the Dragon Council's goals, diplomacy and what matter of tasks their members practise. If you think "this thread has really taken a nosedive" you should post the reasons why you think so and avoid filling it with yet another useless post.
I believe my post may contribute to DC's promotion a great deal better than your just did. My questions serve a criticizing purpose and while they may sound rather sharp, they do not reflect any negative feelings towards the DC, as I barely possess those. I actually believe the DC has done some good things for the community, if it makes you more relieved. And a guild thread is for discussing guild issues.
Should Rioth or any other of his guild consider my posts unfitting, do PM me as I will surely cease to post in this thread if they so wish.
I would still like to see a reply to my previous thread though.
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But, in my opinion, if people want to join the guild and see lots of members and non members arguing about the guild...etc.. It may, put them off?
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This is not a silly argument. It's a discussion about some of their qualities. Newcomers should know about them and then decide if they do or do not wish to join. And the rest of us should improve our image on their guild as well, as questions like these should help us expand our original concept of the guild. And if in the end it puts newcomers off, then it's because they do not like the guild's traits. So they look for something else that fits them. In that case, aren't we doing the right thing?
The description of the guild's forum says "Guilds Creation, Advertizing, Discussion." And that is what I usually do around here. And it is what I was attempting to do, but you intervened. Now I find myself discussing the "Guild Forum" in the wrong place. Next time PM someone if you think that person is not being correct in the forum. Else you will drag the person into further messing the guild thread with pointless chatter in order to defend itself publicly (since that was the source of the affront). Something I wouldn't need to do if I was sure useless posts were deleted.
This is not a place to pat your friend's in the back and say good luck. You do that ingame. Here we try to improve PS's guilds through posts and threads. I still hope I can get a DC to Reply #312 after all this.
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I see. But wouldn't the task you give him have to do with your goals? Else, why would you send him on errands that would not have to do with what you want to accomplish? Unless members of his rank have to be distracted until allowed to work on that matter. And if the task he does have nothing to do with your goals, then his "help" is not really help, since it does not push the guild forward to its goals, but simply a way of keeping himself busy with something.
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Or he is left with management duties, like providing, crafting, hunting or guarding. That would have been a good answer.
Of course the tasks we give to our members have to do with our goals. At least most of them, as some are given for entertainment purposes only, but then again, those would be thought in accordance to the needs of our guild, so it would have to do with our goals. We don't need to distract our members from some matters, since they have enough things to do (like management duties or other kind of tasks) according to their ranks, and those things will always contribute, even if slightly, to the achievement of our goals.
Or maybe he simply is not curious enough to question what he does, and therefore, even after acting to achieve "more organization, members, expanded activity within the clans and the quest for fame and glory" he does not keep track of it in his mind. May happen.
This may happen, but then again, I'd say that our members know what they are doing and why, since we inform them of the purposes of the tasks we give them.
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I'm talking about when you talked to the Klyros with the two claymores, i was around there, and it was kinda hard not to notice me...
but i guess you did, o well.
I see. But wouldn't the task you give him have to do with your goals? Else, why would you send him on errands that would not have to do with what you want to accomplish? Unless members of his rank have to be distracted until allowed to work on that matter. And if the task he does have nothing to do with your goals, then his "help" is not really help, since it does not push the guild forward to its goals, but simply a way of keeping himself busy with something.
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Or he is left with management duties, like providing, crafting, hunting or guarding. That would have been a good answer.
Of course the tasks we give to our members have to do with our goals. At least most of them, as some are given for entertainment purposes only, but then again, those would be thought in accordance to the needs of our guild, so it would have to do with our goals. We don't need to distract our members from some matters, since they have enough things to do (like management duties or other kind of tasks) according to their ranks, and those things will always contribute, even if slightly, to the achievement of our goals.
This may happen, but then again, I'd say that our members know what they are doing and why, since we inform them of the purposes of the tasks we give them.
Yes, they do let us know what our purposes are, again, what i said in my last post, we know what we are doing when we do it.
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Thank you for the information. So Kymizer is simply light headed.
We can therefore conclude that your short term and mid goal terms are of a maintenance nature, that you strive to grow powerful and have influence on Yliakum, you are diplomatically neutral and your members are allowed to know what their actions in the guild contribute for.
So you basicly didn't change your status, in these matters, in the last months.
EDIT: Corrected Kymizer's name. Sorry about that, won't happen again.
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Lord Rioth was away for a while, so we didn't get much done, because we didn't really have the leadership for it, and yeah, contact with Rioth then was basicly impossible. Lets just say he had a bunch to catch up to when he got back
And i'm KYMIZER, KY, OR KYZER, call me one of those please...not Kyimizer...i can't even pronounce that. And about me being lightheaded...well...litterally i am, i'm a blonde, so that makes the color of my head light. But thats about it, and i hope you got that comment from my picks, and not about how I act. That would be a little on the flaming side.
And i corrected myself, because i was confused about what you were asking.
are you sarcastic alot Sangwa, i'm just asking, not being sarcastic myself...i havn't gotten to know much people around here yet..
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From my observations of the Dragon Council, their primary diplomatic priorities are:
i) To ensure the survival of the guild.
ii) To ensure that the good name of the guild stays good.
iii) To minimize public awareness of personal conflicts between guild members.
iv) To destabilize percieved enemies of the guild.
To say that they're neutral is essentially correct. As long as you don't do anything to cross the Dragon Council or make them feel threatened, you can get along just fine with them.
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are you sarcastic alot Sangwa, i'm just asking, not being sarcastic myself...i havn't gotten to know much people around here yet..
No, he's not. Trust me on this one. Sangwa is one of the nicest people you'll meet in PS.
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No, he's not. Trust me on this one. Sangwa is one of the nicest people you'll meet in PS.
Of course, Phinehas isn't sarcastic at all.
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No, he's not. Trust me on this one. Sangwa is one of the nicest people you'll meet in PS.
Of course, Phinehas isn't sarcastic at all.
:P
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That's what I meant, obviously. He is not sarcastic, you can take my word as someone who would know sarcasm when he sees it.
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Hey! How do I or can I join the Dragon Council? :-\ I am new but I am a quick learner and I am looking for a guild and I thought this one might be cool. :lol:
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If you're looking to join, you have two possibilities. Either register on our forums (http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/phpBB2/) (using your ingame name if possible) and post in the application area (http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=55&sid=baba8114ca6ad9f20e33c52e2af6ed84") after having read our application rules (http://thedragoncouncil.free.fr/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=679"), or else, find one of us ingame (preferably a Dragon Chaser or higher) and ask about joining the guild.
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OK THANX! Im looking over the website now and printing out all of the important information! I will most lickly use the application forum tommorow. ;D :)
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Ok! I have looked over everything in the page about the guild but I have only one question about the ranks of the Guild. If you mentor thinks your ready to go on but you dont think you should or you just dont want to yet then can you say NO or do you half to advance the ranks.
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You don't need to.. It's up to you. Let's rather say that when you are a Dragon Sibling, or a Dragon Spirit, no one is going to push you to chose your Clan or your House. We're here to give you advices. If you're looking for more informations, just ask directly on our forums since you registered there.
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Ok...I have put in my Application! It is under kingmanic12 username in the application fourums.
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Welcome to our guild my friend ;)
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Its amazing how the guild is growing, there has been at least 3 applications since I applied.
Yay for Dragon Council! \o/
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A good guild shall atract people ;)
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A good guild shall atract people ;)
Not necessarily.
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Depends on what you think a good guild should be. In my opinion a guild can not be a good guild if there are no people that want to join it.
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Not necessarily true. Just because a guild is good, doesn't mean people flock to it. Take Ashes for example. There are/were a lot of awesome guilds out there that never got more than ten active players at once.
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The Dark Empire has plenty of quality: We have a nice strutuce, a great background with the setting, good resources and fine members. However we do not attract many people. Mainly because most new players wish to be berserkers, zealots or rich and the Empire requires patience, ambition and cunning.
The Ashes was also a good example, like Phinehas said. It didn't attracted much people, but it was one of the most splendid guilds I have seen. It had an original structure and a brilliant content.
Still getting many applications is a great sign. Means some people are interested and that the guild is growing.
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First of please do read my post.
Phinehas I said it was my opinion and so it obviously is true that that is my opinion. You might disagree with it but it is true that it is my opinion.
Also I didn't say the best guild should get the most applicants. I said if you can't convince some people to join it can't be a good guild
What a good guild is is all matter of opinion. In my opinion a guild that dies out because it couldn't get members may have several very good points, but obviously it has one big flaw that makes it impossible to call it good. It apparently didn't work the way it was made and I think everyone agrees that one of the requirements of a guild is that it does work.
Obviously it is only one part of several things that need to be good to be qualified as a good guild as a guild can also be placed on my bad guilds list even if it has more members then anyone else, but in the end without new members a guild might work for a while but is doomed to be blown away. A good guild in my opinion again is among other things a guild that lasts to see members leave and others to fill the holes and surpass those that left.
Isn't the DE an example of this? Isn't part of what makes it great the proof that the guild can survive?
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A good guild attracts good players aswell.
And it all depends on your definition of good.
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I think evil guilds attract players aswell...
I believe an interesting guild attracts players, and being interesting is a large part of being good.
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Yup. And if you get members it means you're interesting. Or it means you mass recruit, but I think this is not currently something the Dragon Council does.
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I think evil guilds attract players aswell...
Funny ;)
hmm well if one massrecruits aparently you have something interesting aswell. Just some discusion on if people should join for those reasons ;)
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Not necessarily true. Just because a guild is good, doesn't mean people flock to it. Take Ashes for example. There are/were a lot of awesome guilds out there that never got more than ten active players at once.
Ya I know! :! :D...I came to this guild well like I said in my application...I was interested in something with dragons and also saw council and since there werent many guilds about dragons around I picked this one :! :D ;D
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3800/smileysew9.gif)
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Grrr... There aren't any dragons in PS! They don't exist! No one's ever heard of them! Argh!
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A good guild shall atract people ;)
Not necessarily.
This is true. The Guild Knights had over 150 players or so before we disbanded, but I would not say that it was a "better" guild than the Explorers, Knowledge Seekers, Crystal Warriors, Twin Blades of Arete, Dark Empire, and so on.
As a side note: The Dragon Council professes to be good, but I still say that this is a matter of opinion.
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Ya we all know! :D Most of us are neutrally aligned and some good aligned so really its a Neutral Guild but we serioucly wish there was a land of dragons in PS:! :D But alas there are not :( >:( ??? Well some of us wish there were@
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3800/smileysew9.gif)
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Ya we all know! :D Most of us are neutrally aligned and some good aligned so really its a Neutral Guild but we serioucly wish there was a land of dragons in PS:! :D But alas there are not :( >:( ???
(http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/3800/smileysew9.gif)
... No. I mean that some people percieve the Dragon Council to be evil.
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Well ok let them think that cuz 1: Its not true 2: We dont exactly care cuz we are a guild just like everyone else. 3: They should check our guild site why it will show its a good guild and other guilds can be evil and they think there good. So really there is no way to tell good from bad guilds. It all depends on the people in it. ;)
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Wow. I can tell someone's probably the best RPer I've ever seen. Perhaps Rioth should be warned about who's "defending" his guild...
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Whats an RPer? is that Roleplayer? And why tell Roith? [really i dont care i just want to know why!] Im glad he accepted me so i will defend the guild ok...is that a big deal?
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Well ok let them think that cuz 1: Its not true 2: We dont exactly care cuz we are a guild just like everyone else. 3: They should check our guild site why it will show its a good guild and other guilds can be evil and they think there good. So really there is no way to tell good from bad guilds. It all depends on the people in it. ;)
One way to tell is by the tactics a guild chooses to use in times of conflict.
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Whats an RPer? is that Roleplayer? And why tell Roith? [really i dont care i just want to know why!] Im glad he accepted me so i will defend the guild ok...is that a big deal?
Yes, it's a role-player. And defend the guild all you want, but you're giving it a bad image.
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How am i giving it a bad image? Im not meaning too.
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Hey cut it out Meonere.. We're here to discuss things, not to jump on everyone making a comment :) Let's talk it out by our forums ;)
Grrr... There aren't any dragons in PS! They don't exist! No one's ever heard of them! Argh!
Who said there were? :innocent:
As a side note: The Dragon Council professes to be good, but I still say that this is a matter of opinion.
Neutral.. But PS doesn't have an alignement system anyway. And yeah, I guess that's the case because just as you say, people have different opinions as to what is 'Good' and what is 'Evil'.
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Sorry guys! Forgive me I'm just a bit..um...territorial. Since I'm in the guild I dont want anyone saying anything bad about it. SORRY, and im sorry for jumping on people. I'll try and stop. :-X
By the way Phinehas. What do you mean when you said "defending"? ??? oh wait you ment giving it a bad image. :whoops:...nevermind
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... No. I mean that some people percieve the Dragon Council to be evil.
/me scratches his head... "Evil, does it mean that we behave badly ? But what is the definition of bad and good in our world ?"
/me waits for gods answers and leaves.
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... No. I mean that some people percieve the Dragon Council to be evil.
/me scratches his head... "Evil, does it mean that we behave badly ? But what is the definition of bad and good in our world ?"
/me waits for gods answers and leaves.
I'm not sure if your post is IC or OOC. I would like to know which it is before I respond to it.
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/me giggles
* Beladoor waits for gods answers and leaves.
You think he ment you with that Zanzi? ;)
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You think he ment you with that Zanzi? ;)
There are some people who IC see my character as a god. That's a different issue though.
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Grrr... There aren't any dragons in PS! They don't exist! No one's ever heard of them! Argh!
This is an issue that has been talked about (too) many times.
Did you ever see the flying creature named Caracas (Death Realm)?
It does resemble a "dragon-lilke" creature ;)
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To this day, i've only seen like 4 Dragon council members....
Where are all of you guys?
It seems like a great guild, i just hope everyones active.
Looking forward to seeing you all in game.
~~Datruth
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Grrr... There aren't any dragons in PS! They don't exist! No one's ever heard of them! Argh!
This is an issue that has been talked about (too) many times.
And so you woke this thread up to discuss it again? Verrrry intelligent. Seems that I need to speak with Rioth about some thigs...
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Phinehas, what would you have them do to correct it?
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To correct what? If you mean their usage of dragons, then I don't know. They knew from the very start what they were doing, and lots of people posted saying it wasn't a great idea and that they should try something else. They didn't. I doubt that they want to now, either.
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From opening post.
The Arrival
It was only the beginning of spring... Well an Yliakumen spring, but still a spring... There were not many things troubling the peaceful and quiet life of Yliakum\'s inhabitants. Last fall\'s harvest hadn\'t been very good, but it was enough for everyone to live on. So it was really unexpected to see, one of those sunny morning, such a mass of people coming from the Stone Labyrinth. What was even more surprising was that those people seemed to wish to settle in one town or another. Well it\'s what they thought.
So as you see they came from a different place [world], so there world, might well have Dragons, docent mean we have them here, and they are not saying we do.
IT is there actions as a guild that counts, I for one have a lot of respect for this guild.
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This has already all been discussed, and I have no desire to span Rioth's thread, again.
However, allow me to point out that I could then introduce pop-tarts and coke to Yliakum, saying that my character had heard of them from some other world that he travelled from. I will say nothing more on this subject unless one of the members of the guild instigates.
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Add the fact that it's supposed to be that people haven't entered Yliakum from beyond the Bronze Doors for something like 600 years...
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Well besides the name, the Dragon Council guild is very respectable in my books. They have great role-players in their guild that I have had the pleasure of role-playing with. They have made a great system for their guild, posted a great deal of history about themselves and have been around as long as I have known ps. Though they are not around 24/7 I have seen dragon council members around and of course the guild is some what active. The only compliant I have seen about them time and time again is their guild name. If the guild name was to change a GM would have been instructed to do it by now. Obviously it is being accepted. Though I can understand the confusion the name can bring we are also thinking in RL terms. It is possible in Yliakum language that a word like dragon does exsist but it just doesn't mean the same to the "Yliakum language" as it does in "RL language."
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That excuse is stretching it somewhat Zorbels.
Also, I would like to point out that I, too, have nothing against this guild except its name. Not yet, at least...
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Well besides the name, the Dragon Council guild is very respectable in my books. They have great role-players in their guild that I have had the pleasure of role-playing with. They have made a great system for their guild, posted a great deal of history about themselves and have been around as long as I have known ps. Though they are not around 24/7 I have seen dragon council members around and of course the guild is some what active. The only compliant I have seen about them time and time again is their guild name. If the guild name was to change a GM would have been instructed to do it by now. Obviously it is being accepted. Though I can understand the confusion the name can bring we are also thinking in RL terms. It is possible in Yliakum language that a word like dragon does exsist but it just doesn't mean the same to the "Yliakum language" as it does in "RL language."
Actually, Zayek did change their name (way back when) but they made such a stink about it that Zayek changed the name back.
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Actually, Zayek did change their name (way back when) but they made such a stink about it that Zayek changed the name back.
Interesting Zanzibar. Well then, case closed ... the majority won out. The players of PS spoke out and we should respect it. :D Thanks for posting that fact though Zanzibar, I actually had no clue.
/me check marks the "learn something new every day" off of her things to do list.
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Mmm, this discussion, again.. X-/
Anyway, yeah,
Looking forward to seeing you all in game.
Looking to see you ingame too Datruth :innocent:
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That excuse is stretching it somewhat Zorbels.
It isn't an excuse Phinehas and it is logical ... at least from my point of view. :) I am just using my imagination and not focused on mixing real life with game life. It can also be true if people let it.
@Rioth: And it will happen again and again and again. Did I mention it will happen again? Your guild name is an easy target because of the naming policy. We all know how picky some can be. Not that that is a bad thing, just irritating when same old, same old is brought up especially if you have been apart of the discussions prior to the new one.
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It may be an easy target ... but when addressed (and who did start it last time? we didn't), it will be answered by one of us ;)
And yes, we aren't online 24 hours a day, but we are there when needed (eh Rioth?).
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And yes, we aren't online 24 hours a day, but we are there when needed (eh Rioth?).
Perfectly right my friend.
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Or you could just play the game for fun whenever you feel like it. ???
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All I can say is that there have never been dragons on Earth but that has not stopped them from being invented here.
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All I can say is that there have never been dragons on Earth but that has not stopped them from being invented here.
Dragons exist in our folklore. They do not exist in the lore of PS. And no, we aren't allowed to invent anything. Everything must be from within the settings 100% or else it's OOC and therefore a bannable offense.
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You might want to learn more about REAL DRAGONS that really did exist here on earth
A superb find proving dragons did exist and were not just a myth.
They flew and use firery breath for defence
http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/
Thank You Discorvery Channel and Animal Planet !!!
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Um... that is a special on fake dragons. Not real ones.
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If you watched it , as it was on TV a while back, you would know that they found a frozen dragon that they were able to study. Dragons are no longer a myth they are fact.
Hence the title:
Dragons - A Fantasy Made Real
It's a great show for any dragon lover!
I found it to be very informative and well done.
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Do you have a picture of it or something?
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THe discovery channel is full of pseudo-science. If this was as factual as you say I think wikipedia would not say "Recently, the Discovery Channel ran a programme titled Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real. The programme tries to look at plausible scientific explanations to assume a "what if" scenario, putting various theories and portraying dragons as if they had existed"
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Since you don't give any specifics, and that television show is primarily fabrication, then I must assume you mean the "crowned" tyrannosaurus rex, Guanlong, that was discovered recently in China. That is just a new specimen of a *known* species of dinosaur. A fine specimen, but the only thing new about it is the bony crown on its head.
The "Frozen Dragon" you mentioned is from that "documentary"... they make pseudo-science look so good these days...
"The Animal Channel (part of the Discovery Network) produced an interesting show, called Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real. Dragons provides a faux documentary that shows scientists discovering a frozen dragon carcass in a cave high in the mountains. Inside the cave scientists also find the bodies of several 15th-century humans. As the Dragons show reminds us several times during the show -- Dragons have been recorded in nearly every single human culture. Even cultures that did not have contact with one another like the Aztecs and Inuit Eskimos. "
http://www.sciencenewsblog.com/dinosaurs/
Notice the phrase *faux documentary*? They even tell you it is fake in the title "Dragons - A Fantasy Made Real". It is a fabrication. And I did watch it when it was on the cable. It was fun fake science. But that is all it was. Sorry.
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Must you burst my bubble? I still do belive in dragons. They may not have breathed fire though, since if you ask me, thats the only unrealistic part. Other then that I see no reason why they can't/didn't exist.
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Besides, you know, anatomy :D
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Dragons could have been aliens just like the gods...
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You might want to learn more about REAL DRAGONS that really did exist here on earth
A superb find proving dragons did exist and were not just a myth.
They flew and use firery breath for defence
http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/
Thank You Discorvery Channel and Animal Planet !!!
I will quote from that very link:
""Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real" imagines dragons as real animals"
""Dragons: A Fantasy Made Real" envisions how these mythical animals would have evolved into a number of different species though the ages and around the globe."
So yeah, looks like you took the program too seriously :P It says nothing about them finding dragon fossils or frozen dragons or anything. The closest there would have been is a type of Dinosaur. Don't you think it would have been headline news if someone had discovered a Dragon? :P
And the title.... Fantasy made real. Like.. made by humans... not actually real.
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Sorry. I hate superstition AND televison. Now that Bilbous has brought up von Daniken, it is time for me to go...
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But then theres a possibilty that a terredactyl or a pterosaur developed another set of limbs, and somehow evolved the ability to breathe fire. If they do still exist (if they ever existed,) they are doing a darn good job of hiding themselves.....
Edit: Also, wyvern dragons do resemble early birds....
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Having decided not to go, Eldoth holds his Ornated Pin of Blinding Bubble Bursting at the ready...
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OK, well maybe I did take it too seriously.
But I do not need proof of their existance as I have always known they did exist and no one can convince me they did not. They are in lore across the world.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433367/usercomments
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The references appear in the Bible because the old Latin word for serpent was dracon. You removed your "and the Bible" reference after I posted, Runic.
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I think that it is possible that some form of dragon could have existed. Their body form resembles that of a dinosaur. As for breathing fire... http://www.epsrc.ac.uk/PressReleases/BeetlesCouldProveAHitWithTheAircraftIndustry.htm
'The bombardier beetle defends itself by squirting predators (ants, frogs, spiders) with a high-pressure jet of boiling liquid in a rapid-fire action called pulse combustion.'
It could happen...
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Any sufficiently advance technology looks like godlike powers was all I was saying. Perhaps God was the Atlantean lizard people who left earth at the dawn of man. :surrender:
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If you watched it , as it was on TV a while back, you would know that they found a frozen dragon that they were able to study. Dragons are no longer a myth they are fact.
Hence the title:
Dragons - A Fantasy Made Real
It's a great show for any dragon lover!
I found it to be very informative and well done.
The story about a frozen dragon was made up for the documentary. It never actually happened.
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Ok, now I'm just being very curious at how my thread went off topic like that. So yeah, maybe you can talk of your shows somewhere else? ::|
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Ok, now I'm just being very curious at how my thread went off topic like that. So yeah, maybe you can talk of your shows somewhere else? ::|
Don't worry, it's all on topic even if it doesn't seem that way from the last few posts.
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Hey Guys!
How are ya all :)
:surrender: Dont hurt me for being away so long :sweatdrop:
:D
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Hey Croco! Good to see you around ;)
Now, what to do with you.. :devil:
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Hey Croco... \\o//
Good to have you back :D
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Hey Croco! Good to see you around ;)
Now, what to do with you.. :devil:
Oooo :s Please be nice :)
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*pokes the Dragon Council*
Are there still members around still breathing? Or should we start concidering this in need of some necromancy? :devil:
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We're still around - if less on PS than what we used to. At the moment we are settling ourselves on NWN. For those looking for us ingame, Lorac is one of our active members on PS at the moment, and is mostly in charge there.
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*pokes the Dragon Council*
Are there still members around still breathing? Or should we start concidering this in need of some necromancy? :devil:
Indeed We are infact still alive
Actually we are starting to grow again
So keep your eyes open you might actually see a dragon ;)
See you ingame
Once ingame is possable again /me laughing softly
keep up the Great work Game Devs
these withdraws are harsh
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We're still around - if less on PS than what we used to. At the moment we are settling ourselves on NWN. For those looking for us ingame, Lorac is one of our active members on PS at the moment, and is mostly in charge there.
/me Looks at Lord Rioth with a beaming smile
Thank you for the responce I was away ( Reformating machine)
Indeed If there is anything I can assist in please let me know
As For mentioned before
we are growing again.
with new blood and with new blood comes new experiences :)
The Dragons will not become only a myth :)
Again thank you for your inquiry of our well being
and Remeber keep your eyes open or you might just miss a Dragon hehe
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Although people have not hear from the Dragon Council for a long time, i can tell you that the Dragon Council is still existing and allive.
From time to time we are still around ingame to see the changes ingame.
I am still one of them. :)
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From what I've seen, I doubt the Dragon Council is existing and alive...
I also doubt that dragons are existing and alive... Are you going to rename the guild? You really should.
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Dragon is a family, not a creature. Also, this is a really old guild.
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Lame excuse. They could've at least took out a letter, and it would still sound kewlio (Dagon, Ragon, Drago)... But whatever.
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Dragon Council: The most ridiculed name in PS :P
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This has been discussed more then once, but there is no reason to rename the guild.
I am also not the owner of the Guild.
Maybe the name will change a bit in the future, but surely not for now.
The Dragon Council was a well known guild in the past, like many others.
And you say there are not dragons existing, but i am not so sure about it.
Take a close at many loadingscreens and the main screen of PS.
Anyway it has been discussed many times and i don't mix myself in it anymore.
Besides being a member of this guild I have been myself one of the well known Game Masters of Planeshift for a few years (not long ago), but most likely many don't know that or don't recall that anymore.
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I remember the Dragon Council... I still see Rioth on MSN sometimes.
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And you say there are not dragons existing, but i am not so sure about it.
That's nice. I am so sure of it, though. For one, it is a well known fact that the settings team of the past has openly stated that there will be no dragons and secondly, try to get Xillix interested in dragons. Really. Try. I need a laugh :P
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I remember the Dragon Council... I still see Rioth on MSN sometimes.
Correct, Rioth is the leader of the Dragon Council.
The Dragon Council is still existing, but not visible to the public in PS.
The Dragon Council was already existing, when Xillix was still a player and the Guildname got approvel from the team that was in charge of Planeshift back then.
Currently the Dragon Council is more interested in an another game, with lesser lag.
Most of the Dragon Council members are playing NeverWinter Nights on a dedicated server and check PS form time to time, to see if things are improved.
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Man its been a long time since I have been to these forums...quite unfortunate to see my old guild is not as active or non-exsistent anymore :(...any DC'ers still out there?
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Dragon may be a title rather than a species, like in Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time books. There, the central Character is known as Dragon, even though there are no "dragons" in that world.
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After a long time the Dragon Council is slowly returning to Planeshift.
Our former leader Rioth is no longer in Planeshift and asked me in the past to lead the Dragon Council.
Technical problems from my side are resolved and i am playing Planeshift from some time allready with my old friend and new members.
The Dragon Council is officially back now and allive.
There is a new website and TDC-forum under construction and will be introduced, when it's ready to launch.
I hope to see and meet you all ingame.
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wb
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The presence of The Dragon Council in PlaneShift has come to an end on january 8, 2014.
To all our friends we say "Thanks for all the fun and friendship over the years".
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One last time for old takes sake then...
What's a dragon?
:flowers:
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If dragons on earth may be based on the Komodo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon), dragons in Yliakum may have their base animals too for the adventurers who get easily afraid of the unknown and the bards who exaggerate their tales more and more each time they are told, so that not even the encyclopedia in Jayose's library will reveal that it was just e.g. an Ogoro.
Maybe the base lies even in tales told from the home worlds.
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One last time for old takes sake then...
What's a dragon?
:flowers:
Bad ... performing necromancy like that. :)
They're snakes with wings and legs - but no feathers.
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Old habbits die hard it seems.
Dragon comes from the Dragon Family.
All details are in the first postings ;)
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But still one is around ;D